From the WoE boards.

>>Now if only GG could be used as the sacramental wine.

Basically it would be nice to be able to use the alcohols that GG produces as the sacramental wine used in the devotion ritual. I know it's not game breaking, but I have been dying to see some functionality add to this RP-only spell and it fits in the current dynamic.

To take this idea one step further, it would be nice if the spell could produce some of the other ritual or commune items a cleric may use from water to oil to incense to even a sirese seed or two. I hate nothing more than missing one of those items right when I'm planning on duing the ritual. Of course some sort of restriction would have to be placed on the non-alcohol options. Maybe they drain devotion?

I'm envisioning casting options:

-cast alcohol (provides a random alcoholic beverage)
-cast water (provides a single use of water)
-cast oil (provides a single use of oil)
-cast incense (provides a stick of incense)
etc, etc.

Thoughts?

Nikpack
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Cantripifying GG would be the sane thing to do, but I keep hoping to find a solid enough concept to rewrite it as a real spell. Consider this suggestion noted as a possible secondary effect.

GM Grejuva

Im not the best at tossing out clerical spell ideas but was thinkin about something GG could do as a real spell and what about a charisma/spirit booster?

Glythtide is the god of happiness and joy so it would make sense that if you cast his spell it would make you happy through and through which would make people around you drawn to you (CHA bonus) and would make your spirit stronger (could be anything from reducing spirit damage from spirit attack spells to a vigil like effect on the regen/pulse speed).

Im sure someone could flesh out some better details but I could see this as a viable booster spell of some sort. Could prolly even find a way to keep the secondary effect of the drinks if it wasnt just turned into a cantrip.

<<Cantripifying GG would be the sane thing to do, but I keep hoping to find a solid enough concept to rewrite it as a real spell. Consider this suggestion noted as a possible secondary effect.

The problem with cantripifying it would be that other guilds would lose access to it. I think the Bard guild would implode.

If its an Analagous Pattern cantrip, however....

-Evran

Crackling with unspent rage since 386AV.

How about turning it into a spell that makes someone giggle like a little girl and has the side effect of being a small concentration debuff + potential to disrupt every action in favor of mindless giggling ala Chorus of Madmen.

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Rev. Reene

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Thanks for listening everyone. I just really want to see more use out of this spell while still keepin it a spell because I know there is a subset of the population who likes to keep it temporarily memorized. Thus my idea was to try and take it's current idea one step further. Since it is a literal gift from Glythtide, I thought it might provide a bunch of different things, particularly things clerics might find useful such as items for rituals or communes. I just don't know if it's doable or allowable.

All hail Grejuva!

Nikpack
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-Z

Devan's post got me thinking- I think he meant it somewhat in jest, but conceptually, a stat boost that is balanced by a stat deboost is kind of intriguing. What if there was a spell that could boost any stat, but cause a reduction in a specific other stat of half as much.
Say for instance you wanted to boost discipline, but were willing to debuff strength- casting the spell for a 18 point increase in discipline would result in a 9 point debuff in strength. The reason I don't make it one for one is because I think having a 50% debuff is plenty of a trade off to be able to boost any specific stat.

Let me say though- I can't see this for GG. It just doesnt seem to fit. So here are my proposals for GG:

a) A stamina boost- with a twist. As a first tier stat boost, keeping it to a specific single stat should mean we could expect a high maximum, with hopefully a nice minimum to make it usable by lower level clerics. When casting GG, the cleric would "cast Flavius" and as usual a beverage would appear, but in this case it would be "Glythtide's Special Elixir". The cleric could drink it immediately for the modest stat boost(the elixir at this point could not be stored and would dissappate in a minute or less), or could cast Bless upon it(metamagic!), and in that case a) the stamina boost is doubled(still bound by global caps), and more importantly, the drink could be stored for a period of time, and the duration of the stat boost would not start until the elixir was drunk. Only one elixir could be in effect at any period of time, so there would be no stocking up. The elixir could be shared with someone else, but since only one elixir could be in effect at any period of time, the cleric would be foregoing his own stat boost in order to boost someone else.

b) Share those drinks- cast at another person or creature, it would displace whatever was in the targets right hand(causing it to drop) with a GG drink. A second cast would do the same thing with the left hand. A critical success would induce a short RT while the person or creature cheers and drinks the drink(rp effects- yay).

I think either of these spells could be useful early on, yet would still be useful at all stages of a clerics career.

<<I think he meant it somewhat in jest, but conceptually, a stat boost that is balanced by a stat deboost is kind of intriguing.

In practice it kinda sucks. BLUFF AMAZE boosts charisma but debuffs discipline for example. The times I'd want to boost charisma, I usually want my discipline intact as well and so the ability goes almost entirely unused.

Note the GMs: If you wanted to axe the disc debuff in favor of reducing the CHA boost slightly I'd be okay with it. Or just give us a way to turn it off at will. Or something. :/

-Evran

Crackling with unspent rage since 386AV.

(I realize I'm a bit late here, but I've been on vacation give me a break)

My suggestion for GG has always been to allow the alcohol to be thrown as a weak naphtha effect which can be lit on fire by FOU and the like.

If I could throw my alcohol around, I'd be more than willing to train LT just for the sheer amusement.

~Player of "One of the Caels."
Spiritual Adviser to the Heretics

>Vote yes on Prop. re. GG by Smegul.

Vote no one spell suggestions that require weapon skills and another spell to be 'useful'.

GG is a cantrip. Frankly, other cantrips snicker at the idea of making GG a cantrip. It's embarasing.

If it is going to be a real spell, it should have real-spell effects. Summon the alcohol directly into the bloodstream of the target, to cause stat penalties or percept penalties or something.

Currently, it is a sort of nifty RP tool that anyone with a few gold can replicate. While I understand the motive behind the suggestions, this spell is just, frankly a dishonor.

Steal a page from warrior mages, have Divine Radiance guide the liquor to the target on a beam of holy light.

heh that would amuse me greatly


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