The situation from that thread was for a beginner type of character (pre-caracals). Combat is incredibly forgiving in the early stages of the creature ladder when creatures do not have extraordinary offensive attacking or special offensive abilities/spells. The improved experience system allows for a much different training approach then what was seen where one required to be at mind lock for optimum experience pulses.

The guy wrote that he came back after a long period of time and it seems like it.

Although, if it's fun and viable for him, why not?

- Simon

<<<I'll be more than willing to up front say I've never had a character over 250's in combat. My overall concern when starting in this thread was the blatant misinformation you were providing to people. I was just speculating out loud after you made several statements that didn't seem to add up.>>>

Hows it misinformation when I myself am using it to great effect? I havent died one time in combat. I died once from running through a room up by theren and I got shot by a rakash ranger I berserked immedietely to break the stun and got shot again by another one but besides that I havent died one time. Ive danced naked in front of critters doing what you teach people not to. You guys keep sticking to the traditions of the past and keep over training evasion to where you have more than your parry. Im going to over train shield, keep multi my highest skill and keep parry uqual or more than shield. I'll bet I can sit in front of four bristle backs in rossmans at 60th doing what you guys say isnt going to be possible.

>You guys keep sticking to the traditions of the past and keep over training evasion to where you have more than your parry.

I am a huge proponent of doing things however you think they should be done; this is a video game. That being said, I have ALWAYS had more parry than shield or evasion, and not once have I had any success in training my character by using no evasion @ level.

Evasion is important for a reason. I won't pretend that I really know why, those who understand the mechanics of this game will gladly explain the calculations, but I can assure you evasion is crucial.

<<keep multi my highest skill>>

Not possible after a certain point, trust me.

Also it's quite possible to stance to zero and berserk stone with plate armor and survive at level... if at level for you is bloodvines or lower. Past a certain point your method will fail.

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I find it odd that you can be surrounded by both a mantle of flame and blades of ice.

Shush, it's magic.. suspend your disbelief

>>i never said i wasnt training evasion. Im just holding back on it until my armors are all passed it.

I'm trying to figure out which post you think said you weren't training evasion. Maybe you should try reading the posts instead?

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TG, TG, GL, et al.
Also: Moo.

>>you guys are making it sound like im neglecting evasion when im not.

No one has said that. As suggested earlier, go back and actually read the posts.

>>AND you trying to be a hero got all huffy and said NO NO NO dont do that THAT thats WRONG! 0 EVASION is BAD!

It is wrong. Do not do it. It is a bad habit to get into. You have to wonder, when everyone say you are wrong, perhaps it's time to contemplate your position.

>>make a character with a combat skill past savant and than get back to me dude.

Put down the bong and get back to me.

Since you don't seem to understand WHY stance evasion 0 is bad, here is a quick and dirty lesson for you.

When an attack is made, it has a number associated with it, well call it an OF (Offensive Factor). Now that OF is checked against several things, in the following order. For the sake of this argument, barrier spells, and spells such as SOP, are not considered.

Active Defenses:
1. Evasion is ALWAYS first. PERIOD. If you do not fully evade, evasion reduces the OF based on how much you evaded (how good you 'rolled').
2. Either Parry or Shield, which ever you have more effective ranks in. If you do not fully parry or block the attack, the OF is reduced (by a much smaller margin).
3. Repeat step two for the smaller defense.
4. Armor is checked.
Anything left over is converted to damage.

The important part above is in step 2/3 is:

If you do not fully parry or block the attack, the OF is reduced (by a much smaller margin).

Effectively, evasion has a multiplier for how much it can reduce the OF for compared to Parry/Shield. Or you could think of it as parry/shield having a fractional multiplier for how much they can reduce the OF. In effect, Parry/Shield do NOT reduce OF at all when compared to evasion on a rank to rank basis. So much so that until the last year or so it was thought to be that they didn't reduce OF at all. Either it was parried/blocked or NOT. If it wasn't full parry, no OF reduction occurred. I would estimate that the reduction is within the rng range.

