Heads-up: it may be easier to hit reply to this and read the post that way due to IF bar formatting issues. Okay, so I wait for my IF to get back to 1/3 so I can start tenacity back up (contemplation and tenacity fell while hunting, so I put contemplation back up and waited on my pool before tenacity was put back up):

You are currently practicing the Bear Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Monkey Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Buffalo Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Piranha Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
The Contemplation meditation is still burned into your mind.
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You feel a jolt as your vision snaps shut.


s>med tenac
You begin to meditate upon the chakrel amulet, your inner fire swelling as you center your mind, body, and spirit.
Roundtime: 8 sec.
sR>

You are currently practicing the Bear Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Monkey Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Buffalo Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Piranha Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
The Tenacity meditation is still burned into your mind.
The Contemplation meditation is still burned into your mind.

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You feel a jolt as your vision snaps shut.

Tenacity sucks my pool to nothing and everything drops.


Here is some testing with a full pool and just tenacity:

>medit power
>
You begin to meditate upon the chakrel amulet, your inner fire swelling as you center your mind, body, and spirit.
Roundtime: 4 sec.
R>
Symbolic representations of your inner fire manipulations begin to form.
>
The threads of control maintaining your focus, rage and calm are now clearly visible.
>
The burning symbols indicate no abilities are currently affecting you.
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You feel a jolt as your vision snaps shut.
>sit
You sit down.
s>med tenac
You begin to meditate upon the chakrel amulet, your inner fire swelling as you center your mind, body, and spirit.
Roundtime: 8 sec.
sR>
Peering into the flame you visualize swords, teeth and worse all rending your flesh.
sR>
You draw the flames close and bring forth a physical hardening to your body.
sR>
The flame infuses your flesh, reinforcing it against physical damage!
You feel a jolt as your vision snaps shut.
s>st
You stand back up.
>medit power
You begin to meditate upon the chakrel amulet, your inner fire swelling as you center your mind, body, and spirit.
Roundtime: 7 sec.
R>
Symbolic representations of your inner fire manipulations begin to form.
R>
The threads of control maintaining your focus, rage and calm are now clearly visible.
>

>
The Tenacity meditation is still burned into your mind.
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You feel a jolt as your vision snaps shut.


Oddly, the bar seems to have moved to the right, but plenty of IF left.

Here is my normal stack, in order:

>medit power
>
You begin to meditate upon the chakrel amulet, your inner fire swelling as you center your mind, body, and spirit.
Roundtime: 7 sec.
R>
Symbolic representations of your inner fire manipulations begin to form.
R>
The threads of control maintaining your focus, rage and calm are now clearly visible.
>
The burning symbols indicate no abilities are currently affecting you.
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You feel a jolt as your vision snaps shut.

>form buffalo
Lurching forward, you reposition your burden and mimic the steady movements of the Buffalo.
Roundtime: 2 sec.
R>form bear
A lumbering strength fills your body as you assume the movements of a hungry bear!
Roundtime: 2 sec.
R>form monkey
An interesting fluidity fills your muscles as you assume the movements of an agile monkey!
Roundtime: 2 sec.
R>form piranha
Your movements begin to mimic the rapid rythm of the piranha.
Roundtime: 2 sec.
R>sit
>meditate tenacity
You sit down.
s>
You begin to meditate upon the chakrel amulet, your inner fire swelling as you center your mind, body, and spirit.
Roundtime: 10 sec.
sR>
Peering into the flame you visualize swords, teeth and worse all rending your flesh.
sR>
You draw the flames close and bring forth a physical hardening to your body.
sR>

sR>
The flame infuses your flesh, reinforcing it against physical damage!
You feel a jolt as your vision snaps shut.
s>meditate contemplation
You begin to meditate upon the chakrel amulet, your inner fire swelling as you center your mind, body, and spirit.
Roundtime: 9 sec.
sR>
Gazing into the flame, you contemplate a myriad of protective strategies.
sR>
Closer, closer the flames leap as you complete the martial analysis.
sR>

