>>From what I remember reading about elves, they are supposed to be stronger and have more stamina than a regular human.<<

Though i'm not completely caught up on DR history or Lore.. in everything else i've ever read in every other Fantasy world/realm.... elves are weaker and have less endurance then Humans, but they are much more agile, charismatic and graceful.

Hark

>>Where did you read this? Was it written by an Elf, perchance? <<

Were you referring to me or the orginal poster? (would help if you quoted what you're replyin' to).

Hark

No, Elves are, on average, physically weaker and frailer than Humans. Of course there are exceptions.

~ Celestian Kougen Aensworth

>>>>elves are weaker and have less endurance then Humans, but they are much more agile, charismatic and graceful.<<<<

also more intelligent as well...least the ol AD&D elves were...i personally dont have a problem with the stat of elves or how much it costs to raise em...

now this elves growin beards thing,we might need to have a few words about.....

Izzit

Actually there are several different types of elves and most of them that i've read they are not weaker than humans. Check your D&D sources and maybe you'll see that there are more to it to elves than making cookies in trees or toys for santa.

Just make a new race called Muscular Elves, and you can then go and reroll to join them. It was made painstakingly clear that you modifiers and guild primary/secondary/tertiary abilities are both set in stone. Your argument may hold factual info, but you choose a weaker version elf when you went into DR. I just wanted to be known as shorter than a human, so I picked elothean. Heh, I choose my character for height, funny huh? Anyhow, I don't mind a bit, my strength and stamina are pretty sweet and I'm makin' it. The harder you push against your penalties, the less company you will be in. Ultimate uniqueness. Strong elothean. <g>

-Zakarious, aware of that really high level elothean barb who could pick me up with his pinky and deck me. <g> But still...

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Are you serious? I was certain that the figuring said they were shorter way back when. Ah well...

So much for that. I'm short, appear weak but am not so much so, and nimble. That's what I thought anyhow, when I picked. Ah well, heights range. <g>

-Zakarious, short Storm Mage <chortle>

>>I would never say that Elves are weak. Heh.

I would. Elves are weak! ::glances at Veldehar::

::runs away screaming like a little girl::

what other bonus's?

they aren't talking about the + and - to tdp spending that all races have

they are talking about the burden penalty/bonus that some races have beyond the strength and stamina stat

i'm pretty sure there are no other bonus/penalty's like that set up anywhere else but if there is i'd like to know :)

>>I'm too lazy and my connection's too slow to check for sure, but I believe that all the +/- on the stat bonuses evens out to within a point of 0. And the one's that don't even out are probably due to an abundance or lack there of on a single stat (ex. +3 STR, or -3 STAM).

All even out except for Togs (even Gnomes with their +3 to strength and +2 to stamina). We've been told in the distant past that Togs' inequality in stats was due to their encumbrance bonus. It's getting looked at now and hopefully will get fixed, so it's all a moot point at the moment. ::shrugs::