By chance did anyone copy down the information on Relayer's site before his site went down.

Just trying to remember the going weight and protection for several different type of armor in all armor classes.

I've been doing some backtraining and was going to try my hand at different items.

- Kurgan

Good day. Before I took my break, there was a discussion on the number of kertig fists to make a full set of plate. I can do the math to determine the "necessary" number to add, but here are my questions (and was the subject of a string of posts some time ago):

1. Has anyone made a set of full plate with fists?

2. Do we have enough information to determine whether a fist actually makes a better suit of plate?

3. Assuming 2 is answered in the positive, do we have enough information to determine how many fists are needed to make a better suit of plate?

At the time, we theorized that it would take at least 3 fists. Obviously it has been a long time since I had this discussion and thanks in advance.


Madigan

The difference between a kertig-alloy suit of plate and a "normal" steel suit would be negligible at best. Furthermore, the cost of acquiring three fists would be ludicrous.

Basically, I'd wait until forging was rewritten and made to make more sense before attempting anything foolish with kertig. ;)

Drongol's Player


PC also stands for "Paying Customer."

>So the current consensus is that kertig is the rare metal best suited for armor?

I didn't say that. I've seen glaes and damite helms/gaunts that are pretty darn sweet. I would add that (so far) kertig fists have the most volume, and even that isn't alot. 4 slugs: not impressive.

>How about for weapons?

Its far cheaper to get higher % [rare metal] in a low volume weapon vs. a high volume armor.

If the consensus a few years ago was 12% or 3 fists... at todays prices (if you don't have any) is 6500+ plat. Is a suit of armor with 6500+ plat? Hell you can almost have a boat for that much.

>>I didn't say that. I've seen glaes and damite helms/gaunts that are pretty darn sweet. I would add that (so far) kertig fists have the most volume, and even that isn't alot. 4 slugs: not impressive.

Don't worry, I wasn't putting words in your mouth, I was just extrapolating from what I was reading here and on other boards. It seems to me that kertig's popularity is due in part to the sheer volume of fists, i.e. a 40 stone fist vs. a 13 stone damite lump, which means that you've got more to work with right off the bat. How do niniam and lumium work as weapons/armor?

Let's put it this way:

You don't need 25 fists to make a set of 100% kertig field plate.

Me and Mordril did it when fists came out (his part was the gold, mine was to make sure the mix was ok) and we found a lot during that session.

After that I mixed some chain shirts with kertig and glaes. They apped like/better than heavy plate armor. While hp protection didn't get SUCH a huge boost. So to everyone who asked me what to make out of their kertig I'd always say make chain armor. Or weapons.

I'm not sure forging still works as it did around 3 years ago, but if it does... I could charge 500 plat and give you a mix to make 100% kertig mix with 1 kertig fist and 1 kertig tear. Or 2 fists.

Have fun!

ex-forger-mentor-friend Phanton. (still reading this stuff) hehe

Nope.

I still have AIM though.. sebastiaandr

Sometimes I go online to chat to DR friends :) Feel free to catch me there for a chat.

Have fun.

Wow, nice to see you around Profesie and good to be back. I am not sure the great/great makes it worth the bang for the buck so to speak. Maybe I'll just sit tight for forging 2.0.

Thanks for the info.


Madigan

Red, I haven't noticed any change...A few months back I remmber making a 240 LC hauberk at fairly sturdy.

Crusader Taghz

Stop Global Warming!!! Eat beef!!!

Red: My chain FF is still fairly low (201) but I get fairly sturdy.




Madigan

Is glowing white hot bad? Is glowing red hot preferred? Read one source stating white hot damaged materials, two other sources said to use white hot, didn't mention any damage.

Does anyone actually make items out of copper, zinc, tin, lead, etc. Or are these all additives to end up with some type of steel?

When making a bastard sword or any other swappable weapon, what Forge Factor does it use? Ie, 2HE FF or HE FF for a bastard sword.

What's the Halberd and Pike and other none category weapon FF equation?
FF=(W1.6)+(MECH.1)

Mixes with higher carbon content are easier?

Is the sabre template HE, or ME, or both depending on volume? I know armor has breaking points, but haven't seen anything about weapons.

Ingots turn into blades for edged weapons. Do they turn into heads for blunts, halberds, pikes?

