Re: Barbie talk 06/29/2008 10:26 PM CDT
>> Summon the target to an island, to a high cliff/ledge they are unlikely to be able to climb down, to the mud traps of apes, etc, where they are basically alone, cannot escape and I can guarentee one on one combat or very few places they can hide from me.

Which is great until the spell wears off 10 minutes later and sends them right back to where you summoned them from.



Rev. Reene

"And if you should die explainin' how the things that they complain about
Are things they could be changin', who do you think's gonna care?"
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Re: Barbie talk 06/29/2008 10:29 PM CDT
If it takes me 10 minutes to kill them, I picked on the wrong target.
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Re: Barbie talk 06/29/2008 10:34 PM CDT
Just saying if the idea is to strand someone somewhere it doesn't quite work as well as you'd think for that.



Rev. Reene

"And if you should die explainin' how the things that they complain about
Are things they could be changin', who do you think's gonna care?"
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Re: Barbie talk 06/29/2008 10:34 PM CDT
But seriously, what mechanics abuse were you thinking of?
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Re: Barbie talk 06/29/2008 10:36 PM CDT
As for stranding, I agree, but I do not think of RS as well suited for that anyway. Mainly, I think of it as a way to get far from the crowd with someone I want to get alone with for a period of time.
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Re: Barbie talk 06/29/2008 11:18 PM CDT
Generally speaking the thinking goes, if you can get Seer's off on them, why aren't you casting MB or something instead?

Same mentality for Sever Thread actually which is why I don't really use it much at all. If I'm in a position to SET someone I might as well use MB instead and avoid the sorcery charge and/or blowing my arms off.

For mech abuse: RSing anyone out of an area that either you can't get into (due to bans or whatever) or is a safe room is generally considered mechanics abuse. I would love to be able to RS smartasses out of the safe rooms they're convinced makes them immune to an asskicking, but c'est la vie.



Rev. Reene

"And if you should die explainin' how the things that they complain about
Are things they could be changin', who do you think's gonna care?"
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Re: Barbie talk 06/30/2008 09:02 AM CDT
>Rippentrops cant fight on their own, so I am not suprised when ya'll agree with each other and bad mouth everyone you have a problem with.

Who are you talking to? Caelumia is the only Rippentropp replying in this thread. Everyone else is agreeing with each other and badmouthing you because you're a mechanics abusing, lying, wimp of a "Legendary" Moon Mage. Your player refuses to accept the crappiness of his/her character's skills, so you blame everything else you can possibly think of.

I understand that you're just trying to get a rise out of everyone, and I assume that is because you don't get enough attention in real life - but just own up to it so everyone else can go on with their day.


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Re: Barbie talk 06/30/2008 11:43 AM CDT
Let's remember that there is a difference between characters and players. This isn't the place for attacking players and if it continues, the thread will be closed.


~Kheldun




Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.
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Re: Barbie talk 06/30/2008 12:23 PM CDT
I cast burn on your your player!

*Nacho dust covered fat guy was just struck down*

I win DR!


-Serc

"Moon Mages have already been given some of the most ridiculously powerful magic in the game, third only to Warrior Mages and Barbarians" -Armifer
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Re: Barbie talk 07/01/2008 10:33 AM CDT
No report. It's very unsatisfying. It's like killing your wife because she cheated on you; you're still left full of a dark, sickening, poisonous feeling....plus you have to deal with the dating scene all over again.

:oP Ragran
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Re: Barbie talk 07/02/2008 01:58 AM CDT
<<I did tell you to cut it the hell out when you were trying to camp my corpse repeatedly and finally told you to leave me the hell alone and that I wasn't interested in playing anymore after some of the incredibly inappropriate and over the line IMs you sent me so maybe you got confused.

I think you are getting me confused with someone else. Caelumia camps corpses but Stolas does not, normally I just kill someone once and leave it at that. That is barring them sending some people after me ... kind of like Caelumia using Galren or Martyka calling in 4 or 5 people to help her out - not counting the MMs and WMs looking for me. Reene you just got tired of having to look over your shoulder and Stolas killing you when you left safe rooms or didnt have a cleric to cast Benediction or a paladin to Banner for ya.

