>>I remember a post way back listing the weapon types and ranged wasnt 1 of them. Besides, the bow wont be touching the critters it will be the bolts.

Well I made my DSX my holy weapon so hopefully it works(granted it wont matter much if I can't figure out where the recharge site is.

I thought it'd be really neat to have a ranged holy weapon with the changes to RW coming up(with the ranged skill increase and whatever).

If it doesn't end up working out though, that'll probably be pretty lame.

>>When your praying to Chadatru make sure you use pray chadatru. I've noticed that pray chad doesnt work for me.


I guess I really have no clue how to recharge my holy weapon, I thought it was just 'trace renew <weapon>' while you were at a recharge site? What is this 'pray chadatru' you speak of?


-Landros

Well, the crossbow still works normally when hunting non-evil/undead things, but I dont think there is even any undead stuff on Riss/Kresh to test it on.

I'll give it a shot when I come to Xing and post my results then.


-Landros

Landros: Never went on the quest so I can't help you bud. I doubt a ranged weapon (bow/xbow) will work. But, let us know.


Madigan

When soldiers have been baptized in the fire of a battle-field, they have all one rank in my eyes.
Napoleon Bonaparte

Yea, my HX definately doesn't work as a HW. I was able to charge the weapon, it just didn't do anything special when I attacked an undead.

I'm not sure it really matters, it doesn't sound like anybody actually uses their holy weapon, maybe I wouldn't have either, but hey at least it might have been cool if it did work.

Maybe we could get a GM to fix the quest so it isn't so buggy, and to make it so you couldn't put stuff on the altar that doesn't actually work as a HW(the last part of the quest).

Its hard not to be cynical.


-Landros

Holiness trumps bless, the higher your circle and charisma the more this becomes evident. I've been meaning to do some testing over in plat, maybe I can provide some numbers "soon".

For the record, I've only run out of charges once, and that was when I was trying to run out of charges. I find the thing massively useful.

<< To clarify with the icon. It will recharge to about half or so of the full power potential and that is the cap. Using the icon again does not give more holiness to the weapon. I get a larger charge at an altar. Also, if you use your icon when your weapon has a full charge, you loose holiness back down to the icon's cap. I hope that is more clear. >>

Half charge is still far better then going far to get a full charge. At decent circles the number of charges is enough that half is still very good. If I had an icon I would certainly use my holy weapon 20 times more then I do now.

Of course being able to do renew without an altar or icon would be ideal, or simply making holiness permanent. But I accept we have to have a downside to our HW and the GMs are not going to give us an "I win" button sort of thing. THe present situation is silly though and dates back to the guild vs guild days when Raph implemented HW, its the only way the cleric guild would allow it. We are long past those days and the holy icons were introduced to fix the HW limitations. Are the perfect? Perhaps not, but they are something, they are coded and they are ready, yet the vast majority of us have been waiting years for them. If the holdup is someone needs to code some guess the syntax quest for it? Fine. I would really like to hear from current GMs what the plan is though, perhaps the icon route is being abandoned? Perhaps they want to do something other then a quest to give us icons? It would certainly be nice to hear that something or anything is being considered. Since HW first came out this has been my number one issue, I personally feel HW should be our major perk and be usable as such, Raph had a great idea when he implemented it but it was nerfed by things irrelevent today, lets make it was it was intended to be then.

>Of course being able to do renew without an altar or icon would be ideal, or simply making holiness permanent. But I accept we have to have a downside to our HW and the GMs are not going to give us an "I win" button sort of thing.

There are plenty of downsides. Only really useful against undead, can't use it at all against other players (oops, i accidentally pulled the wrong sword out when that thief attacked me, and now my soul is melted kinda thing).

>Have the GM's said that charges are here to stay, little/no chance of changing that? If they haven't what about tying it to our soul state, like brawling does. If your soul state is pristine, top end like brawling requires, then your weapon is holy, or you can trace the renewal glyph, but don't need to be at a "special" location. Possibly, if another balance is required, make it so that some down time is needed. Keep the 5 minutes of meditaion for example, just make it so you can do it anywhere. Just a couple questions and ideas, what do you guys think?

I like the idea of HW power being tied to soul like brawling is. If that won't fly, I like the idea of Glyph of Refresh being usable anytime, anywhere. Give it a soul cost comparable to light (and then lower light's cost, because it is way too high).

<<A few things...

Charisma and Circle have the biggest effects on Holy weapon... and Holy weapon is a "Bless-like" bonus... but also effects ANY type of opponent...

There are levels of soul that allow for Holy weapon to be as strong as the strongest type of bless... maybe more.

You can exceed 500 strikes with your holy weapon per charge eventually if you choose to train Charisma.

You can use your Holy weapon against ANY opponent... even in PvP.

Holy weapon ties into Footman's strike.

Holy weapon is bonded to you and noone can steal it from you. (except certain special creatures)

You can even change your Holy weapon although it will destroy the previous.

All of this for what? making it to 50th and succeeding in a quest... good deal I say.

Oh and you gain soul for preparing to use the glyph of renewal.>>


You can use it during PvP? I thought it damaged/destroyed the holy weapon if you did so. And I'd never heard it affected anything but the same type of creatures that bless did. You sure about these points?



