I hope you realize that you're completely torpedoing any inclination Kodius has to consider your interests.

Kodius is heavily data-driven. The fact that you decided to pout like a child when he asked for Rangers to join in on the testing isn't going to help your cause.

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>>Ya, because me pointing out the reason why rangers havent been involved, is the reason rangers arent involved.

You're not going to get a new toy on every trip to the store. Sometimes we've got to just go and buy the things we need to run the house. 3.1's magic review seems to be one of those times for rangers.

>>I could equally have said nothing, and we would have the same result. No one doing or saying anything.

There would have been one less steaming pile in Kodius's 'why should I keep spending my free time on these people...' column.

>>Anytime anyone says anything that could remotely offend a GM, we have the carebear squad roll in to the rescue.

They realize that the GMs are volunteers.

>>And..... The ranger folder will remain dead.

Calling people morons and carebears isn't going to revive it.

>>I could equally have said nothing, and we would have the same result.

Not really, because it was explicitly your negative whine sob response of woe that did what it did.

A non-response would have just been a non-response, and could have been chalked up to anything.

>>Anytime anyone says anything that could remotely offend a GM, we have the carebear squad roll in to the rescue. And..... The ranger folder will remain dead.

Oh yes, I never argue with GMs ever. This is a fact that is in the history books due to how accurate it is. Your idiotic attitude definitely has nothing to do with anything being dead or not.

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<<AKA Moron>>

that had to sting




Also i'm sure your guild sucks but I remember the day you guys got branch break and WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE LETS BB RAGRAN

IT DOESNT HURT ANYMORE IM OVER IT OKAY SO JUST PLEASE STOP

Jesus compost piles really do attract flies...



Kodius would you mind reposting your question in a different folder? Having it buried in the compost pile while ironic given the threads topic probably wont get very many helpful responses.

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You want to know what I think I meant or what I actually meant... how about that the thread received more posts by unique people(ie not just the same people posting again and again) in 12 hours than the entire Ranger section in the last month+.


But if you wanted to blow up... um you smell bad? Though it isn't surprising considering your hanging around a compost pile.


Tev is there a thread you won't stick your nose in or do you have some kind of posting condition similar to Tourettes.

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So the answer is no for the first half of my question and yes for the second half, gotcha.

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Kodius, I'm sure as a GM you know all the stuff you want tested and think we all know that too, but in my case (and I suspect a few others) we don't. You dip your hand into so many folders (combat, armor, what not). Would you mind telling us what you would like tested? (posted this in responses but don't know where you will look so...). We aren't fighting OVER testing, we are fighting over Falker's doomsday approach. (But we love you still, Falker and you Arctuniol!).

See, Kodius, ranger guild has a whole range of folks in it. Some of us are real anti-social, don't go into town unless I'm dying kind of folks. Heh, I once knew a ranger (way back when and haven't seen him in years) who actually was a hunting lodge manager in the boonies of Canada who during the winter months, when the lodge was cut off, would power up his computer by bicycle power, canoe down river for supplies and ski doo the supplies back to the cabin. That's an extreme but goes to show you huh? So if you think it is hard to get us to test, know that it is harder to get us to hold the Naked Ranger Race and we actually LIKE doing that.

Please don't give up on us. If you hang with us, we will turn around.

Zinaca and her full-grown raccoon, Shadow

PS Zinaca dusts off her leather-fringe pom poms and ponders cheerleading for the guild again, glances at Purnay and runs like hell

We haven't even been to the store so we wouldn't know what a new toy is.

Arct

>>I hope you realize that you're completely torpedoing any inclination Kodius has to consider your interests.

To be honest, I kind of agree with Falk. For one, he was only merely commenting on the line about "ranger folders being dead." And his conclusion is actually pretty accurate. The reason anything becomes dormant like this, is because people have lost the actual trust/faith their comments matter, or that something will actually happen.

The rangers have gone through at least 2-3 GMs, and many years, with pretty nearly no development. For many years we have heard GMs say to suggest things. But the same things happen...they seem to fall on deaf ears. No one has really carried our torch since Jent. Our folders are filled with suggestions dating back years of ideas, with nothing actually changing. And the changes that do happen have all merely been essentially nerfs. So yes, it does make it kind of hard to get excited. It's kind of a cry wolf effect.

Even now, most of the changes taking place are things to get Ranger's integrated in and working well with the new systems and mechanics taking place. I don't know how much of it is, "these guys haven't been inspired for years. They need a little love to keep that heart pumping."

