During the game a while ago, I met up with a barb friend of mine. We talked a bit about the things every non-mage does, The latest Uber Death Spell to avoid, MR, that stuff, when someone pops in asking for recruits for some lodge. (no names will be mentioned to protect the guilty.) I thought it would be cool to inquire about joining, since a group like that would make for some good RP. They said I might join, until I decided to be honest and say I wasn't a barbarian, merely visiting a friend. They promptly left. We both thought that was unfair, so I came up with the idea for Otter Lodge. It's a lodge for anyone, be they barbarian, bard, ranger (wilderness or otherwise) or any fingerwaggler( yep, you heard me!) that's willing to use their skills for the good of the Lodge and in need of kindred spirits and support. Basically anyone who's tired of getting the short end of the stick for things like this.

Our little Motto is "Like an otter floating downstream, we flow with the changes of life and battle, coping with any twists or turns they take."

Any help with this getting this idea off the ground is greatly appreciated!


Player of a rather annoyed Commoner

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Um...where exactly?

ok, I was thinking The Social Side as well.

Hey boys.

I'd love it if lodges could invite support personnel, such as Clerics and Empaths <g> to be sort of the clan's designated / preferred healers and Raisers, because DR is, let's face it, an exceedingly Confucian gaming platform when it comes to training weapons. My current amphetamine trip indicates that hunting in parties works exceedingly well if you don't invite magic users.<g>

(In other words, I'd like to be adopted since for IC reasons I can't join the Locksmith Union.)

Love,

Father Ainandil, Cleric of Saemaus

>Nickels says, "They're hiding. They're in their magical boxes."
>Ainandil cackles!
>Gridaksma says, "Can't explain, won't apologize."

I think it more than humorous that not only here on this forum is Ainindil finally realizing the price for being the dill hole that he has been. He's also been pretty well ignored on the Ilithi boards as well when he asked how to join the ranks of the Ilithi militia. Take a hint, Ainy. No one wants to be associated with the likes of you.


Gladiator Maulem~

Read the Barbarian Seven!
http://tinyurl.com/gksan

>Don't feed the trolls.

You have to admit that its too easy to pass up. Ainandil is like a Troll MRE pack, just heat and serve.

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This is my Weapon
This is my Sword.
This one is for frolicking,
And this one's for War!

Maulem can insult with the best of them. He just rarely takes the time to type it out.

Drex
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Gyfford says, "Maulem your wife is giving me a headache."
Maulem says, "Well, at least I'm not th' only one she does that to then."
[Lystid] "do you know the two most important words a married man knows?"
[Maulem] "Itwasn'tme, IsweartoKuniyo?"

Drex flatters me. Really, I only get really good insults in on the egregiously easy opportunities. In a head to head insult-off, I can never think fast enough to do much real damage. That, and I'm generally not an insulting type.

Anyway...

Lodges are/were a good idea for the most part. I'm still not sure what role they'd play, other than from an RP perspective, in the wide picture of the best guild in the game.


Gladiator Maulem~

Read the Barbarian Seven!
http://tinyurl.com/gksan

Let me try to understand. The general consensus in the past has been to work away from being "cookie cutter" barbarians/characters. You all were given choices of which roar/battle cry techniques you wished to choose so you could customize your character. People still wanted to go further and wanted to customize there barbarians/characters with by bringing up the idea of dance/neutral/berserker path to take. That is sort of the case as it exists now, but not really official. Meaning, it depends on how YOU train your character for how they will benefit from what they have available to them. Now another suggestion is brought up about lodges that will make them feel like moon mage sects -- in order to customize your character even further.

In the end, you'll be a Barbarian which is all that should matter (we have people kneel before us - enough said). Is there really such a thing as being a "cookie cutter" barbarian, etc.? I don't think so. You're separated by the fact that practically every person role-plays their character differently. You may or may not use different weapons than one another. Some people know how to use their tools effectively and know how to fight, some are not as proficient. Some people prefer a certain area to hunt/interact with and some people prefer other areas. Your race separates you as a Barbarian, as does your stats and skills, as well as other things mentioned previously.

Going back to the idea about lodges. There's nothing really stopping a group from forming up a lodge if folks want to do that and that doesn't need GM assistance (beyond custom titles if the group survives for a while). Nothing really beats a good solid group of people working together for the same cause(s).

Having GMs divide a guild even further into sub-sections will breed weakness for a few reasons. It just does not seem to be worth the effort when there are other things that could benefit the guild as a whole.

I do like a lot of the ideas you listed, Caitie. Except for free kertig fists, cantrips, and gnome stomping (that should be a gor'tog thing).

My two cents.

<<That, and I'm generally not an insulting type.>>

Easy there Farmer Maulem. You got to start somewhere. :)

- Simon

http://www.phiiskeep.homestead.com/Frontpage.html

http://dr.bookofheroes.com/index.php

<<Everyone has their opinion on whether this is good or not, but to me, I'd like to have a bit more interaction with my guildmates, hence the idea of lodges.>>

Ok, I was referring to Caitie's idea about lodges and her suggestion on the perks. Not on your reason for lodges, Caraamon.

- Simon

http://www.phiiskeep.homestead.com/Frontpage.html

http://dr.bookofheroes.com/index.php

I enjoy the RP idea behind the lodges most of all. I brought up the sect part, because it was a good example of how it could be done and not be an "Order". The extra stuff I mentioned, would be fun, but I don't think any of it is really a requirement.

I think the barbarian guild is really wonky(i like that word) on how 'close knit' it is. It seems a lot of barbarian give each other a 'lip service' of sort and I think friendships can grow from things like our bonfire. I know I've enjoyed the barbarian friends I made from going to the barbarian bonfire.

