ok so let me preface this by saying that my skinning is 20 ranks ahead of my bow, 60 ranks behind my evasion, even with my defending, about 50 ranks ahead of my shield, 20 ranks ahead of my armor, and about 50 ranks behind my stealth...

I'm currently hunting apes, everything except my skinning is locked... I tried arrange all (failed at skinning with no exp from it) I tried no arranging, barely got it moving, and tried arranging it once and that seemed to move it the most)right now skinning is at 6/32. can we possibly uptweak skinning? the last time it was tweaked that i know of was before new combat where you killed critters faster, and I know the intent of this new combat was for it to take longer to kill a critter. anyone else having this issue?

~Purnay
"The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his."

Same here, for me to lock skinning, I have to hunt hours more than I can manage right now. Feel your pain Purnay, as you are more skilled than I and it must be a bitch to train.

Zinaca and her fully-grown raccoon, Shadow who hides behind Zina's shroud in case Purnay's wolf comes by

As a survival tert, I have the same issue. I cannot IMAGINE how bad it is for primes. My condolences.

this is just after the handholds. before the rope. In young gryphons.

stance
You are currently using 10% of your evasion skill.
You are currently using 100% of your shield block skill.
You are currently using 50% of your weapon parry skill.

Skinning: 695 44% analyzing (18/34)

Asterid

and to prove im learning.


Skinning: 695 57.90% engaged (22/34) one gryphon later

Asterid

It is possible that it comes from he is way way underhunting? I can lock skinning in young gryphons with 568 in skinning while I'm working my lower weapons. I tend to be killing them quite quickly so it adds up.

has to be really underhunting... when i drop from apes to basi's I still can't lock, and all I do in there is kill as fast as I can and skin with arrange all. while i can't lock skinning as fast as my defenses, weapons, magics, or anything else I train while hunting, it so far is staying at least just ahead of my primary weapon.

~Purnay
"The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his."

This was in adult and elder gryphons just now. And I am not sure I am underhunting as I still learn my primary weapon there. Just locked longbow.

Asterid

PS Not sure what my hunting level is nowadays. I also hunt storm bulls. Can do the same thing in there.

Three hits per kill on average. Also, hes probably got a few hundred more ranks then me as well as a bigger pool to fill.

Asterid

It definitely isn't fast for me to do it, but by the time I lock my 2HE, HE, HT, and polearm it's atleast to 24/34. I'll try to get some more firm numbers next time I'm up there. 568 is my skinning though. Oh and I'm killing pretty quickly, and using arrange all.

Went into elders completely clear and nothing in my bundle. This is with pulses too. Gained maybe 6% or 7% from pulses.

You flip through the lumpy bundle and find 23 skins in it.

Locked my primary weapon - longbow in that time. So don't think I'm underhunting.

Skinning: 696 46% very engaged (23/34)

Asterid

So I haven't really done much hunting of critters at level but with over 200 in skinning somehow I can get to 8-10/34 by rapid killing and fully arranging goblins for bones. (training carving up) I'm not sure how they are training my skinning... they are just goblins after all, but they are training it. Same with eels when I'm trying to get eel skins for tailoring. I'd imagine that I would eventually lock it but I only need so many sets of bones/skins.

Scarith

<<I found the only way to lock skinning seems to be step back down to something you can properly use arrange all on. Arrange all seems better than arrange 5. At skinning 200 i found the best way to mind lock skinning for me personally was to go skin piruti serpents.

Arranging x 5 > arrange all. This has been stated before and was added to make farming hides/skins/bones easier if that's all you were going after. I'd have to look for the post but I believe Kodius stated arrange all was = to arranging 2-3 times but you get the effect of 5 at a lower RT.

As far as learning skinning currently, best way I've found is find something you can't skin perfectly slap up HOL then go to town. Sadly, until it gets a bit more evened out it takes a bit to lock skinning. As most people have said you can normally lock 3-4 weapons before you lock skinning.

<<Is Arrange x 5 better, after counting in the additional time it takes over arrange all, when it comes to trying to lock it? Obviously, if it's taking you longer to arrange, more pulses are occuring per mob(s) killed.>>

For me, it seems that arrange all is the way to go. The reduction in RT for that VS arrangex5 seems to lock me faster. (No hard data, just a feel that I get.) I know that arrangex5 teaches better per arrange. But for arrangex5 the RT is 25 VS arrange all's 5 Rt. Keep in mind I always have HOL up unless I always get perfect skins without using it.

Bluefalcon

Well, with people saying it feels like, or they think this and all the other opinions on the difference between arranging 5 times or using arrange all, I went ahead and learned Leather Tanning Expertise to test, even though I was happy taking the GM's word that arranging 5 times trains better than arrange all.

In my tests, I started with skinning clear, did the test, then waited till I was clear again. I used no spells. Each test where I actually skinned I used the same belt worn skinning knife. My bonus pool for survival is off. I remained uninjured throughout the tests.

First tests arrange 5x-no skinning.

Start	End	Difference
524.7637	524.7665	0.0028
524.7665	524.7693	0.0028
524.7693	524.7721	0.0028
524.7721	524.775	0.0029
524.775	524.7778	0.0028

Second tests arrange all-no skinning.

Start	End	Difference
524.7778	524.7787	0.0009
524.7787	524.7796	0.0009
524.7796	524.7805	0.0009
524.7805	524.7815	0.001
524.7815	524.7824	0.0009

Looks to me that comparing arrange x5 and arrange all, arrange x5 has 3 times the experience at only 2 times the round time.

I went further with my testing to compare total experience including skinning. There appears to be no difference in experience in the skinning action itself after subtracting what would be the gain from the arranging.

Third tests arrange x5-with skinning.

Start	End	Difference
524.7824	524.7891	0.0067
524.7891	524.7958	0.0067
524.7958	524.8025	0.0067
524.8025	524.8092	0.0067
524.8092	524.816	0.0068

Fourth tests arrange all-with skinning.

Start	End	Difference
524.816	524.8208	0.0048
524.8208	524.8256	0.0048
524.8256	524.8304	0.0048
524.8304	524.8352	0.0048
524.8352	524.84	0.0048

So, my conclusion. Arrange x5 trains more than arrange all, just like the GMs said. Now, its up to you to decide whether the extra 5 seconds is worth the experience that it nets you over arrange all.

Your experiences may very depending on what you are hunting. I just needed to throw some actual testing in here instead of "What it feels like to me".