If you observe moons, or observe sun, do you get the same messaging (is this for a RP deal)?

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>And yes, its for RP reasons, for a rakash character who wants to keep track of what Katamba is doing :-).

They sold jewelry that reflects the stages of the moon. I like the extremely long RT for non-Moon Mages. But, this could be an easy alternative for you.

-Coralin

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>I like the extremely long RT for non-Moon Mages. But, this could be an easy alternative for you.

Initially I disagreed with this, but on second thought, it makes absolutely no sense for the supposed masters of the heavens to get a long RT for doing something they routinely do, while the layperson is able to do it in an instant and get nearly, if not, identical info.

The Heavens, as a system (Which Observe is an extension of) is one of the more terrifying tangles of spaghetti code I've encountered. A significant overhaul to it (and the astrology system in general) is on my radar but we're talking likely a year or two out at this point due to a number of higher priority projects on my plate. Hopefully someone else can tackle it before then, but otherwise I would expect few changes to the system beyond critical bug fixes and updates to be compatible with Skills 3.0.

-Raesh

"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose

Whoever makes astrology ranks matter in predictions will become a small god to me.

That said, keep up the good work on the other stuff. Glad to hear this little observe idea is getting tacked to a list, even if it's low priority.

-- Player of Eyuve

>>They do. I double checked. Of course, you'll be happy if you don't ask me how or to what degree...

Well, that's... some small, small comfort. :-p

-- Player of Eyuve

>>The RT matters less and less since newer versions of Front Ends for DR include widgets that let people know exactly when moons are rising and falling, let alone up or not.
>Where can I find these widgets?


Insert obligatory 'Genie can do that!' post here:


Katamba SET in 2:10
Xibar SET in 2:09
Yavash RISE in 2:05
Sun SET in 1:20

And for those of us that use Wizard?




War is Peace, Truth is Lies. -george orwell

aha. so since this is the case then, why have this annoyingly large RT?



War is Peace, Truth is Lies. -george orwell

While I do agree that the non-mm rt is way too large for what it should be, I also disagree on being able to tell if the moons are there even if you can't see them.

The current system for observe moons and non-mm is fine with me. Maybe an exception for rakash and katamba, maybe only able to sense its phases. But a non-mm shouldn't be able to tell if a new moon is in the sky or if sufficient cloud coverage is there. If you see it from the MM perspective the moon mage can't see the moon under these conditions, he senses them. Don't see how a non-MM can tell a moon is there without the extra moon-sensitive antennae moon mages have.
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Unless there is a bug I'm aware of the current system makes perfect logical sense. Observing the entire sky covers a lot of things you're looking at, and while one could argue that the RT is excessive (And I'll hesitantly say it is, though I doubt to the degree some of you are thinking) or that it could scale with skill better... fundamentally I don't see an issue here.

As stated above, if I or another GM rip into the system it's likely something like this could get some polish, but otherwise it is a poor use of time vs reward.

-Raesh

"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose

Raesh to the rescue!

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^^ What Evran said x 1000. I hate having to retreat just to observe the weather just so I can tell if it's raining or not so my instruments don't get hurt :(

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>obs moon

>

You scan the heavens for the three moons:

Katamba is nowhere to be seen.

Xibar is nowhere to be seen.

Yavash is nowhere to be seen.

>obs sky

>

The following heavenly bodies are visible:

The mid-afternoon sun is unobscured by clouds.

Katamba is unobscured by clouds.

Xibar is unobscured by clouds.

Yavash is below the horizon.

Roundtime: 5 sec.

R>

R>obs xibar

You scan the skies for a few moments.

Xibar is unobscured by clouds.

Xibar is nowhere to be seen.

You see nothing else of note.

Roundtime: 5 sec.

R>

>obs yavash

You scan the skies for a few moments.

Your search for the red moon Yavash turns up fruitless.

If they're nowhere to be seen per OBSERVE MOONS, why are two of them "unobscured by clouds" under OBSERVE SKY? And seemingly inconsistent in their visibility when observing them individually? It seems like they should all be "below the horizon" under OBSERVE SKY and give the fruitless message when observed individually.

<<If they're nowhere to be seen per OBSERVE MOONS, why are two of them "unobscured by clouds" under OBSERVE SKY? And seemingly inconsistent in their visibility when observing them individually? It seems like they should all be "below the horizon" under OBSERVE SKY and give the fruitless message when observed individually.

Its a new moon.

-Evran

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Assuming you did that like... today. Yavash is a new moon currently.

>obs yav
You scan the skies for a few moments.
Yavash is unobscured by clouds.
Yavash is nowhere to be seen.

>per yav
Yavash is a new moon, high in the eastern sky.
It is contributing a moderately weak amount of mana.
Roundtime: 3 sec.

>obs moon
You scan the heavens for the three moons:
Katamba is nowhere to be seen.

The blue moon Xibar has waned to a narrow crescent of light.
It is fairly close and is shining brightly.

Yavash is nowhere to be seen.

>obs sky
You glance up at the sky.
The sky has a few scattered clouds in it.

The following heavenly bodies are visible:
A cloud has obscured parts of the late morning sun.
Katamba is below the horizon.
Nearly half of Xibar has been obscured by clouds above.
Yavash is unobscured by clouds.

Now we play it again as a MM:

>obs moons
You scan the heavens for the three moons:
Katamba is nowhere to be seen.

The blue moon Xibar has waned to a narrow crescent of light.
It is fairly close and is shining brightly.

You feel the presence of a moderately near Yavash.

What this all comes down to is... observe sky should likely be tweaked.

-Raesh

"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose

>>Because I have no problem with a Cleric not being able to detect a new moon covered behind cloud cover.

I have no real problem with this either.

But I want to point out that Scholarship is the contested skill. With enough Scholarship, I think a character should simply know when the moons are supposed to be up. Granted, I think that check should be pretty large, because who even remembers things like when our own moon is supposed to be up? But it should still be possible.

But maybe OBSERVE should just not contest Scholarship, and instead we could have something like RECALL YAVASH.


-- Player of Eyuve