I'll go ahead and mention that if someone is found to be abusing it, you should stop, because you'll end up with warnings and will probably lose your ability to remove people as well.

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NaOH+HI

>>I'm sad that it doesn't even tell you who ordered the removal.

My guess is that if someone is harassing people in the guild, the last thing you then want to do is tell them who made them stop (since it encourages future harassment toward that person).

That said, even if you're not told who did it I would be extremely surprised if GMs can't see who did it. So if you let the GMs know "person A B and C were removed unfairly and it's pretty annoying" a GM could see who is responsible and respond accordingly.

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Uzmam! The Chairman will NOT be pleased to know you're trying to build outside of approved zones. I'd hate for you to be charged the taxes needed to have this place re-zoned. Head for the manor if you're feeling creative.

It would also be nice to not be randomly assaulted by people trying to disrupt people they suspect of scripting.



Artilius reveals himself.
Artilius roars and draws his arms back. A dark, transparent blue glow ripples down his arms, crackling with the muted growl of a bear as it shapes itself into two large claws.
Artilius lashes out with both arms, sending a concussive wave of blue force outwards all around him!
The wave of blue force blasts you backwards, and you collapse in an ungainly heap!
Roundtime: 4 sec.
Xxxxx is blasted backwards, collapsing into a heap on the ground!
Xxxxx is blasted backwards, but maintains his footing.
Xxxxx is blasted backwards, collapsing into a heap on the ground!
Xxxxx is blasted backwards, collapsing into a heap on the ground!
Xxxxx is blasted backwards, collapsing into a heap on the ground!

The bluish energy forming the claws disperses into the air after the attack.
Artilius's actions quickly stir up a ruckus in the area, as annoyed citizens quickly move out of the way. One mentions to his friend that he's off to report Artilius for disturbing the peace.



> profile artil

Name: Artilius Mehath'hhs'mhhg
Spouse: No Info
Roleplay Stance: None
PvP Stance: Closed

Assist, not report. And stay in the queue until you're answered. Staff needs to be told about people doing this.

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NaOH+HI

>>How is casting spells any different than a necro summoning a construct. They do that at the guild too.

The issue is casting an offensive spells while having a Closed PvP profile. There is a reason Necros can not be set to Closed, and this is an example why.

>>CLOSED - This setting indicates that you prefer to do everything you can to avoid PVP.

Artilius attacking a room full of people because he felt like it does not seem like he wants to avoid PvP, and as such the GM's should know about it so they can set his PvP profile accordingly if he continues to act like that.

Wouldn't casting that spell give consent to all the people it affected and they could attack regardless of his PVP stance?

If he wants to avoid PvP by all means (Closed), then why is he attacking a room full of people that probably couldn't kill him?

>TBH, I suspect whoever is doing this is doing it in an attempt to get rid of the afk problem the ranger guild has so I'm torn on the issue.

Report is the acceptable tool for this. The GMs can penalize players more.

If that's not sufficient, then perhaps the vigilantes are simply doing the GM's jobs for them.

Rule in the past has always been that you don't need a reason for removal. It's not your guildhall, you don't have a right to be there. Requiring reasons is a step down a bit of a slippery slope, because then you get into arguments about which reasons are good enough reasons and on and on. (If this is happening to Rangers, that's another matter, but I thought the ability to remove other Rangers got removed years ago.)

If they're using it to police AFKers, that sucks because they should really just be reporting the person and letting it get handled that way. That said, I know firsthand that isn't the only reason they're removing people; they also seem to be harassing anyone they aren't friends with, and they're goading and lying to multiple people into assisting with doing it, such as by telling people the person being removed was picking pockets when they weren't.

I don't think that necessarily justifies OOC reprisals under policy though it may justify having their ability to remove people taken away ICly for a time and perhaps being banned from the area themselves.

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Thayet
@thayelf // http://thayette.tumblr.com

"But you must know that if corruption is powerful enough, it's not corruption at all — it's law. Unspoken, unwritten, but law." — Robert Jackson Bennett, City of Stairs

Well it's worth noting that we were told in here that assist is the channel for dealing with this behavior in this thread, then in game told that there's no problem with this behavior, so there's a bit of a disjoint message here.

Per DR-ANNWYL, I have been asked not to post a transcript of my assist. Here's the rest of my post (with a summary):



I was removed from the ranger's guild a few days ago, with 27 more to go. There has been a clear pattern of repeated removals with no discussion or explanation. I'm very unhappy with this.

I did an assist in-game and the GM's response was that many actions can annoy people, so I should ask the room before doing anything. I've never seen anyone ask the room before braiding or collecting (and yes, I kick my piles and put detritus in the bucket/bin). Frankly, there are a hundred things that could annoy someone, and it seems silly to suggest I should ask every person in the room before doing anything. The other suggestion from the GM was that I just go somewhere else. There is nothing they can do about the removal and I have to wait out the 27 days.

> Is there some way that you being denied access to the Rangers guild is giving you a mechanical disadvantage? Are you a Ranger?

I'm pretty sure the issue is that to even get back there they had someone let them in, but regardless of the invite any Ranger can get them kicked out and there has been someone kicking anyone they can out just because they can without apparent reasons.

I'm pretty sure they got removed from the public area of the Ranger guild. I was removed from the guild in this manner around the time that this thread started for no reason, also. I was actually having a conversation with someone when I was removed and I had only been there for a few minutes before it happened. So the person/people doing are not doing it to stop AFKing or annoying behavior. They are just doing it to annoy people IMO.

There are a few problems with the code for removal that I identified and will be fixing. As for the reported abuse, staff is following up.

Here's how removal should work:
* Cannot remove Rangers.
* Ranger over 100th can remove someone alone.
* Two Rangers over 25th circle can remove someone together.

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NaOH+HI

I know this is late to the party... but last I checked two 100+ rangers could remove another ranger

~Purnay
"The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his."