That being said, I'd be glad to check over things and suggest changes and make comments on stuff. But I don't know if I can/will hold my breath for them. It's just one of those things that just needs to be kept in mind. The client being dealt with here, is one who's hasn't seen something actually come through in years. So while we all do appreciate you looking at and trying things Kodius, the past hasn't been very reinforcing.

~Van

>>So while we all do appreciate you looking at and trying things Kodius, the past hasn't been very reinforcing.

Too bad. GM is disappoint.

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"I have no data yet. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts."
- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Sherlock Holmes

My point was more that each guild has had tough times of poor development. Clerics, for example, spent 5-10 years as little more than rejuve and rezz monkeys, when a GM responsible for running the game flat out said they would never, ever, have a TM spell that effected the living. Empaths spent 15 years as healbots, unable to infringe on the living without shock, which wasn't really removable so you were just done with that char.

I could go on. So no, Rangers don't get any special sympathy from me. They haven't really had the worst end of the stick ever in DR history as so many seem to claim. Have they had it rough? Sure. Most guilds have.

>and my question is, why don't we rangers have that as we use life mana and undead kinda upsets us

Undead and life mana do not work that way in DR, is the simple answer. I'd suggest researching it. Or posting in the magic folders about it for a detailed explanation.

And honest to god, did you just cite trader caravans as development for that guild?

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Well I figure as life mana users we would be upset over necros undead flunkies since they aren't life. Just an opinion.

As for caravans, I mean the ride on the top of design your own caravan, carry your caravan all over the place. As for shops, they used to use tent and now have shops which I think is better for high end traders. I wish the lower end traders would use tent so those who don't have rich folks could buy stuff at decent prices.

As for someone feeling we rangers haven't suffered enough, well that's a matter of opinion but hesitation on our part to embrace GMs working with us was kinda shredded by Sithix's work or not work on companions and then his departure. So we get in a rut. GMs ask for ideas (there should be a library of them somewhere--didn't Edhala leave one) anyway GM asks for ideas, we give ideas, much posting and hope, GM leaves or prevented to work on whatever it was. Over and over and see why we are reticent?

Still work is work, and I appreciate GM attention and hope (I'm everhopeful) we get new stuff.

Zinaca and her baby wolf, Lucky

>>but hesitation on our part to embrace GMs

There's a difference between being hesitant and openly cynical.

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>> they and their magic and abilities are not any more geared towards combating it than say, a barbarian.

Hear that? Caraamon said it's just like barbarian magic and abilities. He admitted Barbarians know magic. AGAIN.

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Caraamon and everyone else, I didn't make myself clear. I am well aware of life mana and life and screwed up life like undead. I and I suspect a few of the rangers are opposed to necros and undead because we see and understand the purity of life all around us in nature. So yes, I was speaking philosophically but that is no reason rangers couldn't get allotted a few or even one really good spell against undead. Perhaps the spell wouldn't destroy the undead as a cleric's spell would (I would expect the holy spell to work more damage) but perhaps the spell could weaken the undead as the memory of pure life were shown to them?? Just a thought.

Think of nature being infected by the necros and their rituals and undead and rangers who desire to heal nature and kick undead butt.

Zinaca and her baby wolf, Lucky who was smart enough to see a necro and ran like hell

>Think of nature being infected by the necros and their rituals and undead and rangers who desire to heal nature and kick undead butt.

This is not, and never has been, how undeath and life-magic work in DR. In most settings, 'life' power is anathema to undead. But in most settings, so is holy.

In DR, undead is simply a twist of life, not anathema to it. It is a simple facet of life mana, rather than being the opposite. Your argument, in DR's lore, is akin to saying 'My fire magic should do more damage to the fire elemental because it's a different color'.

In DR, undeath is the anathema of the holy. So holy mana gets bonus damage and fun spells.

Rangers did have plague of scavengers at one point. If I'm remembering correctly, it only effected corporeal undead? Not regular living, not cursed or constructed beings. Just flesh, normal, undead, like zombies. Because that's roughly what life mana could do, is attack the flesh, same as a WM with fire magic, or a MM with self-immolation accidentally catching someone else in their pyre.

And if all that's correct, that is, generally, a complete waste of a spell slot in my opinion.

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>>KROONERMANREVENGE

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Krooner ain't birthin no babbies.

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