Reene's memory is a little off because when she asked for a truce with Stolas and Caelumia I agreed as long as she didnt do anything to hurt Stolas. I think that was conviently forgotten when you started locating to help the other Rippentrops hunting me. I thoughtcasted to you reminding you of the fact and of course you couldnt remember that conversation. So, I'll just remind you of that again and if it does slip your mind expect to be summoned.

<<However, you threatening to report people and talking about how they can't do anything because they're not bonded to her...kind of puts a damper on things.

I know that some people cant play by the rules, but to complain about it? Really? I probably should have reported all the people who jumped in after I had consent on Martyka. You can only expect someone who can kill you to let you be caustic, condescending and mean over and over before there are consequences. However, people should also be aware that jumping in to be 3rd man and especially the 9th man involved in a pvp situation against one character might get you into trouble. You know what, none of those people were deterred they all happily jumped in to gang on Stolas. If I wasnt feeling so nice and charitable I would have.

I gave Martyka some chances to realize that things could be resolved in a nonviolent manner but she did not listen and that eventually esculated to her characters death. Right now, I feel that a lot of people have heard a very stilted and one sided account of what happened. I did what I could to be nice instead of just killing someone ... heavens forbid if someone tries to RP instead of just steam roll over people. Oh well, you have the way you play and I have the way I do. Im just sorry we cant see a little more eye to eye and that feelings were hurt. However, for that to happen you probably need to try and compromise and work with your "opponent" instead of calling all your friends and doing everything you can to "win".

Pelag ai Aldam Stolas


Galren says, "Oh you know me Stolas"
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Galren says, "I just love necros"
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Re: Barbie talk 07/02/2008 02:11 AM CDT
>> I think you are getting me confused with someone else. Caelumia camps corpses but Stolas does not, normally I just kill someone once and leave it at that. That is barring them sending some people after me ... kind of like Caelumia using Galren or Martyka calling in 4 or 5 people to help her out - not counting the MMs and WMs looking for me. Reene you just got tired of having to look over your shoulder and Stolas killing you when you left safe rooms or didnt have a cleric to cast Benediction or a paladin to Banner for ya.

This entire paragraph is full of lol for too many reasons to even list.

Instead I'll just reply with this.

http://reene.euphoricsoup.com/galleries/toons/reality.png



Rev. Reene

"And if you should die explainin' how the things that they complain about
Are things they could be changin', who do you think's gonna care?"
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Re: Barbie talk 07/02/2008 08:01 AM CDT
>>That is barring them sending some people after me ... kind of like Caelumia using Galren or Martyka calling in 4 or 5 people to help her out - not counting the MMs and WMs looking for me.

I've never killed you on behalf of Reene. I have killed you for my own amusement though :P

For someone who dies so much you talk a lot of trash.

- Galren

>>The Rippentropps are a mysterious collective of well-known individuals whose primary charge is to initiate the advancing task of not stopping.
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Re: Barbie talk 07/02/2008 03:28 PM CDT
So, since we all just misunderstand...

How did Martyka even come to your attention/grant consent/etc...?

How is clouting you or breaking your gweths, which doesn't require consent except in limited circumstances, "break" the rules?

Nobody treated you like they WANTED to treat you because you put on your "I'M GOING TO REPORT IF YOU STOP ME FROM HARASSING SOMEONE" hat.

If you don't think riftal summoning someone to different hunting grounds 4 or more times and mental blasting them to keep them unconscious is harassment...I don't know how much further you would need to go.

I am --- Navak
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Re: Barbie talk 07/03/2008 04:07 PM CDT
Gosh where do I even start? Stolas and or his player is so delusional about what happened that day, I'm not even sure how to argue any of his points.
First off I guess I would like to say that Marty had gone down to Shard to help promote their Shard reconstruction fund Costume Ball and Date auction. She specificaly brought costume and Ball apparel for the event and even offered to donate a portion of her sales for the next 2 anlaes to the fund. Enter Stolas, Marty waves, says hello as she always does. Next thing I know he's casting something on me. It didnt hurt so i didnt think much of it. I did ask him why he was casting on me. Perhaps this was my grave "consent" giving behavior. Next he accuses me of throwing him out of the market tent. I assume he means in crossings, which is pretty funny since Marty is under 70th, and he is over 100th. Meaning guess what, it cant be done. Not without a second Trader anyhow. reguardless I have never tossed him, nor gained assistance to toss him from the tent. (again delusional.)