I agree with Simon, if the Lodges provide some sort of real bonus, such as a bonus to dragon dance if you join the Dragon lodge, then it won't be an RP tool anymore but merely a choice you make to get your character stronger.

I disagree with Simon about our training separating us though. I've never felt the weapon I chose, or roars I picked, or my hunting style, ever separated me from another barbarian. It always felt like, "Hmmm, interesting choices, but I like using Sling and Kuniyo's Rage". Though I guess my primary interaction with other Barbs has been from the bonfire. I focus a lot on training, so I don't get to sit and just babble with others all that often.

I think the Lodges could be very useful, because I think a lot of newer barbarians, and those that have been playing them for years, are not as knowledgable as they could be. How many barbarians have you come across who took Agonar's first roar and has no clue what it actually does? and then when they find out, they wanna shoot themselves in the foot.

I wouldn't mind putting in work to build a lodge. I had one barbarian who wanted me to help him out with the lodge sort of idea, but the RP of his lodge idea, didn't fit with the RP of my barbarian, so it was sort of a wash I suppose. I can do web design, some story righting, who knows.

Caraamon wouldn't let me pay togball, big meanie.

Is there actual Togball rules?

I know I was sitting around with a few others and we started drawing up rules on a sort of CTF style tournament. I think it would be interesting if we could come up with more Barbarian style games that we could have teams for. Togball is nice and all, but its a game that excludes all other races(except the ball). We could always get a gnome mage, shove alcohol down his throat until he blacks out, then play a version of tug a mage. There are lots of problems or things that would have to be ironed out though, like combat.

I bet we could make a brawling only version with tackle/grab/shove, but then if you have one team where one person has 500 brawling, and everyone else is at like 200 brawling, then it would be much of a game. Though I suppose you could have a person stance down.

Hmmm....

Ok, what would you guys think of making "Tug-a-Mage" a real game?

Taking it from a completely mechanics point of view.

You have 2 teams, say 5 people each. No CJs, No Buffs, No Dances. The only moves allowed are non-lethal brawling moves(shove, circle, etc) and drag. The goal being to drag the Mage(i'm sure we could hit one over the head, kill one, whatever) to your goal. The other team tries to stop you by dragging the mage the other way, tackling the dragger, teaming up to detain. I think it would make for some interesting tactics and probably a fairly fun time. What do you guys think?

Hey great idea..... Too bad that's what Togball is, pretty much exactly.

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Caraamon Majerye,
Gor'Tog Barbarian Extrordi...Well somewhat average
Hunta Talna Kortok, built by Gor'Togs, for Gor'Togs
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg2/caraamon/home.html

<<I just wanted to set the record straight on the origional reasons for the attempt. I didn't really care about mechanical stuff, though I was thrilled that Iayn once hinted we might get our own titles if we did it right.>>

Yeah, I thought that was cool in thought/theory. It's only gonna go as far as how other people are motivated to participate with it. It's still a good idea either way.

<<I agree with Simon, if the Lodges provide some sort of real bonus, such as a bonus to dragon dance if you join the Dragon lodge, then it won't be an RP tool anymore but merely a choice you make to get your character stronger.>>

Exactly. I just personally wouldn't think it is in the best interest of the guild to further spread out having something similar to what moon mages have as sects.

<<I disagree with Simon about our training separating us though. I've never felt the weapon I chose, or roars I picked, or my hunting style, ever separated me from another barbarian.>>

It's not necessarily what I believe. It's more of a partial reason from what players have mentioned in the past. People did not want to be "cookie cutter" characters similar to others in their own guild. The splitting of the 4 previous roars into various intimidation techniques and battle cry techniques helped gain more individuality for your own character to satisfy the whole "cookie cutter" dilemma. It wasn't a dilemma previously, just a perceived one, based on the points I made. I used this scenario from the past because it shared similarities toward attempting to satisfy the "cookie cutter" dilemma, even though I'm sure that was not your intent when thinking of those ideas (good ideas nonetheless, but they should be for the entire guild).

<<How many barbarians have you come across who took Agonar's first roar and has no clue what it actually does? and then when they find out, they wanna shoot themselves in the foot.>>

I'm sure there are a decent number of folks who have done that. It is something that could be solved by tinkering around with Agonar (and other guildleaders messaging when they mention their roars).
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Agonar idly thumbs the ebon wolf hung at his neck as he replies, "Roars are more than just sound. They're a tool. Fear is something we've learned to use, over the years, and some of us can use it quite effectively."
"On the other hand, strengthening the hearts of your allies with a ferocious cry of battle is something our guild has had practice doing, but remember that we're not the trained leaders of groups that Paladins are."

He continues, "I can tell you about a few techniques that I'd be able to teach you to use, if you're ready for em. They're the roars Kuniyo's Spirit, Everild's Rage, Trothfang's Butchery, and the battle cry of Pride. Ask me about them if you wish." He sits back and waits for your response.
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BTW, there's a double space between "for and "your" on the last sentence there (when you ask him about roars). Anyway, if Agonar and the other guildleaders could just mention that other GLs know of other intimidation techniques/battle cry techniques that a Barbarian could learn, that would help the situation of a character not knowing that only one guildleader can teach them one section of roars/battle cries.

I think Aurdun may have some ideas for Togball, but who knows. Ask him in the 'Tog folder. :)

- Simon

http://www.phiiskeep.homestead.com/Frontpage.html

http://dr.bookofheroes.com/index.php

>>>Gyfford says, "Maulem your wife is giving me a headache."
Maulem says, "Well, at least I'm not th' only one she does that to then."
[Lystid] "do you know the two most important words a married man knows?"
[Maulem] "Itwasn'tme, IsweartoKuniyo?" MMM


repeat:
>>[Lystid] "do you know the two most important words a married man knows?"<<


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