s>
The flame dance about you and fuel an enhanced defensive capability!
You feel a jolt as your vision snaps shut.
s>st
You stand back up.
>medit power
You begin to meditate upon the chakrel amulet, your inner fire swelling as you center your mind, body, and spirit.
Roundtime: 4 sec.
R>
Symbolic representations of your inner fire manipulations begin to form.
R>
The threads of control maintaining your focus, rage and calm are now clearly visible.
>
You are currently practicing the Bear Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Piranha Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Buffalo Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Monkey Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
The Tenacity meditation is still burned into your mind.
The Contemplation meditation is still burned into your mind.
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You feel a jolt as your vision snaps shut.

A couple minutes into hunting:

You are currently practicing the Bear Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Piranha Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Buffalo Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Monkey Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
The Tenacity meditation is still burned into your mind.
The Contemplation meditation is still burned into your mind.
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You feel a jolt as your vision snaps shut.

Clearly all is well.


Another few minutes go by:

You are currently practicing the Bear Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Piranha Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Buffalo Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Monkey Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
The Tenacity meditation is still burned into your mind.
The Contemplation meditation is still burned into your mind.
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You feel a jolt as your vision snaps shut.

Looking good.

You begin to meditate upon the chakrel amulet, your inner fire swelling as you center your mind, body, and spirit.
Roundtime: 5 sec.
R>
Symbolic representations of your inner fire manipulations begin to form.
R>
The threads of control maintaining your focus, rage and calm are now clearly visible.
>
You are currently practicing the Bear Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Piranha Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Buffalo Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Monkey Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
The Tenacity meditation is still burned into your mind.
The Contemplation meditation is still burned into your mind.
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You feel a jolt as your vision snaps shut.
>med stop all
The ability to contemplate enhanced defensive strategies drifts out of your mind as your meditation ends.
You take a deep breath and exhale, releasing the beneficial flames burning deep within your mind.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
R>med power
You begin to meditate upon the chakrel amulet, your inner fire swelling as you center your mind, body, and spirit.
Roundtime: 6 sec.
R>
Symbolic representations of your inner fire manipulations begin to form.
R>
The threads of control maintaining your focus, rage and calm are now clearly visible.
>
You are currently practicing the Bear Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Piranha Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Buffalo Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Monkey Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
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You feel a jolt as your vision snaps shut.

get to:
>
You are currently practicing the Bear Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Piranha Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Buffalo Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Monkey Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
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You feel a jolt as your vision snaps shut.

Put up contemplation:

You are currently practicing the Bear Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Piranha Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Buffalo Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Monkey Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
The Contemplation meditation is still burned into your mind.
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You feel a jolt as your vision snaps shut.

2 minutes later with a couple kills:

You are currently practicing the Bear Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Piranha Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Buffalo Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Monkey Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
The Contemplation meditation is still burned into your mind.
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You feel a jolt as your vision snaps shut.


Full again!

R>
You are currently practicing the Bear Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Piranha Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Buffalo Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Monkey Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
The Contemplation meditation is still burned into your mind.
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You feel a jolt as your vision snaps shut.
>

s>medit power
You begin to meditate upon the chakrel amulet, your inner fire swelling as you center your mind, body, and spirit.
Roundtime: 8 sec.

I quickly put up tenacity:

sR>
Symbolic representations of your inner fire manipulations begin to form.
sR>
The threads of control maintaining your focus, rage and calm are now clearly visible.
s>
You are currently practicing the Bear Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Piranha Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Buffalo Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Monkey Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
The Tenacity meditation is still burned into your mind.
The Contemplation meditation is still burned into your mind.

