<<<...beseech the wind to preserve. Minimum align is not 25 it is 30,>>>-Charlize

Spoken with such authority. Has it occured to you that with some rangers the minimum might be 25 and with others it might be 30?

I KNOW "my" minimum is 25 because I did some tests while teaching a horse for 2 hours. For me, there was no difference in preservation time between a 25 beseech and a 40 beseech. I even used a control piece of meat that was unpreserved to see if any changes happened in unpreserved meats.

Now if it's 30 for you, you should be asking "why am I seeing a difference?" rather than unilaterally declaring "25 is not the number." Or have you forgotten that spells "grow with us?" Why cannot a beseech do the same? But there could be other factors, too.

If it's one thing I've learned in this game...if you speak as an absolute authority with hard numbers (like 30 vs 25) for all players, you're gonna get smacked down and embarrased at some point. That's why car manufacturers print "Your mileage may vary." I can only say that mine was 25 for that day under those circumstances...it could be that in a more urban area or if my attunement with nature isn't pristine, I have to pump in more spirit points. Heck, anyone check time of day and year? Probably not.

Yesterday, someone asked me IG, point-blank, how many ranks it took to remove a bloodworm. I tried to work out an answer that was truly correct, but in an RP setting...because I suspect ALL of the following are contributing factors for ranger sucess...mech, skinning, first aid, bonus, animal lore AND (possibly) an IG puzzle/secret.

But that person wanted a 'hard' first aid number and was getting increasing irate that I couldn't give one. My first aid skill was irrelevant to the answer, because these critters, for the most part, are 'beneath' me (especially if I'm right about the puzzle). That person stormed off before I could mention any of my research in the area. Their loss for not sitting still and RPing it out.

Hard number 'absolutes' are the BANE of RPing. I'd fully expect GMs to routinely throw in curve balls. For instance, as far as charisma and animal lore, have you cross-referenced your assertions by race? I haven't, I don't think anyone has stepped forward with that type of data, either. So who can say with absolute certainty that those wolf "reqs" do not vary by player race (animalistic races receiving a bonus or penalty)...or maybe more animal lore compensates for low charisma and visa versa? The best things in cases like that is to label the 'reqs' as approximate guidelines and move on...

Anyway, I'm not writing this to tick you off...just to wise you up that all is not as it appears when you quote a hard number anymore. And my guess is that as GMs start to fully employ formulas with multiple skill/race/guild factors, it's going to get damn near impossible to understand why some people can create something at a given rank...and others can't.

But it will make for some interesting RP, so skoal! (Swedish equivalent of Have Fun!)

Shendorian
("Most people are about as happy as they make up their minds to be."--A. Lincoln)

25 is the magic number for me as well.

Dulcinia

Shendorian, this still isn;t the right place for this. Take it ovver to "Spells and Beseeches", it has nothing to do with roleplaying.

Either that or ... do we still have a "Ranger Web Pages" folder?

~~~Krin

>>Sylvado>>You wouldn't think to doubt a statement that I made, would you?

Oops, heh. Not doubted, just must have missed it while reading in a hurry.

~~~Krin