>>So in order to maybe tempt her (steal her?) to work on stuff for us,

You are off to a poor start.

-Raesh

Let me try that again.

>>her

You are off to a poor start.

-Raesh

I can help that happen

~ Yaz

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I'm just going to barge ahead with the concept of this thread, and not get bogged down in a GMs sex. Or lack of.

I've always wanted to see a more mercenary, less 'frothing at the mouth barbarian' fighter. While this can be done by choosing to be a dancer rather than a zerker, it would be nice to have a house/lodge/school/potatoe that reinforced it.

>On a more serious note, really what does a potato do to reinforce these fighters?

Potato vodka, of course

> I'm just going to barge ahead with the concept of this thread, and not get bogged down in a GMs sects. Or lack of.

FTFY

Now we're back on track!

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I don't know about Sects, but Followers of Traditions, and it might add some lore to the Barbarian guild. There are few books, but plenty of history that seems to go into the Barbarian guild. I'd like to know more.



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Victory Over Lyras, on the 397th year and 156 days since the Victory of Lanival the Redeemer.

There has to be lore in order for something to detract from it. As far as having sects or lodges. You could come up with plenty both for and against. If you don't like it that's fine but don't try to shoot down the idea of someone else simply for that. Personally I think there would be plenty of reason for it and I hope we do get some sort of lodge system. It makes sense that people of similar ideals would band together. And personally my barb doesn't like Mo or Agonar. So circling generally requires a trip of some sort.


Oderint Dum Metuant

>>don't know, most the times barbs in general don't band together already.

To play devil's advocate, sects don't really divide up the Moon Mage population, with most Tezirites hanging out in one place and most Heritage House hanging out in another place. The guild still bands together as Moon Mages, rather than individual sects, when the crap hits the fan.

All sects really do (aside from some cantrips) is provide a framework for roleplay. I think it works out pretty well, because Moon Mage lore is one of the richest lores in-game. Creating a bunch of Barbarian sects would also mean that each sect has a history, representatives, etc.

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-Armifer de Dragonrealms

>I don't know, most the times barbs in general don't band together already. If we are going to try to break the barb guild up into mini sects/lodges whatever it would be even worse.

Personally, I feel the reverse is actually true. It feels to me like the guild is fragmented, in part, because there's so little lore.

A blank slate may make your RP opportunities wide open, but who likes getting handed an empty book and being told to make up your own story (rhetorical question)?

It almost makes me wish we had some abilities that could only be learned from other PC barbs. I'm not sure it would help the issue, but I doubt it would make it any worse.

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The reason Barbarians seem light on lore is because their lore is that of the Clans. More lore isn't, generally speaking, going to hurt the Guild. But I would definitely, definitely prefer more lore with no strings attached. I would prefer never getting any more lore for the Guild ever again over sects.

The closest I'd come, the absolute closest, is allowing Barbarians to choose which "school of thought" they adhere to in terms of their outlook on their abilities. Each of the six Guildmasters would represent one of those outlooks. There's no "membership" and no restriction on switching between the schools of thought. No mechanical difference or benefits between them. The only thing that would change is how the Barbarian invokes their abilities.

One Tusfaov's Intellectuals might "Dragon Dance" like this:

Tusfaov blinks a few times in rapid succession, the pupils of his eyes dilating rapidly. He shakes his head a few seconds later, a slightly more vacant look in his eyes the only evidence of the episode.

Anhh'shre's Goons might look like this:

Anhh'shre frowns for a moment, and begins to restlessly check her combat gear. Buckles are re-buckled, snaps re-snapped, ties re-tied, and weapons drawn partially from sheaths to test their readiness. With a slight nod, she looks prepared for battle.

T'Kiel's Masters might look like this:

T'Kiel whips her (held weapon/arms) around her body as she limbers up, inadvertently engaging in an unbelievable display of control and familiarity. She settles into a comfortable stance (held weapon/arms) held at the ready.

Stumara's Scrappers might look like this:

Stumara produces a flask from somewhere on her person and tilts her head back to drain it of its contents. With a belch and a smirk, she tosses the flask aside and slaps herself on (the face/her helmet) a few times, mentally preparing herself.

Aligning yourself with Agonar or Mo would get you back to the messaging we enjoy now, although eventually I'd like to see Agonar move more toward dances and Mo more towards berserks.

