1) No preference.

2) Nope. Buyer's remorse tends to be smaller with unreturnable purchases.

1: I like the 150 level model, it gives you something to do. If the difference is purely cosmetic, I see no reason not to do the 150.

2: I'm for being able to change, just because there are so many things in DR you can never change about your character. With characters being such a huge time commitment, letting people change things like this to make their playtime more enjoyable is good, in my book.


-=Issus=-

>1) Many levels. I like moar rewards nao!

Just to reinforce this point, the rate and number of rewards you would get are the same in either model. It's just a cosmetic matter of if you want more frequent pats on the backs, or if you feel that'd water down the excitement for when you actually do get a new perk.

-Raesh

"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose

1)The first option.
2)And i believe once you join a Heritage you should remain loyal to it. However I can understand how the others feel about being able to change, i just think the hit you would take should be significant cause it would be sad to see those who would change heritages on a whim.

Regards,
Vteec

1. I like the option to get rewarded less often but maybe get a perk each time. For me anyway, that would be more worth looking forward to than a bunch of small meaninless rewards.

2. I think you should be able to change Heritages once in your career, kind of like MM can one time switch to Heritage House once, so I think we should be able to move to the Heritsge of our choice own.

- Terra

>>Hmm I didn't know a mechanic like this existed.

The mechanic works in that you can join any of the sects. You can ONLY change your sect to the heritage house sect however once you have choosen. This is due to the lore of the heritage house and their desire to unify all of the sects into their own.

Heritage House are the Borg.

-Raesh

"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose

What about...until you reach a certain level within a heritage you can change at no cost? It's you or the elders in that path who figure out it's just not right for you.

As for pats on the back - they're nice to get every now and then but it worries me a tad that they might be skill ranks related. Getting 50 ranks of skill x under 200 ranks is waaaaayyyyy different from getting 50 ranks of skill x when you're over 800 ranks. So I'm hoping it's set up to scale appropriately time wise.

Something attainable once every 3 months for a casual player would be a nice feel good.

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~Faih

Three things that make a bard:
Playing of the lute
Knowledge of ancient lore
Poetic power.
- adapted from the Triads

>>Heritage House are the Borg.

So we are to be assimilated into mindless bagpipe droners subject to sacrifice at whim to achieve the final tribal goal of perfection?

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* Malik was just struck down!

>>I think you should be able to change Heritages once in your career...

If I were to roll a Bard, I would want to experiment with all the heritages to see which I liked best - preferably without rerolling the character to do so.

>>Just to reinforce this point, the rate and number of rewards you would get are the same in either model.

Yeah, I didn't mean to muddy the waters. For me, even a cosmetic pat on the back is a reward.

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This idea may have worked in another time and another place, but here it immediately fell on its face and went "Durp durp." - Armifer

1. Less levels with more meaning.
2. Change once.

GENT

Agree with LUCKYSEVENS/Gent.

Less with more meaning
Change once

Seems to fit other systems already in place in DR.

Think it shouldn't be casual either. Should be a good amount of time if that is what you are leaning towards. I think any amount of time will be arbitrary so it's really whatever number you put to it. Six months seems a little much to me, but I really have nothing to justify feeling that way about it.

Six months seems fair to me, as well.


-=Issus=-

I prefer a half a year waiting option.

I just can't be seen agreeing with Issus too much, or people will think we're the same person.

:D


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AIM: Ysselt

>Would a "Six(?) months after leaving a Heritage you are able to join another one?" satisfy people? I can't say I'm entirely sold on that option.

Are you trying to do this for a RL time frame or an IG time frame? I mean...what about a character waiting 1 Elanthian year before joining another? This would be slightly more than 3 months RL. Or maybe 1.5 Elanthian years at something less than 6 months?

Also, make those jumping ship go through some sort of additional 'proof of desire' quest or something to convince the Heritage that they're sincere.

I also see each heritage having different points of view as to whether they would accept someone who's been jumping around. I don't see the performers caring as long as you're performing. The lore keepers might decide that you just aren't serious enough about your studies to make you worth wasting their time on you if you can't make a simple decision about your heritage. I don't see songsworn as going for anyone who's jumped ship more than once. But that's just me.

I don't see 6 months as being too long at all. I just thought you might want to tie it to something within the game since it's really a game lore thing.

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~Faih

Three things that make a bard:
Playing of the lute
Knowledge of ancient lore
Poetic power.
- adapted from the Triads

I like the idea, but I would think 3 months is a bit more what I would hope for. Like the above poster, no real reason for the desire for it to be less then 6, just feels better.

<<Finally, it will not be possible to game the system. Any perks gained would be lost on leaving the Heritage, and I already plan to account for changing Heritages with feat costs to prevent this (Since you could, for example, learn feats from the Lorekeepers as a normal bard under the normal cost and THEN join the Songsworn, which would cause the Lorekeeper feats to become more expensive, but the Songsworn feats cheaper). This is just a variant on the same thing.

Ah, cool. I knew the variant cost plan already, but wasn't aware of the plan for losing feats and having to rechoose on a change of heritage. That alleviates my case of devil's advocacy. Thanks for the info.

>>You won't be losing feats under my current plan.

My ankles thank you, er...

This is very tentative, but since it's really nothing I didn't throw out there at the early meetings here's the gist.

Note that the numbers and names used in this example are mostly placeholders, and are no way indicative of the final design.

Basically you'll earn "Feat Points" (Yeah, they need a better name) through skill. Say you earn a point every 50 ranks of... scholarship, up to a cap of 20 total points. That's independent of your Heritage.

If you are not part of a Heritage, feats cost 2 points each. If you're part of a Heritage, the feats from your Heritage cost 1 and those from another Heritage cost 3.

What this means is, at the cap, a non Heritage Bard and a Heritage Bard both can purchase 10 feats (Assuming the Heritage Bard buys all of their Heritage Feats, which is a good assumption).

The solution I'm currently planning to prevent gaming the system is to allow feat points to go negative. So, say you spend 10 feat points as a non Heritage Bard, and buy all the Taleweaver feats and then join the Songsworn. At this point you have 15 feat points worth of feats, but only 10 points to spend. You'd be prevented from purchasing more feats until you worked off your debt, but in the long run it works out the same.

About the only weird thing you could do with this approach is to purchase (for example) all of the Taleweaver and Lorekeeper feats as a non Heritage Bard and than join the Songsworn, however in that scenario you would be forever prevented from learning the Songsworn feats. If someone wants to go to such lengths on the surface I don't really see a problem with it, nor much benefit of doing it.

-Raesh

"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose