Forging 101 12/09/2006 04:00 AM CST
Here's a quick copy of the news item:

Want to be able to bend steel to your will? Come listen to Mentor Redarch divulge his tips on the Basics of Forging in the Crossing Paladin Guild Forge, 2pm EST on December 9th. Meet Redarch at the Jadewater Mansion Ivory Room.

Leucius

Never argue with an idiot, they bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
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Re: Forging 101 12/09/2006 04:26 PM CST
Just wanted to thank Redarch for hosting this. My Paladin apologizes for leaving early, but he had to get to the last lecture of Oane's series. Still, I learned a lot from what I saw and look forward to the day that he can actually get some coal without nearly collapsing afterwards!

For you more experiences forgers, Redarch said he's doing a series for you, probably in about two weeks or so. Think I'm gonna have to crash it!


~Thilan
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Re: Forging 101 12/10/2006 12:59 PM CST
Thanks Thilan.

I must confess my first run at a "Basic Forging 101" lecture seems to have been a success.

I'm in the process of scheduling this on a recurring basis with TPTB.

Once we have that nailed down, I will be submitting a request for an "advanced" forging lecture. My thoughts on what to include in that are things like:

Using dust to lower the weight of a mix (pre-dusting rules)
Compression (how 3 items can compress down to 2 items in volume)
Other unusual "bugs" with forge mixes (i.e. how Nickle reacts in a wonky way with pre-dusting)

Any other ideas out there? Things you've heard mentioned about forging but didn't understand/want explained? Now's the time to post your suggestions so I can flesh out the "Advanced" forging lecture and get it submitted for approval.

Redarch
Dwarf with an Axe.. Watch your toes!
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Re: Forging 101 03/22/2007 07:43 PM CDT
I might have an old lecture by Phanton...

If I do you're welcome to use it on your advanced forging lectures..

Have fun!

ex-forger-mentor and still friend ......
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Re: Forging 101 03/22/2007 09:55 PM CDT
Would LOVE to have any of the forging notes that Phanton may have left. You can send it to my play.net addy.. with much thanks.

Redarch
Dwarf with an Axe.. Watch your toes!
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Re: Forging 101 03/30/2007 09:40 PM CDT
Red,

I found my files and I don't have the actual script for the lecture...but I have some 2 years worth of logs.. so it's just a matter of time till I find a log that contains the lecture. I found some other forging notes that might be of some use..as soon as I find the log I'll send you a packet with everything I got.

::starts searching logs again::

Have fun!

ex-mentor-mixer and still lurking around
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Re: Forging 101 03/31/2007 02:22 AM CDT
<<..as soon as I find the log I'll send you a packet with everything I got.


Lucky!


- Paladin Eeary Kakler
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Re: Forging 101 03/31/2007 06:35 AM CDT
quick lesson I gave in case anybody needs some insight

<<<You say, "Ok, so forging is simple"
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You say, "Lessons in armor really don't mean all that much"
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Rohi puts his backpack in his journey pack.
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You say, "after 150-160, you can cap any type of armor"
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You say, "Depending on the mix"
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Rohi nods.

You say, "The mix is what determines the caps of the item"
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You say, "Lighter mixes usually deem lower caps"

Rohi asks, "are the mixes secrets?"
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You say, "Unless done right"
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You say, "No"

You say, "But there is a key formula"

You ask, "Do you know how to calculate end dust?"
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Rohi says, "no I don't"
>'Ok
You say, "Ok"
>
You say, "So to get a "steel" mix."

You say, "which is the disired result"
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Rohi nods.

You say, "you have your mix and end it with dust to make steel"

You say, "a coal dust weighs 2 stones"

You say, "stones"

You say, "and has a .2 volume"

You say, "you want to add 1 dust per every 80 stones"

You say, "or "

You say, ".5 dust per 40 stoens"
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You say, "So let's say you have a mix for a great helm"
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Rohi nods.

You say, "This is a mix you might want to write down, it's one of mine."
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Rohi nods.

You say, "a Great helm has a volume of 4 bars"
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You say, "I'll use 3 iron bars and 1 zinc bar for the mix"

You say, "iron bars weigh 51 stones each"
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Rohi nods.
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You say, "And the zinc bar weighs 48 stones"

You say, "Giving me a total of 201 stones"
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Rohi nods.

You say, "The easiest formula I use to figure out how much I need for my end dust is"

>

You say, "Weight of end dust in stones / weight of mix in stones = .025"

You say, "which is this case is"

You say, "X / 201 = .025"

You say, "The closer you are to .025, the better quality of steel you will get"
>

Rohi nods.

You say, "so"

You say, "if our X is 5"

You say, "we get"

You say, "5 / 201 = .02487"

You say, "Which is extremely close"

Rohi says, "very close"

You say, "X = 5 = 2 and a half coal dust"

You say, "to get a half coal dust"

You say, "BREAK one"

You ask, "That make sense?"
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Rohi says, "got it"
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You say, "Ok, that's just the end dust"

You say, "That's the EASY formula"
>cack
You cackle!

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Rohi says, "i suspected as much"

You say, "The most important formula to remember when using predust is such that {(weight of pre material > weight of dust) < weight of iron}. And that is before you add or calculate any end dust.

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Re: Forging 101 03/31/2007 09:19 AM CDT
^^^^

And all that discussion and math is why I have a spreadsheet to do the calculations for me :)

Item end weight in stone divided by 80 = how many dusts to add at the end of a mix to make steel.

For those interested, I sent my spreadsheet to the person running the Rissan Merchant forging page and they made it available for downloading at:

http://rissanmerchant.homelinux.net:8888/Forge/ArmorCalc.xls

Its a MS Works spreadsheet that should be readable as an Excel spreadsheet. Add in a couple of one type of bar or slug, take out a few others, try various combinations and the spreadsheet will tell you the expected weight of the finished product. If that product is a chain shirt of 5 bars/50 slugs volume, look in the 50 slug weight box and see what to expect. Add coal dusts in the main body and it reduces the weight of the finished product.

I find it quite handy to use when someone comes up and says, I want a chain lorica over 400 stone. You find the volume size of the end item, then adjust the bars and slugs numbers to see if you can attain the weight you seek.

I picked that spreadsheet up off Clynlyn's yahoo forging group years ago and have used it ever since.

Redarch
Dwarf with an Axe.. Watch your toes!
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