I know my skills are a bit weak, I don't expect to be able to make anything, and even if I did it probably wouldn't be worth using.

Thanks much for any responses.
Kharm

Everything Drevid said is spot on for armor forging as well.

I would only add:

<<Mixes with higher carbon content are easier?
<<Easier to do what with? for breakage? cracking on the grindstone?

For armor, softer mixes are easier to pound. A soft mix is usually a mix with a lot of dust.



Madigan

When soldiers have been baptized in the fire of a battle-field, they have all one rank in my eyes.
Napoleon Bonaparte

To be honest. Once I stopped getting the message I never gave it another thought. Could be mech, FF, strength, or a number of other things. I can't really say with any certainty. Perhaps someone else knows.


Drevid

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<<You wince as you feel the metal suddenly give way beneath your hammer. Hopefully it is not too badly weakened.

I do not think is is in regard to the metal being less than white hot as I recall getting good pounds with red hot as well..

I do remember getting that message sometimes when I started, so my best guess is that it is mech related. Of course, it could be FF as it has increased faster than my mech.

Maybe not much help..


Sebestyen

<<I try never to let a mix go to white hot, unless it is special metals, then I let it simmer at white hot for a few minutes before pounding. For steel, I seem to break more items that are pounded at white hot than at other temps.

Armor as well? My breakage about doubles if I pound at less than white hot.


Madigan

When soldiers have been baptized in the fire of a battle-field, they have all one rank in my eyes.
Napoleon Bonaparte

> My breakage about doubles if I pound at less than white hot.

~Hanryu Ves'Shomis
http://drplat.com/CombatEquipmentCompendium.xls
Tolle says, "Yup yup, 'bout time. What the heck took you so long?"

At 285 plate FF you can "cap" all accessories. You can "super cap" gauntlets and great helms if you have the right mix. Super cap means great slice protection.

At 285 plate FF you can cap field plate armor and half plate, but at a pretty heavy weight and if you dust the bejibbers out of the stuff.

Sub-200 FF for chain you can cap all accessories but you have to have a dust mix (IMO). If you can cap shirts and hauberks, it would be at a high weight and I think that would be iffy.

If I were you, I would get your basic accessory mixes down for plate and consistently cap plate accessories. Then, I would work on field plate armor and half plate. Once you get closer to 200 FF for chains, I would step into the chain arena.

Just my thoughts and I would be happy to help in whatever way I can.


Madigan

When soldiers have been baptized in the fire of a battle-field, they have all one rank in my eyes.
Napoleon Bonaparte

So how do I figure out what my FF is?


~Silus
Smite first, ask questions later.

You can just go here and it'll do it for you If you don't feel like doing the math

http://dr.six-something.org/ff.php


Drevid

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Does anyone know if a non-pally has ever capped a 3 density mix? My chain factors are creeping up on 500, and I'm still coming up slightly short. I know it takes bookoo ranks even for a pally, but I'm beginning to wonder if it's even possible for a non-pally. Here's the app on what I make; it's looked exactly the same for about the last 170 chain ranks:

The chain hauberk is light chain.

The hauberk looks like it offers protection for the following areas:

right arm
left arm
right leg
left leg
chest
abdomen
back

You feel certain that a chain hauberk appears to impose moderate maneuvering hindrance and moderate stealth hindrance, offering:
good protection and good damage absorption for puncture attacks.
good protection and good damage absorption for slice attacks.
moderate protection and good damage absorption for impact attacks.
moderate protection and good damage absorption for fire attacks.
moderate protection and good damage absorption for cold attacks.
poor protection and good damage absorption for electrical attacks.

If you were only wearing a chain hauberk you could expect your maneuvering to be insignificantly hindered and your stealth to be insignificantly hindered.

You are certain that the chain hauberk is moderately strong, and is in pristine condition.

The chain hauberk is made with metal.
The chain hauberk is fairly flexible.
You are certain that the chain hauberk weighs exactly 240 stones.
You are certain that the chain hauberk is worth exactly 1800 lirums.
Roundtime: 8 seconds.

I know from comparison testing that my physical attack absorptions are just under the highs they should be, but it's still no cigar. To cap an LC hauberk I had to jump to 270 last time I tried it several months ago. Not sure if it's dropped or not any since then.

Thanks in advance.

Kaxis

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