Shaape Moonblade RT 08/15/2014 05:28 PM CDT
Does this get faster with great ranks in utility? Or is there another way to speed this up?

It kind of stinks to hunt with it as a blunt and have to either shape it to something sharp and then shape it back... OR drop it, get a knife, and then recast and reshape to blunt in order to get a skin.
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Re: Shaape Moonblade RT 08/15/2014 05:32 PM CDT
<<Does this get faster with great ranks in utility?

Yes. It starts at 60 seconds and with skill can be trained down to 5 seconds. I didn't pay attention to it too much but it appears it's about 1 second off the rt every 4 or 5 ranks or so.



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Re: Shaape Moonblade RT 08/15/2014 05:32 PM CDT
Just get a belt knife


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Re: Shaape Moonblade RT 08/15/2014 05:33 PM CDT
<<It kind of stinks to hunt with it as a blunt and have to either shape it to something sharp and then shape it back... OR drop it, get a knife, and then recast and reshape to blunt in order to get a skin.

Oh, and you should invest in a wearable skinning or belt knife. All you need is an empty hand to be able to skin if you have it worn.



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Re: Shaape Moonblade RT 08/15/2014 05:34 PM CDT
Nice, so I've just gotta keep ranking up on that then. Thanks!

Belt knives can be skinned with while holding another weapon?! That's awesome; I will get one then!
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Re: Shaape Moonblade RT 08/15/2014 06:57 PM CDT
>Belt knives can be skinned with while holding another weapon?! That's awesome; I will get one then!

Yes. When wearing a knife, the system defaults to it for all skinning commands. There's no drawback for wearing one (well, ok, you lose a belt slot?). Note that if you get one that is a 'skinning' knife, it offers the best bonus to skinning. Only source I'm aware of for those is through a pay quest, and honestly it's simply not worth the cost, your skinning will far outpace the bonus from the knife.

Note it's not limited to 'belt' or 'knife', though that is the most common combination.

https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Belt_knife

The easiest place to get one is Shard's Survival shop, they will run you 1-2 gold. Someone might have one in Crossings if you gweth, but they also might try to charge you a lot for it.

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Re: Shaape Moonblade RT 08/15/2014 08:01 PM CDT
> Note that if you get one that is a 'skinning' knife, it offers the best bonus to skinning. Only source I'm aware of for those is through a pay quest, and honestly it's simply not worth the cost, your skinning will far outpace the bonus from the knife.

Didn't the recent guildfest outside Theren have guild themed belt worn skinning knives?

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Re: Shaape Moonblade RT 08/15/2014 08:28 PM CDT
>Didn't the recent guildfest outside Theren have guild themed belt worn skinning knives?


They did.

>R> tap my skin kni

>You tap a silver-hilted skinning knife displaying the Moon Mage Guild crest that you are wearing.

I was going to refute this because all the belt, thigh, wrist and arm worn knives that have been usable for skinning while worn seem to not appraise as a weapon, but rather as a tool:

> appr my kni
>The steel knife is made with metal.
>It appears that the steel knife can be worn on the thigh.
>You are certain that the steel knife weighs exactly 9 stones.
>You are certain that the steel knife is worth exactly ...
>Roundtime: 8 seconds.


The skinning knives sold at guildfest all appraise as weapons, but I bought one just in case:

> appr kni

>
>A silver-hilted skinning knife displaying the Moon Mage Guild crest is a light edged melee-ranged weapon.
>A silver-hilted skinning knife displaying the Moon Mage Guild crest trains the small edged skill.

>You are certain that it could do:
somewhat fair (5/26) puncture damage
fair (5/26) slice damage
dismal (1/26) impact damage
no (0/26) fire damage
no (0/26) cold damage
no (0/26) electric damage

>The skinning knife is terribly (1/17) designed for improving the force of your attacks.

>You are certain that the knife is very well (10/17) balanced and is dismally (2/17) suited to gaining extra attack power from your strength.

>You are certain that the skinning knife is of average construction (9/18), and is in pristine condition (98-100%).

>The skinning knife is made with metal.
>You are certain that the skinning knife weighs exactly 10 stones.
>You are certain that the skinning knife is worth exactly ...
>Roundtime: 8 seconds.


But instead of proving you wrong I'm pleasantly surprised:

> inv belt
>All of your items worn attached to the belt:

a silver-hilted skinning knife displaying the Moon Mage Guild crest
a black gem pouch (closed)

> skin

>With preternatural poise, you work loose a sterling example ...
>You carefully fit ...
>Roundtime: 2 sec.


That being said -
1. the thigh knife I have been using has been giving me consistently "sterling" examples of skins. I don't think that's the max so I'm not sure there is a bonus? (I tried arranging but received the same messaging there too only getting a decent quality skin though so sorry I can't confirm this or not)
2. If you do use it in an attack as a LE weapon (which you can't do with the other belt worn knives), it might not be usable for skinning while worn anymore. I don't want to test this and lose the ability so just throwing it out there.

There ya go.



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Re: Shaape Moonblade RT 08/15/2014 08:35 PM CDT
>1. the thigh knife I have been using has been giving me consistently "sterling" examples of skins. I don't think that's the max so I'm not sure there is a bonus? (I tried arranging but received the same messaging there too only getting a decent quality skin though so sorry I can't confirm this or not)

Are you using arrange just 1 time? It's possible to arrange the same creature 5 times to get a perfect skin. If you have the proper crafting technique, you can use "arrange all" to do all 5 arranges in 5 seconds, instead of 5 times at 2 seconds each. If you are still not getting perfect skins after you arrange 5x (or all), you don't have enough skill.

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Re: Shaape Moonblade RT 08/15/2014 10:24 PM CDT
>Are you using arrange just 1 time? It's possible to arrange the same creature 5 times to get a perfect skin. If you have the proper crafting technique, you can use "arrange all" to do all 5 arranges in 5 seconds, instead of 5 times at 2 seconds each. If you are still not getting perfect skins after you arrange 5x (or all), you don't have enough skill.

I only arrange further when I need to build up my skinning exp pool or I'm keeping the skins, but yes I know about it thanks!

I tried arranging for the example but the creature I'm in now I just moved to and sometimes even still fail when arranging. More often than not I just get a normal quality skin when arranging though. The thread was about belt worn skinning knives mainly, and not examining the small bonus attributed to when the worn knife includes 'skinning' in the item description - so I didn't go the extra mile and try and analyze that aspect.



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Re: Shaape Moonblade RT 08/15/2014 11:41 PM CDT
Okay, so this is how it works.

belt knives are basically a short hand category for worn knives that can be used to skin without removing them. They exist in other forms than "belt knife" and there are "belt knives" that aren't this type.

a non-worm "skinning knife" gives the biggest bonus.
a worn "skinning knife" gives the next best.
a worn non-skinning knife gives the next best.
all LEs give the next best.
other weapons give the least, but I can't recall if they lose more with size or just all non-LEs are the same.

Whether or not the knife has combat statistics does not affect the bonus it gives.

Attacking with a combat knife has no effect on skinning, HOWEVER it will prevent it from ever being used by necromancers for rituals. Why? Cause... something.

I think that covers it.



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