Dances and Berserks would the only abilities I'd be looking at for this to touch on, and only in terms of how it appears to the Barbarian/people observing the Barbarian. You can ascribe to a different philosophy at some set duration (one month?), although I figure most Barbarians will end up choosing one they favor and stick with it.

Uh, I suppose if someone wanted I could be convinced to collate my thoughts in a document and e-mail it either Kodius or Raesh or both. Would you two appreciate that?

Sure, go ahead and email me any ideas you come up with.

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>>Wow. I'd hate to be your nose.
Your poor attempt at humor aside, most people have two nostrils, which assists them in blowing their noses. Like civilized persons would.

I don't think there's any need for "guilds within a guild" or "sub-guilds" or whatever. There's numerous guilds, and there's player run organizations like ODS or Theren Guard, among others if you want to create your own "identity." While moonies have different sects or whatever they have... who cares? I don't want to be a moonie. We have barbarians that are dancers, and some that are berserkers, and some that use roars or not. There's no need to further define the guild. It is what it is, and I'm satisfied with that.


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Just to be clear - I didn't do it. Not sure who did, but it wasn't me.

- GM Raesh

>I don't want to be a moonie. We have barbarians that are dancers, and some that are berserkers, and some that use roars or not. There's no need to further define the guild. It is what it is, and I'm satisfied with that.

I can't really understand this attitude.

The concept of 'sects' is simply to give the players more RP tools, with possibly some cantrips.

Let's say you have A, B, C sects for argument's sake. Knife fighters, heavy brawlers, and drunks.

A barb is free to ally himself with any 3 at will, or simply stay as a normal member and continue to define himself as he does currently, with the chance of some day joining a sect that mimics his RP.

It detracts nothing, adds possible flavor and interest. And likely, the GM doing the sects will be an event/story GM, not a mechanics/advocate GM.

To me it's like saying we shouldn't have guilds either, because that way everyone can freely and 100% define who and what they are.

>>It is what it is, and I am satisfied with that.

They aren't really "sub-guilds" so much as simply ways to enhance your roleplay. If you chose not to use them, that would be an entirely valid option, but I personally like the potential of a little more definition.

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-Armifer de Dragonrealms

At this point I am kind of regretting that I sent my ideas to Kodius half IC (e.g. Barbarians, their opinions, etc) and half OOC. It makes for sloppy reading if it isn't presented fully, and I don't want to misrepresent the thoughts of Guildleaders on the boards. A suggestion is, after all, a suggestion. So I'll just add some context to the OOC breakdown.


Guildleader Tusfaov would advocate the Considered Path of the Conscious Warrior, which would generally disdain approaching any fight without a plan.

The Considered Path of the Conscious Warrior could be thought of as in the mold of the Athenian Warrior-Philosophers. They're encouraged to both expand their minds and shed their physical limitations. Most of their abilities would reflect extreme patience and supreme discipline, with their eyes dilating and their bodies jerking subconsciously while they slip into a trance.

Guildleader Anhh'shre would advocate the Art of Compensated Fighting, which emphasizes minimizing risk and creating opportunities.

The Art of Compensated Fighting focuses strictly on mercenary behavior and efficiency in conflict, they'd closely represent Italian mercenaries circa the early 1600s. They simply prepare expeditiously for combat, checking and double-checking their gear.

Guildleader Stumara would advocate the Brutal Lessons of Barroom Brawling, which centers mostly around being drunk, engaging in fisticuffs, and being rowdy.

The Brutal Lessons of Barroom Brawling is just that: the sort of hard lessons you'd learn getting knocked around a lot while you're drunk. They hew very closely to the baseline expectations of a "Barbarian," although some might be closer to a Drunken Master. They fire themselves up with liquid courage and a few slaps to get themselves ready for the pain.

Guildleader T'Kiel would advocate the Way of Measured Practice, urging Barbarians to seek mastery of their chosen weapon(s) through rigorous practice.

The Way of Measured Practice would fall closely into the Florentine Schools of Fencing circa the mid 1600s, with followers utilizing a much larger variety of weapons than simply swords. They practice their techniques endlessly so that they can fight without having to consider the correct response. They should know it. They go through a quick kata to channel their focus on the upcoming fight.

Agonar and Mo both teach, but neither particularly advocates, the Maxim of Simplicity, which is 'default' for Barbarians who have not ascribed to one of the other schools of thought.

The Maxim of Simplicity just utilizes the default messaging, and is considered to be the largest of all the schools of thought, simply because it's the rhetoric all young Barbarians are fed, and Barbarians aren't commonly big thinkers.