>>Aren't meditations going to be the longest lasting (new) abilities? MR boost in a mediation would be best then IMO.

You need to be out of combat and sitting, though you can take away the sitting part with a feat. Don't last as long as forms either.

I'd personally prefer all the MR abilities as forms and find the restriction to balance it in some other fashion, but it's not the end of the world either way, and I am very much looking forwards to the new abilities. Thanks for holding that meeting Kodius.

Are Meditations teachable in combat? Are all our new skills teachable in combat? I assume it would only be teachable barb to barb.

> Are Meditations teachable in combat?

Meditations are a class of abilities, not a skill, so no.

>>Also - if your voice pool is really low and you have no chance of affecting your victims does it still pull the same amount of IF?

It does, though typically you'll only be expending a lot of IF when 1). Roaring at the area, 2). Using some of the more powerful roars.

If you run out of IF your abilities end, but you don't fall over stunned and wanting for death :P So, some give and some take there.

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I think the voice pool is something shared by every character (for yells) and barbs and bards each have their own systems utilizing it (scream).

>.vocals are going away in 3.0.

That doesn't mean the voice pool is going away. Is it?

If roars now have rountime and cost inner fire, I think it's a reasonable request that that not also have what basically amounts to a cooldown timer, as disabler spells do not.

>>I think the voice pool is something shared by every character (for yells) and barbs and bards each have their own systems utilizing it (scream).

No.

-Raesh

"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose

>Roars now have roundtime, and macros can easily make the only difference between a roar and a snap cast the period of time it takes the game to measure two commands (prep xxxx/cast xxx) versus one comand (roar xxx). If you need a particle accelerator to measure said unit of time, I'm not sure it bears mentioning.


Arent' you exaggerating the comparison a bit? granted my HLC MM isn't active right now to test, but a true snap cast like the one you are describing would fail at any reasonable amount of mana.

I did't know Roar will be having RT, but it would also be interesting to know if the effect takes place before or after the timer.

>Oh yeah, and I don't know of any Guild that gets a Save vs Fear resistance ability, yet.

I say paladin soul pool should work as a passive bonus vs Fear.

And just to convince people I'm totally not saying this because I circled my Paladin to 25 the past couple nites, let's throw in Thief confidence too!

As a balancing act both pools can take a hit on each successful resist.



All of the less cool guilds will just have to work out some kind of active defense :P

> Oh yeah, and I don't know of any Guild that gets a Save vs Fear resistance ability, yet.

Redeemer's Pride.

Oh yeah, and I don't know of any Guild that gets a Save vs Fear resistance ability, yet.

i think old khri sane used to?

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I still don't see how dropping the voice pools from barbs would be breaking anything. It's really no different than snap casting a spell. And much like mana if we don't have enough IF we can't use it. So why are we the only ones with an additional check system?

The voice pool hasn't changed but roars will now use IF as well. So all of our abilities are powered by IF, like spells are powered by mana. But our disabler's (roars) also have to check the voice pool. I just don't think it's fair we have to have a secondary pool for ours. Mojo, confidence and wilderness are all bonuses. If they run out respectively you can still use abilities, roars don't work w/o both voice and IF. How is that balanced?

Cant speak on Mojo or Wilderness bonuses, but Thief confidence can be a hindrance as well as a boon depending on your actions and how much time you've spent dead.

-O

>Cant speak on Mojo or Wilderness bonuses, but Thief confidence can be a hindrance as well as a boon depending on your actions and how much time you've spent dead.

Oh yeah, forgot to address that. Negative confidence is VERY bad and never fun to be the thief who just came back to life. So bad you can't kill anything at level bad. I think if you Khri up its supposed to negate that? but rather than waiting for the hour or two for it to drift back you're just better off finding something easy to spam ambush to build it back up. Confidence feels like a 20% variance on your skills. Cap it out you feel like god mode, tank it and you're the guy trying to woo your date coming out of a cold pool.


>Even losing 1 voice pulse per kill (the lowest possible), you're looking at depletion within a very short time.

According to Phii's Keep pulse recovery is 90 seconds per pulse at 100 vocals. With vocals going away I assume some reasonable baseline will be chosen.
It doesn't seem explicitly stated but from what I can tell you have a maximum of 5 pulses in your voice pool.

Seems reasonable to have 3 incidents of Everild + Death in a 2 minute span. I also never said it was efficient coding but if you're suddenly getting too much creatures ganking you and needed it, you got the 2 minutes to chop them down. Also my char isn't a big barb with all the abilities yet.

If anything was to drop I'd rather see the IF usage from roars go. We'll be having just about every one of our abilities dipping into that inner fire, and I just want us to be able to have long, meaningful fights in the longer lasting combat 3.0 battles.

Of course, I'd rather see how we do when everything is released before being concerned. Let's not forget that even 150+ Barbarians will have a lot of work to do raising those tert skills when everything comes out.

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>you said you could double roar every creature kill and insinuated you have no problem affecting your opponent.

I said I have it attempt to double roar that way my script. I also mentioned it again in my second post that I never claimed it was an efficient script because I didn't feel the necessity to pick up/pay for GeniE.


>If it takes you 90 seconds to kill your opponent than something is off,
>Gorteous, kills on average 3 times that much ask him about efficiency if you are having problems.

I didn't think it was necessary to give a full break down on the math because I thought the description was straight forward when i clearly said "My script roars on kills" and "that it can do so 3 times in 2 minutes seems reasonable"

However, for this but I will do so because its apparently causing confusion:

Barb starts with 5 pulses
Barb roars death & everild = 3 pulses left. 1 "Instance" of 3 as I described in my post

Barb takes 30 seconds to kill one creature. (30 seconds elapsed)
Barb double roars again, 1 pulse left. 2nd "Instance" of 3.

Barb takes 30 seconds to kill one creature. (60 seconds elapsed)
Barb roars 1, fail 1, 0 pulse left (ok so my rough math slightly off here but I didn't think I was in an exam)

Barb takes another 30 seconds to kill another creature. 90 seconds up, pulse goes up by 1
Barb roars 1, fails 1, completes the "3rd Instance" of 3 as I described in my post.

sigh


Here's what happened:

1- I made a post. I honestly don't remember why exactly I set up my script that way but I know for a fact it was done that way because I remember spacing out my type-aheads for that very purpose and I know my hunting scripts are fairly simple and goes back to the top after each critter kill.

2- Before any one nitpicked it, I PROACTIVELY sought out information and came back to post about it, AND corrected myself that this can only happen for three (3) times within a 2 minute span, and further suggested this 2 minute technique is most useful when you're getting swarmed because standard at level hunting doesn't really need the roaring supplement.

3- You decided to relentlessly bash me and nitpick me for post #1, despite agreeing with my corrective post #2.


What exactly do you want me to do for you, sir?

>>Mojo, confidence and wilderness are all bonuses. If they run out respectively you can still use abilities,

For the record, Bard Mojo is a pool, not a bonus like the Wilderness bonus. It's more like IF, in that you cannot use (mojo-fueled) abilities once it is depleted.


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That's a very cool idea.