Can you show the message you get when you try to cast it?

Life Magic is a minor portion of your casting formula, working essentially like Melee or Ranged Mastery skills. For Bear Strength you're looking at the average of your Utility and Augmentation as the major skill input.

-Armifer
"Perinthia's astronomers are faced with a difficult choice. Either they must admit that all their calculations were wrong ... or else they must reveal that the order of the gods is reflected exactly in the city of monsters." - Italo Calvino

>>Would be nice to know the specifics. Is that something we are not supposed to know?

The exact formula is NDA and has a decent RNG involved beside. But that said DISCERN is usually great except for edge cases, and Elanthipedia is almost always on the mark for basic requirements.

Essentially: If your relevant casting skill & primary magic skill equal the number shown on Elanthipedia, you should be able to min-cast it, albeit if you're riding the utter edge of your ability the RNG will make it sometimes work sometimes not. If your primary magic skill is higher (which can often be the case) it will give you a slight, but not particularly significant, boost in terms of effective skill.

In practice, except in some edge cases that the skill was meant for, you should ignore what your primary magic skill is telling you and focus instead of the specialty skills for determining if you can cast a spell.

-Armifer
"Perinthia's astronomers are faced with a difficult choice. Either they must admit that all their calculations were wrong ... or else they must reveal that the order of the gods is reflected exactly in the city of monsters." - Italo Calvino

Armifer does Cheetah Swiftness use the same magic skills?

Blufalcon

Just to expand on this:
I'd like to add data for the extreme other side of casting, where you 'sort of' maximize BES (Bear Strength)

Stats:

Life Magic: 800
Augmentation: 800
Utility: 600


Max cast of BES is 20 mana.

If we were to rewrite Forestwalker's Boon into something different, would there be any interest whatsoever in keeping the current animal calming as a secondary effect? Or is it never useful?

GM Grejuva

I don't really see Rangers as needing a calm on critters type ability. What if instead, it became a ritual spell that restored some of your ranger bonus? If you're already at cap, it'll give you better than natural buff (think invigorated for ranger bonus). Every day use would see this as a static buff or a chainable spell to recover after you've been in town long enough for memory of nature to not save you.

>I don't really see Rangers as needing a calm on critters type ability.
How much material harvesting do you do in critter areas as a Ranger? Combat3.0 makes it very annoying when a sub 90 rank critter can land blows on me with >900 evasion/shield. Rangers sorely lack bulk crowd-control and AOE damage mechanics. Sure a no-combat effect is not super useful all the time, but it has a niche that can't be filled with BOON or other Ranger mechanics right now.

>What if instead, it became a ritual spell that restored some of your ranger bonus?
Beseech Elanthia To Transfer works well for me. Though I could see that the timer is pretty long and so a spell might be useful to some folks. Given how precious development resources are however, I would of course rather that Transfer be looked at and the timer adjusted instead of a spell made to fix bonus.

~Hunter Hanryu
>You know how map makers use to be "Here be dragons"? Old DR code is like that. Except instead of dragons there are Lovecraftian horrors made out of well-intentioned psuedo-code.~Raesh

I've already proposed a new effect for Boon; I'm just pondering whether the existing effect should stay too or no. I'm inclined toward keeping it in with a little added syntax.

There's an add-on spell slated for Awaken Forest, and I'll be closely looking over the base spell as I implement it. As far as I know, AF was intended to become a defensive/tanky pet, which might cover the "distract creatures while I gather stuff" niche.

>>you could turn it into a scouting buff

Wolf Scent?

GM Grejuva

>would there be any interest whatsoever in keeping the current animal calming as a secondary effect? Or is it never useful?

Never useful. If I need to get out, I pop a blend. I'm with Hanryu in that I don't have Awaken Forest or Forest Walkers Boon. At the moment, keeping 8 unused slots is preferable to learning those spells.

Any hints on what the "something different" you've proposed is?

Jalika

To save everyone some time, I just did a quick search.

Here's what I see:

1. Spawn Generator
2. Emergency exit (aka fir familiar drag when stunned or stun everyone else nearby)
3. Charisma buff.
4. TM / Debil buff.

I think a pulsing calm effect would hinder 1 and 4. It would probably make sense with #2, and be mildly annoying with #3.

I'd rather have the full primary effect than decrease potency at all and add a not so useful secondary effect.

Jalika

I never use Forestwalker's Boon. I tried it when it first came out and to me it's a useless spell. Maybe if the thing it summoned would actually fight at our current skill level in our highest melee weapon, it might actually be useful as and emergency escape or to keep things off of us while harvest either lumber of ore while mining.

Bluefalcon