Given the difficulty i'm having with hiding and wearing chain i've decided to backtrain leather.

Does anyone know how low stealth hinderance can be trained on a full leather setup + armworn shield for MMs?

At 84 ranks of leather + armworn shield i'm still at fairly hindered for stealth (i'm at lightly without the shield, same as I am with my chain set up without the shield)

Is the shield the deal breaker here? Am I wasting my time training up leather if I'm going to insist on wearing the shield?

I've never payed much attention to armor. I got some chain and just let it train for the last 90 circles. Any help here would be appreciated.


-Serc

"We, the disenfranchised men and women of Elanthia do, by the publishing of this accord, cast off the oppressive yoke of all law and nations and choose for ourselves a path of loyalty unto ourselves"

Good enough for me. I will continue to grind leather for the next month or so. Thank you.


-Serc

"We, the disenfranchised men and women of Elanthia do, by the publishing of this accord, cast off the oppressive yoke of all law and nations and choose for ourselves a path of loyalty unto ourselves"

This is why I wish Shadows gave a stealth boost not just a hiding boost.


I know this: if life is illusion, then I am no less an illusion, and being thus, the illusion is real to me. I live, I burn with life, I love, I slay, and am content.

>Garg shield as opposed to garg buckler? What's the app on it?

Higher protection if held in the hand (same protection if worn), lower hindrance, avg strength.


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Read this, first. http://www.play.net/forums/messages.asp?forum=20&category=1&topic=1&message=2745

I'll wait.

Okay. As some of you know, armor hindrance has always been an Issue with Moon Mages. Specifically, you guys have far and away the worst hindrances in the game. This is not simply a matter of your Armor Tertiary status; armor hindrances were instead assigned based on the sort of qualitative "is it a combat guild?" concept that brought us such things as extra stance points and absurd "Masters of X" conversations.

This is going to change. Moon Mage hindrance issues will be brought into line with all Armor Tertaries, and you will share the joy and struggles of it together as one big skillset family.

In practice, this means two things.

1: Moon Mage minimum hindrances, more than anyone else in the game, are going down. Hindrance of every type of armor will be reduced, but it'll be especially noticeable for Leather and Cloth. Once again, you are getting the same deal as every Armor Tertiary in the game; you simply were that deep in the hole to start.

2: If you want to cash in on your new fortune, you need to engage in melee combat to work those armor skills. The flip-side of the coin is that you're still an Armor Tertiary guild that is designed more in mind of avoiding melee than taking hits. You are facing the analog of the "offer" I gave Paladins and Rangers with TM: you can excel stronger now in this field than ever before, but only if you're willing to put time and effort into your guild's weak area.

In a sense we've broken the chains of Moon Mages only to give you newer, shiny chains, but I hope you will all agree with me that it's a good change in Lunarlund.

-Armifer
<Kvlt> Step 1: Want stuff! Step 2: Be ambitious! Step 3: Believe in the ability of your fellow man to carry you to heights you are too incompetent to reach alone.

It's indeed a brighter future. Every guild can be a combat guild.

Nikpack

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And while I am evil, I try to avoid being just plain mean.
-Z

Thanks for this, it sounds great.

>>brought us such things as extra stance points

Speaking of such, are these going to be re-evaluated? Given my primary character is a Barbarian I'm already getting the cream of the crop, so to speak, but I always thought it was sort of absurd that defensive points were allocated seemingly arbitrarily.

Paladins every 10 circles = perfect sense
Barbs every 10 circles also = I can see that.
Warmies every 15 = ...okay
Clerics, same skillsets as Warmies, every 20 =...huh?

>>Rangers with supposedly the best defensive skillset placement in the game, yet every 20....

Hopefully combat 3.0 will make parry ranks just as desirable as shield/evasion ranks, in which case Barbarians would be analogous. Until then, though, Rangers do have the best skillset for combat.

>In a sense we've broken the chains of Moon Mages only to give you newer, shiny chains, but I hope you will all agree with me that it's a good change in Lunarlund.

Nice.

So about those stance points...

>>So about those stance points...

No promises, but it's a known quantity for Arbitrary Stuff.

-Armifer
<Kvlt> Step 1: Want stuff! Step 2: Be ambitious! Step 3: Believe in the ability of your fellow man to carry you to heights you are too incompetent to reach alone.

So for those of us suffering from hardcore unique snowflake syndrome, are we looking at both increased melee viability and increased stealth viability in heavy armor, particularly heavy plate?

Personally I don't care much for stealth anyway, hence the armor choice, but I can't help but be curious.


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Player of Kryeus Kyshi'cio

>increased stealth viability in heavy armor, particularly heavy plate

No, stealth will never be viable in heavy plate.

>>Minimum evasion hindrance for HP is going down for Moon Mage. It's still not a great idea if you value Evasion, but it'll hopefully be noticeable better than it is now.

Still the best DR news I've heard in a long while. Eagerly awaiting this change being rolled in.


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Player of Kryeus Kyshi'cio