DRPrime - Celeres Turrance

<<You can use it during PvP? I thought it damaged/destroyed the holy weapon if you did so. And I'd never heard it affected anything but the same type of creatures that bless did. You sure about these points?>>

Yeah, killed people with it and it's fine. Works on all creatures and players alike.


-Mr. Glemm

<<Is that something that was changed at some point?>>

I think so. It might have been changed around the same time the weapon was changed so that it didn't "Extinguish" when you used up all it's charges.


-Mr. Glemm

Yeah- the quest text hasn't been updated at all to reflect the changes. It was the case when holy weapon first came out, but not now.


-Mr. Glemm

>> Did the quest at 50, enjoyed it until I got owned at the end. Came back around 56 and finished it, it was still a challenge, but was fun none the less.

Did you use a CJ?

---

Rev. Reene

With a flick of your wrist you stealthily unsheathe some slim pants into your right hand.

I had a 2HE CJ and I THINK maybe a prediction on... Shield? And I survived fine and dandy at 50. Of course, I also trained a lot of other skills for TDPs, so had, I think, reasonably good stats for my circle at the time. I do think an extra couple circles worth of training wouldn't have been bad to have though. Wouldn't have needed the CJ or prediction. I do know I over prepared. I heard about hordes of undead, making sure I had blessed weapons.... Yeah, I brought 4 blessed weapons AND made sure I had high enough soul for blessed brawling just to make sure. Didn't even wear out the first blessed weapon :)


DRPrime - Celeres Turrance

1) Can you use a bastard sword as a holy weapon?

yes

2) Can you use an altered weapon as your holy weapon or alter your holy weapon?

yes you can use an altered weapon, not sure on the second part

3) Is there any way to change your holy weapon? (i.e make another weapon holy instead after you've already 'imbued' one)

yes, there's a quest you can do once every RL year to change your holy weapon.


-Mr. Glemm

Thanks much! One last question, not sure if it's a spoiler or whatnot, but what does a holy weapon 'do'? I've read something about blessing it and making it stronger against undead or some such, just wanted a little clarification if it's not too much trouble.

<<Doesn't it only apply the holy weapon to one side and/or make it non swappable though? I've not done the quest myself yet but I thought I remember hearing something about this>>

nah, it works fine both ways.


-Mr. Glemm

>>And it looks cool when it hits.

< You slice a gleaming triple-fullered bastard sword with golden lion quillons at an amalgamated fleshreaper. An amalgamated fleshreaper fails to evade. The sword suddenly cries out "Justice!" as it flares white hot and lands a hard hit that detonates the fleshreaper chest into a shower of splintered ribs.
Shards of bone fly in all directions as an amalgamated fleshreaper crashes to the ground, shattering into a heap of twisted death.

<<who was eating peyote buttons when they came up with this

You don't eat peyote buttons when you play? You're doing it wrong.

IMO, wait until 60th to do the quest. 50th can be kind of harsh from what I understand.


-Mr. Glemm

I believe all of these comments have been mentioned before...



With renew/praying to Chadatru being possible now once every RL hour... the limted charges are much less limited. Charisma and circle weigh in on amount of charges granted as well as power level of the effect... soul state matters too... donno how much for each.

You can use any weapon that doesn't have any special(beyond swap) verbs tied to it already or isn't in itself a "special" weapon. Example: ice blades and mirror weapons and gore weapons. I have heard a gore weapon being able to be holy if gorifi-ed before holified... but can't recall where.

Forged weapons can be made holy... but we were told that if something happened and you lost your holy weapons... and it was decided that "yes indeed it was Simu's fault you lost your weapon" that it would be replaced with a storebought version do to issues with the uniqueness of forged weapons.

Swappables utilizing the verb SWAP are holy in both modes.

Weapon straps don't play nice with Holy weapon. Problems can arrise. Take it easy on GMs and try to avoid tying and untying.

thrown and thrown/swap work as holy.

As of last reported by a ranged weapon holy weapon wielder... The holy effect does not extend to the ammo fired, and therefor makes ranged holy weapons useless for offensive attacks beyond the normal you would have done.

I am unsure whether or not holy weapons will lodge... if they do... that's an easy way
to lose your holy weapon and I don't recomend you try stabbing yours into something that can disapeer... taking the weapon with it. Also consider the construction of your holy weapon... a flimsy blade is a blade prone to breakage.

Currently it is policy that if you lose your holy weapon... you're done. No more holy weapon. Luckily, Paladins don't drop what is in their hands upon death... and if a held item is dropped prior to death it often is drawn back into the Paladin's hand if they self ward/bond upon death. It is possible to get your arm cut off and survive and not notice you left your weapon behind... Be very mindful and alert when using your weapon.

Holy weapon increases both your chance to hit and striking force against undead, both coporeal and non-coporeal. I am not certain how it is effected by "evil" types. Anything you attack will be struck with the visible effect of the holy weapon.(Even other Paladins)

Holy weapons interact with one spell in our arsenal that I am aware of... I do not know if any of our other abilities benefit from our holy weapon being wielded. Actually, I believe that I have noted increases in the power level of the wepaon when smiting. not sure though... its difficult to put yourself in certain ranges of soul-state to test it.

Holy weapons can never be handed(given) to another person... nor can they be picked up by anyone else... even if consented to do so. Most interactions by the non-owner result in the person being stunned.

sure there's more. but that hits on a lot of it.