I am preparing to pull the switch on forgetting. Just in case folks need to get any last-minute re-arranging taken care of!

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"I have no data yet. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts."
- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Sherlock Holmes

I'll allow you the ability to unlearn everything for a few days. Then I'll lock it back down.

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"I have no data yet. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts."
- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Sherlock Holmes

We're not going to be wiped, and that was the countdown to unlearn everything at once the easy way. Pretty sure youre restricted to unlearning one skill a month or so now, so pretty much no hope at changing anything beyond the top tier of your abilities around unless you spend months building empty slots unlearning things from the top on back.

>>Correct, just like the rest of the Guilds.

Not correct. But you've been told that before. And simply ignored it.

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TG, TG, GL, et al.

"Disagreement with the fundamental plan at this point is akin to supporting Richard III vs the Tudors."
-Raesh

>>Thieves don't even get that option.

Not sure if you meant Thieves couldn't unlearn khri at all, or if you meant they couldn't do it with any guild leader. To be clear, under the new khri system they can unlearn a khri from the same guild leader that taught it to them.

FGM Ricinus
Logistics Lead
Magic, Sentients Team Member
Cleric Advocate

<<A magic user can forget 1 spell every 30 days in TC. 1 spell is worth 1-5 spell slots. Barbarians can forget 1 ability every 30 days. 1 ability is worth 1-5 ability slots.

Unless it has changed in the last couple of years magic users can forget 1 spell every 180 days for free, 1 spell every 90 days by paying platinum, and as many spells as desired otherwise by paying both platinum and TDPs. The TDP cost is not negligible or refundable barring a complete respec of all TDPs earned like what happened with DR 3.0.

The barbarian system of one ability every month seems much less painful, tbh.

>>If you look at magic users spells vs Barbarians abilities as trees, the magic users have a much broader, but shallower tree, when compared to Barbarians. The Barbarian tree is very narrow, but deep.

This. Take other magic-tert guilds for example. Say, Rangers. They have 3 spells with 3 prereqs, 2 of which are unlocked with the same exact ability progression. We have abilities and feats with 7 and 8 prereqs. It allows for much less wiggle room in the end of the day, period.

Bards are the same way, the vast majority of their stuff is 1 or 2 prereqs, with some of their most powerful abilities being near the bottom of their tree.

>> I don't really think allowing complete wipes all the time is great game design.

Just to clarify, this is not what I'm after, was just pointing out the fact that the boat we are in is quite dissimilar to the other guilds.

This is getting off topic. Please stop the GvG ranting.

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"I have no data yet. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts."
- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Sherlock Holmes

I disagree, Buuwl. Given the current system, it's a huge, obnoxious pain in the buttocks to change up some of our abilities. I am not a fan of pretending things are cool when they are not. However, that said, hopefully Kodius' other ideas for respecs will help alleviate this issue so long as they come soon. I definitely feel limited with the forget one ability every thirty days connected to an 8 requirement deep ladder. Our abilities are rather costly and now annoying to rearrange.

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"Brace yourselves, Squanto is going to bleh blah fart fart bleh.." -the player of the character formerly known as Pureblade

<<But if you need a tier 1 skill, you have to remove like 7 things (seven months), because your current tier 1 skill is required to have the tier 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8 things. You'd have to remove the 8th one month, the 7th the next, etc. You cannot have the 8th one without the 1st one. It is not as simple as it may sound.

Or if you know you want to be able to change up lower level slots relatively frequently 'spend' one slot on that. I.e. always leave a slot free. That way you just learn the other ability you want then forget the one you don't since all that matters for high tier abilities is the number of abilities known, not which ones. Consider the slot to be a feat.

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<But if you need a tier 1 skill, you have to remove like 7 things (seven months), because your current tier 1 skill is required to have the tier 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8 things.>

Not necessarily, you just need to add another ability to make up the requirement first. The requirement in effect at this point is the eight ability count, not your tier. Once you have added an additional ability then you should be free to drop your tier 1 ability.

For example:
You have the following abilities in the Path of the Predator:
Seek
Eagle
Tornado
Flashflood
Piranha
Owl
Panther
Slash the Shadows
Tribalist

I decide I want Everild's Rage instead of Seek. I can just pick up Everild's Rage first and then forget Seek. If you're already at 150th it makes it a little more difficult because you may not have any training slots left. Then, you would have to forget your highest requirement ability first (in this case, Tribalist), learn Everild's Rage, wait 30 days, forget Seek, and then learn Tribalist again.

<3 u, 2. I really feel we've come a long way in this thread in a short time.

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"Brace yourselves, Squanto is going to bleh blah fart fart bleh.." -the player of the character formerly known as Pureblade