He leaves, I (martyka) go about my buisness. I'm chatting it up with a couple shoppers and or friends, and Poof. Hello I'm in shalaswar, and theres one with a black goblin comming after me. This is i assume where Stolas claims he "Just wanted to talk." So, yes with Martys whole whopping 70 ish weapons skill, she ran like a frieghtened little girl. She will admit it, yep she ran. Wouldnt you? She's a lover not a fighter ....

She gweths for help, and Tyx comes and returns her to Shard <3 thank you. (This must be where i called in my friends) So, I'm back in the Shard Traders Market, and yes Marty has a big mouth, she gweths that Shards citizens can thank Stolas for Marty retracting her offer of donating to their cause since their citizens feel its appropriate to pull her out to shalaswar to die. She also gweths, that she will be sure to tell her Trader friends how well Ilithi treats its visiting merchants.

Poof.... This time i find myself in Adanf. A Gleeful Stolas MB's me a few times, yes he did keep critters off me THIS time. Finally i gain conciousness and run, and stumble across Nixieg, who escorts me to the safe spot. From here Celitha escorts me back to the Shard bank where i decide i best deposit some coin, since twice now i've had well over 100 dokoras on Marty's person with these shannanigans. I deposit coins and go back to the Traders Market.

At this point, my friends want to know what in the void is going on, so Kolaisa, and Joshuan, Gheist and a few others begin to have some banter with Stolas. At which Stolas gweths that surely they cant all be bonded to Martyka, and there are consent laws and he will speak to the powers that be. Which whatever was said, really means, its ok for me to attack the wimpy Trader without consent, but if someone who can roast my butt stands up for her, im reporting.

kolaisa goes after Stolas, and I cant report on what happened there, all i can say is he told me Stolas cast at him or on him (Hmmm i think this would be Stolas granting consent to Kolaisa) But then I wasnt there I dont know. At this point Joshuan gwethsmashes Stolas. Stolas then thoughtcasts me that since i asked Joshuan to gwethsmash him (which i didnt) that I am going to pay. (Once again proving that Stolas goes after empaths, Traders and commoners instead of anyone who has a fighting chance)

Poof .... This time i'm in undershard and theres thugs, oh joy! Stolas MB's me a few more times, i again finally gain conciousness and run. Here i should point out at NO time has Stolas attempted any sort of "Talk" unless Prep kick Traders butt is considered conversation. Anyway, Kolaisa tells me to find an empty area in this tearoom in Undershard ( I have no bleeping idea where I am.) Kolaisa comes and rescues me (My hero! <3) and takes me back once again to the Traders Market in shard.

At this point I'm getting pretty annoyed, Noct a moon mage friend casts whatever it is that you need to cast RS on someone, onto me. Plus somewhere in here gave me shards ( i couldnt use them in undershard). Basicly it was so that if i was RS'd again he could RS me back to the Market. I'm pretty annoyed at this point, Stolas is running around inviso or whatever moon mages use. (cluless about magic stuff) He comes back into the Market and casts that whatever it was on me again, renewing the link so he can RS me again. At this point i'm feeling pretty harrassed, and disgusted that basicly because Stolas feels its ok to be a big bully that it should just be allowed, but at the same time noone can really do anything on my behalf, because he will report.

So then, yes you got it RS'd to some gods awful place with some harmless (looking but not so harmless) antelope. Yet again Stolas MB's me .... 5th or 6th physical attack at this point, and 4th RS on his part, meanwhile Marty has done NOTHING to him. But if you ask him, Marty gave him consent. Anyway this time Marty dies. She gets a gate, healed and raised etc and goes back to the Market. At no time did i ever attack him, raise my hands to him, or even speak poorly to him. But whatever

welcome to La La land, population: Stolas.