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Empty


I immediately drop everything to test IF with nothing (because every single time this happens, all my stuff drops anyway):

s>form stop all
You feel your inner fire cool as you finish practicing the Form of the Bear.
You feel your inner fire cool as you finish practicing the Form of the Piranha.
The powerful gait of the Buffalo form leaves your mind and burden hampers your movements once again.
You feel your inner fire cool as you finish practicing the Form of the Monkey.
s>med stop all
The ability to contemplate enhanced defensive strategies drifts out of your mind as your meditation ends.
You take a deep breath and exhale, releasing the beneficial flames burning deep within your mind.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
sR>medit power
You begin to meditate upon the chakrel amulet, your inner fire swelling as you center your mind, body, and spirit.
Roundtime: 5 sec.
sR>
Symbolic representations of your inner fire manipulations begin to form.
sR>
The threads of control maintaining your focus, rage and calm are now clearly visible.
s>
The burning symbols indicate no abilities are currently affecting you.
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You feel a jolt as your vision snaps shut.

I have IF? ^

I wait for my 1/3 of a tank and try reversing contemplation and tenacity from the start:

R>medit power
You begin to meditate upon the chakrel amulet, your inner fire swelling as you center your mind, body, and spirit.
Roundtime: 6 sec.
R>
Symbolic representations of your inner fire manipulations begin to form.
R>

The threads of control maintaining your focus, rage and calm are now clearly visible.
>
The burning symbols indicate no abilities are currently affecting you.
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You feel a jolt as your vision snaps shut.

>form buffalo
Lurching forward, you reposition your burden and mimic the steady movements of the Buffalo.
Roundtime: 2 sec.
R>form bear
A lumbering strength fills your body as you assume the movements of a hungry bear!
Roundtime: 2 sec.
R>form monkey
An interesting fluidity fills your muscles as you assume the movements of an agile monkey!
Roundtime: 2 sec.
R>form piranha
Your movements begin to mimic the rapid rythm of the piranha.
Roundtime: 2 sec.
R>sit
>meditate contemplation
You sit down.
s>
You begin to meditate upon the chakrel amulet, your inner fire swelling as you center your mind, body, and spirit.
Roundtime: 8 sec.
sR>
Gazing into the flame, you contemplate a myriad of protective strategies.
sR>
Closer, closer the flames leap as you complete the martial analysis.
sR>
The flame dance about you and fuel an enhanced defensive capability!
You feel a jolt as your vision snaps shut.
s>meditate tenacity
You begin to meditate upon the chakrel amulet, your inner fire swelling as you center your mind, body, and spirit.
Roundtime: 7 sec.
sR>
Peering into the flame you visualize swords, teeth and worse all rending your flesh.
sR>
You draw the flames close and bring forth a physical hardening to your body.
s>
The flame infuses your flesh, reinforcing it against physical damage!
You feel a jolt as your vision snaps shut.
s>st
You stand back up.
>medit power
You begin to meditate upon the chakrel amulet, your inner fire swelling as you center your mind, body, and spirit.
Roundtime: 6 sec.
R>
Symbolic representations of your inner fire manipulations begin to form.
R>stand

You are already standing.
>
The threads of control maintaining your focus, rage and calm are now clearly visible.
>
You are currently practicing the Bear Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Buffalo Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Piranha Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Monkey Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
The Contemplation meditation is still burned into your mind.
The Tenacity meditation is still burned into your mind.
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You feel a jolt as your vision snaps shut.

Hmmm. I can put Tenacity up right after Contemplation just fine here.


2 minutes later, things are moving fine:

You are currently practicing the Bear Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Buffalo Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Piranha Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Monkey Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
The Contemplation meditation is still burned into your mind.
The Tenacity meditation is still burned into your mind.
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You feel a jolt as your vision snaps shut.

I drop my meditations:

You are currently practicing the Bear Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Buffalo Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Piranha Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Monkey Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
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You feel a jolt as your vision snaps shut.

This time, I put tenacity up instead of contemplation:

s>medit tenacity
You begin to meditate upon the chakrel amulet, your inner fire swelling as you center your mind, body, and spirit.
Roundtime: 9 sec.
sR>
You feel fully rested.
sR>
Peering into the flame you visualize swords, teeth and worse all rending your flesh.
sR>
You draw the flames close and bring forth a physical hardening to your body.
sR>
The flame infuses your flesh, reinforcing it against physical damage!
You feel a jolt as your vision snaps shut.
s>st
You stand back up.
>medit power
You begin to meditate upon the chakrel amulet, your inner fire swelling as you center your mind, body, and spirit.
Roundtime: 5 sec.
R>
Symbolic representations of your inner fire manipulations begin to form.
R>
The threads of control maintaining your focus, rage and calm are now clearly visible.
>
You are currently practicing the Bear Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Buffalo Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Piranha Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Monkey Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
The Tenacity meditation is still burned into your mind.
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You feel a jolt as your vision snaps shut.