Martyka
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Re: Barbie talk 07/03/2008 04:19 PM CDT
props for not reporting, martyka.

:oP Ragran
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Re: Barbie talk 07/03/2008 05:28 PM CDT
Stolas seems to wear the special pants on so many occasions! Since we're sharing, I'll pick my favorite two related incidents with my character.

1 - about two months ago:
My character is standing around the Crossing Trader's tent, being her usually charming self and getting into random verbal spars with passing shoppers who can't keep their tongues and/or other body parts to themselves while in public. She and some prydaen got into a back and forth, and, as usual, the lady and her boyfriend walk away after a few minutes of banter. After they leave, my character starts getting threatening thoughtcasts by Stolas. I forget what exactly, but it referenced how she was talking to the prydaen girl. Iggy being how she is, I'm sure that the response back wasn't exactly full of hugs and puppies. He comes by after the fact, throws around some more threats, and starts going on about how Iggy needs to 'learn her lesson'. My character responded with a colorful version of 'shove it' and 'quit sticking your nose into other people's business'. I don't entirely remember what happened after that, but it couldn't have been of much consequence, since no one ended up dead. Stolas left at some point, threats unfulfilled. I bump into him a handful of times in the next week or so and nada comes of it, not even a funny look.


Fast forward to -


2 - a couple of days back:

My character is blissfully reading her compendium for the millionth time between climbing the Crossing walls. Stolas comes out of invis and casts on me. I inquire to a friend in rl about what spell it was and am informed it's the linking spell to be able to use RS. Fun. Iggy asks Stolas if he's lost his mind, he blathers on about her still needing her lesson, and begins chain MBing my character, who only manages a few additional comments about Stolas's degenerated mental health between her naps. Stolas takes a dirt nap courtesy of Iggy's wife (<3 Seb), and my character encourages him to enjoy his reflective time before going about her business again. A few minutes later, my character is AGAIN reading her compendium, and gets summoned into pale grey death spirits. Stolas immediately MBs her, and Iggy goes splat (Thanks Kolasia and Taghz for the dragging). Iggy's wife again gives Stolas a time out for not keeping his spells to himself. Since then, he's been repeatedly locating Seb and not doing anything else (for whatever crazy purpose, because it's not like she's been hiding in safe rooms. Say hi to your sect hall for me Stolas!).

So yeah, bizarre. He started spouting off about 'bonding' right after the first time Seb killed him for attacking Iggy (and hey, guess what, we are! Sorry to disappoint) which I guess was implying a consent argument / possible report if we hadn't been. Funny how I never said anything to him about the unconsented attacks on my character, or the mech abuse of RSing her then MBing her for the wildlife to kill. Guess it must be nice to be able to policy play against those known for not reporting, eh, Stolas?
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Re: Barbie talk 07/03/2008 05:30 PM CDT
>>Martyka

I think the consent was given by being of a mind to not report. That's all the consent anyone needs, amirite?

~Zaktraw
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Re: Barbie talk 07/03/2008 06:19 PM CDT
>>welcome to La La land, population: Stolas.<<

Why would anyone want to hurt Marty?


- Terra
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"Bards..." Selinthesa suddenly starts upon seeing you. "...are the best profession in the lands. We have instruments, powerful voices, area ranging enchantes, AND if we choose to, we can fight."
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Re: Barbie talk 07/03/2008 06:24 PM CDT
>> Why would anyone want to hurt Marty?

She's a Rippentropp and this thrusts upon a person certain sentiments that have been created and perpetuated by our detractors.

I'll also point out that even if Marty did remove Stolas from a market tent, kicking someone out of an area isn't consent in the first place, so good job operating on the wrong side of policy while simultaneously threatening to report anyone that touched you Stolas.



Rev. Reene

"And if you should die explainin' how the things that they complain about
Are things they could be changin', who do you think's gonna care?"
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Re: Barbie talk 07/03/2008 07:11 PM CDT
Just an idea here if the option is available to you.

I think all teleportation magic doesn't work on ships (never have tested it myself) so it might be an option if you find yourself being victimized.


-=Dirge. You gotta lava it.=-

"Traders do not shriek like little girls and worry about magic cooties." GM Armifer
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Re: Barbie talk 07/03/2008 08:24 PM CDT
I don't think people are complaining about being victimized so much as pointing out that Stolas is a hypocrite.

The Stolas train just keeps on wrecking.
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Re: Barbie talk 07/03/2008 10:02 PM CDT
I think the decision is pretty much unanimous: Stolas is a nutcase. Stolas always has his own version of 'what happened'; but the rest of us, firmly grounded in a little place i like to call reality, know he's a good bit off the mark.
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Re: Barbie talk 07/04/2008 11:46 AM CDT
What is a Rippentropp?

And perhaps a weekly (daily?) log report thread ("The Stolas Weekly Review") of such behavior would remove all this he said/she said back and forth and provide unbiased outsiders a chance to see both sides of such disputed events.

if this truly is ongoing disruptive behavior, I think it would only take a few logs to prove which person is speaking the more unvarnished version of events and then provide folks with a course of action on how to proceed.
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Re: Barbie talk 07/04/2008 12:54 PM CDT
Is Ritual Summons really that powerful? What is, if there is any, defense against it?

Robo

Teens today face cyber bullying. On the brighter side, nerds can now hand over their lunch money with paypal.
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Re: Barbie talk 07/04/2008 01:14 PM CDT
"I think all teleportation magic doesn't work on ships (never have tested it myself) so it might be an option if you find yourself being victimized."

Teleport works on ships, moongate does not.
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Re: Barbie talk 07/04/2008 02:47 PM CDT
<<Teleport works on ships, moongate does not.

Not on player owned ships.


- Player of Foresee

"You're right, we're all against you and actively work to stymie your guild's development. I'm twirling my mustache at the sheer thought." - DR-Armifer
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Re: Barbie talk 07/04/2008 07:20 PM CDT
>> What is a Rippentropp?

The Rippentropps are an elegant amalgam of prideful, poignant, punctual and occasionally petulant individuals with motives and ambitions that are as benevolent as they are unfathomable. To date they were instrumental in the ousting of the necromancer Veyne and have offered their services to Therengia by decree of the late Urwin in between saving orphaned kittens and helping little old ladies cross the road.

But the most important thing to know about the Rippentropps is what we don't do:

Rippentropp don't stop.



Rev. Reene

"And if you should die explainin' how the things that they complain about
Are things they could be changin', who do you think's gonna care?"
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Re: Barbie talk 07/04/2008 08:44 PM CDT
"But the most important thing to know about the Rippentropps is what we don't do:

Rippentropp don't stop."


This actualy hurt to read. If you said this IG I think I would have grounds for consent.


-Serc



"Moon Mages have already been given some of the most ridiculously powerful magic in the game, third only to Warrior Mages and Barbarians" -Armifer
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Re: Barbie talk 07/05/2008 01:32 AM CDT

>The Rippentropps are an elegant amalgam of prideful, poignant, punctual and occasionally petulant individuals with motives and ambitions that are as benevolent as they are unfathomable. To date they were instrumental in the ousting of the necromancer Veyne and have offered their services to Therengia by decree of the late Urwin in between saving orphaned kittens and helping little old ladies cross the road.

>But the most important thing to know about the Rippentropps is what we don't do:

>Rippentropp don't stop.

Hahahahaha. Wow. The funny thing is, they believe all that crap.


-Coralin
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Re: Barbie talk 07/05/2008 06:52 AM CDT
Funny, at least one Rippentropp stopped cold.


- Mazrian
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Re: Barbie talk 07/05/2008 07:02 AM CDT
>> Funny, at least one Rippentropp stopped cold.

too soon man, too soon :(

I also only believe half of those things but I leave it to an exercise to the reader to figure out which half.