I kill a couple critters:


You are currently practicing the Bear Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Buffalo Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Piranha Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Monkey Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
The Tenacity meditation is still burned into your mind.
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You feel a jolt as your vision snaps shut.

I get to this point:

You are currently practicing the Bear Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Buffalo Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Piranha Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Monkey Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
The Tenacity meditation is still burned into your mind.
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You feel a jolt as your vision snaps shut.

Run to toss up Contemplation and for some odd reason nearly instantly lose 2 bars:

You sit down.
s>
You are currently practicing the Bear Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Buffalo Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Piranha Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Monkey Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
The Tenacity meditation is still burned into your mind.
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You feel a jolt as your vision snaps shut.
s>medit contemp
You begin to meditate upon the chakrel amulet, your inner fire swelling as you center your mind, body, and spirit.
Roundtime: 9 sec.
sR>
Gazing into the flame, you contemplate a myriad of protective strategies.
sR>
Closer, closer the flames leap as you complete the martial analysis.
sR>
The flame dance about you and fuel an enhanced defensive capability!
You feel a jolt as your vision snaps shut.
s>st
You stand back up.
>medit power
You begin to meditate upon the chakrel amulet, your inner fire swelling as you center your mind, body, and spirit.
Roundtime: 5 sec.
R>
Symbolic representations of your inner fire manipulations begin to form.
R>
The threads of control maintaining your focus, rage and calm are now clearly visible.
>
You are currently practicing the Bear Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Buffalo Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Piranha Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Monkey Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
The Contemplation meditation is still burned into your mind.
The Tenacity meditation is still burned into your mind.
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You feel a jolt as your vision snaps shut.

IF dropped quite a bit, but still, I seem to be doing okay (3 mins later):

You are currently practicing the Bear Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Buffalo Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Piranha Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
You are currently practicing the Monkey Form and will hold focus of it for a very long time.
The Contemplation meditation is still burned into your mind.
The Tenacity meditation is still burned into your mind.
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You feel a jolt as your vision snaps shut.

TL;DR:

There seem to be a some inconsistencies here:

First, what's with the bars?

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Second, I quickly toss up my forms first, then the two meditations and my IF is fine, regardless of tenacity or contemplation being started first (out of just those two meditations).

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this is with the four forms, followed by tenacity first then contemplation.

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this is with the four forms, followed by contemplation first then tenacity (a little less IF in this order).



Thirdly, I get back to 1/3 with just forms up, put up a meditation and all of a sudden take a big hit to my IF:

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1/3 IF with 4 forms, then meditate contemplation.

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1/3 IF with 4 forms, then meditate tenacity.


* If I have the 4 forms running, and Contemplation, with 1/3 IF, then toss up Tenacity, everything suddenly ends.

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what's with the baby-sized bar?

* If I have the 4 forms running, and Tenacity, with 1/3 IF, then toss up Contemplation, I am fine (but really low on IF).

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* If I have nothing running, and put up just tenacity, I get:

The Tenacity meditation is still burned into your mind.
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You feel a jolt as your vision snaps shut.

It seems that the IF consumption may be a bit off. Any chance this can be looked into? During this test, I used 0 roars and my safe room is 1 second away.


Squanto and his fully-grown raccoon, Zinaca.

A bit tough to see because the forums hate IF bars so much, but it seems like you are burning as much IF using Tenacity as I do, which I would definitely not expect to be the same since you probably 250+ more ranks of IF. I definitely see that your forms are lowering the passive inner fire regen less than mine, but the meditations seem to be about as costly.

Perhaps there is a bug with the way meditation cost is being calculated?