Rev. Reene

"And if you should die explainin' how the things that they complain about
Are things they could be changin', who do you think's gonna care?"
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Re: Barbie talk 07/05/2008 09:44 AM CDT
The rippentropps actually make a cameo appearance in Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix. The first scene in the playground where Dudley starts baiting harry about his dead parents and dead cidric.

the rippentropps are standing behind dudley.

:oP Ragran
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Re: Barbie talk 07/05/2008 02:48 PM CDT
I'm fine with the Rippentropps until they turn into the Outcasts Clique. At least they don't spam the gweth with their slogan yet.

I miss Urwin.
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Re: Barbie talk 07/06/2008 09:47 AM CDT
>>I'm fine with the Rippentropps until they turn into the Outcasts Clique.

Uhhh, what?

- Galren

>>The Rippentropps are a mysterious collective of well-known individuals whose primary charge is to initiate the advancing task of not stopping.
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Re: Barbie talk 07/06/2008 10:42 AM CDT
>>Uhhh, what?

I think what was meant was "until they start greeting each other over the gweth with the same phrases". <shrugs>


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For your eyes will only tell the truth..
And the truth isn't what you want to see.
In the dark, it is easy to pretend
That the truth is what it ought to be." - Erik Claudin
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Re: Barbie talk 07/06/2008 10:47 AM CDT
>>>Uhhh, what?

>I think what was meant was "until they start greeting each other over the gweth with the same phrases". <shrugs>


Urwin and Pie, Galren. Urwin and Pie.


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Huldah: So, I hear there's a gunfight going down at the Paladin's Guild. Brother against brother, Mano-a-mano. IT'S CHAOS. Soon there will be blood. And someone is going to have a horse head in their bed.
Pal: Uh. No more mob movies for you.
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Re: Barbie talk 07/06/2008 01:55 PM CDT
>Urwin and Pie, Galren. Urwin and Pie.

heh, exactly.
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Re: Barbie talk 07/06/2008 07:12 PM CDT
The Rippentrops are more like a street gang or testaluda mafia crew. So, if you like the Sopranos, you will love rping with them. However, talking like Pauli Walnuts is not going to score you any points with someone who does not mind giving you a little lesson.

The lesson in this case, do not keep talking trash to someone who can mop the floor with you. Especially when that person repeatedly tells you what will happen if you keep running your mouth. It must have been a big suprise when it actually happened. Since some people are having problems with this I will point on some things from the consent policy.

1)"Any statement, emote or action used in a negative manner against another player has the potential to be considered consent, especially when it is deliberately used to goad the target into a physical encounter." News 5 24

2)"A single taunt, slap, kick, etc., alone may not be sufficient. However, if a player is repeatedly and openly insulting another player, or kicking, punching, slapping, etc. -- then that person is operating under implied consent. In other words, if their target gets tired of the abuse and chooses to react in a more physical manner, they have the ability to do so." News 5 24

3)"If the abuser has been reasonably warned to cease their behavior, and they continue with said actions, then they are giving their target consent." News 5 24

Wow, looky here spelled out in plain english for everyone to read. Hard to believe. If you talk trash and someone tells you to shut your yap, maybe you ought to. I know you dont understand, but Uncle Stolas is trying to help you out. Look out for your own well being instead of expecting someone to extend you a courtesy that you are too mean spirited to offer.

Martyka was given every opportunity to apologize for her actions, she choose door number #2.

Pelag ai Aldam Stolas


Ask Stolas on how to aid in the research that will allow inter-planar communication with someone who lived in the time of the Seven Star Empire.
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Re: Barbie talk 07/06/2008 07:21 PM CDT
>> Martyka was given every opportunity to apologize for her actions, she choose door number #2.

Yeah, boy, hear that everyone? Don't stand there doing nothing, Stolas might take offense and come after you. Or maybe he's starting to attribute the vitriolic voices in his head that constantly remind him of what a failure he is to DR characters.

Just admit that it's because she's someone with the last name Rippentropp that you know can't kill you.

And heaven help you if you pull that crap again and threaten to report other people for trying to help.



Rev. Reene

"And if you should die explainin' how the things that they complain about
Are things they could be changin', who do you think's gonna care?"
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