Which means at lower levels (where you are making the comparison) the differences are negligible, as you are working with VERY low ranks of evasion to begin with, since armor reduces effective evasion ranks, especially at lower armor ranks.

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TG, TG, GL, et al.
Also: Moo.

whats up grim you down to rumble?

I'll transfer darthanyo from my bohlera account to my bohlera2 account tomorrow if you want to have a friendly spar. best 2 out of 3 old school versus new school and if you havent been able to build a character that can beat mine in my 5 year absense i'll laugh. with all the new tools like hunt and no more hiding timers theres no excuse to why a new character cant beat a old system character from 5 years ago.

<<<Active Defenses:
1. Evasion is ALWAYS first. PERIOD. If you do not fully evade, evasion reduces the OF based on how much you evaded (how good you 'rolled').
2. Either Parry or Shield, which ever you have more effective ranks in. If you do not fully parry or block the attack, the OF is reduced (by a much smaller margin).
3. Repeat step two for the smaller defense.
4. Armor is checked.
Anything left over is converted to damage.>>>

yeah yeah yeah i know how the system does the rolls. What you are not taking into account is my defenses are and will always be about 10 - 20 circles higher than my level.

Oh yeah, welcome back. I wouldn't suggest placing evasion at 0 (mainly at the upper skill levels) but whatever floats your boat. Do your thing.

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Vinjince Rexem'lor

>>yeah yeah yeah i know how the system does the rolls. What you are not taking into account is my defenses are and will always be about 10 - 20 circles higher than my level.

LOL. Again. Level/Circle on the whole has nothing to do with this, it was brought up in the first place (especially at circle 16) as an indicator of lower ranks(overall not in relation to circle).

You also cut out/missed the actual important part. GG. Continue putting that foot in your mouth.

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TG, TG, GL, et al.
Also: Moo.

Well it's interesting.....Let us know when you get to a critter where you can't stance shield/parry anymore, I'm curious


Vote DR as TOP MUD: http://www.topmudsites.com/vote-cemm.html

Shield/Parry stance with staff sling ftw.

>MY goal is to beat my friend normans record to 90th in 28 months.

That is pathetically easy with all the EXP changes.

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Formerly Known As Nitish

>Alisyn edges away from you.

Dude. Darthanyo wasn't that good. He got completely clowned at the Kaith Kirm in 1 hit. It was embarrasing to watch. I know, because I had to win our 4on4 without you.

Talk smack at the cem or the xing bank spars.

and no you lost dude stop lieing our team got annialated

<<<Dude. Darthanyo wasn't that good. He got completely clowned at the Kaith Kirm in 1 hit. It was embarrasing to watch. I know, because I had to win our 4on4 without you.

Talk smack at the cem or the xing bank spars.

alright you've had 5 years to build your character up. So yeah you are stronger than darth NOW but back at the time of the kaith kirm darth coulve beat everyone that was on his team at the same time... the team that beat us had a beast named occhi even with darth's 220 hiding and panther going he could see darth hide. NO ONE on my team could see me hide, unhide, hide, unhide about twenty times. I KNOW cause i tried on everybody in the game to gauge their strength. Im not even sure I know who you are but im if you are who i think you are dude you were scared to spar me back than even though you'll never admit it now. Darths skills for his level and at that time were damn good. Their was only two people darths level that beat him easily everytime one was vinjince with his nasty LT and perception and the other was person was not you.

<<<Again, you should probably stick to observing on the forums rather than posting four times in a row.

And again, contact me (VashirDR on AIM is easiest) and we can see how your uber character stands up to my Barbarian. This is my tenth month playing him.

Ive gotten my new characters perception to almost 110 in 16 days. It took people months to do that when i stopped playing... You want to spar a barbarian built in a time where it was harder to train all pvp skills. WOW your really good. Tell you what I'll see if I can pass you with jaguarz and if I can than we will know who the better trainer is.

and sorry about the posting repeatedly but that dude had got me heated and I still had more to say after every post.

<<<You realize that for about half the time I've been training Vashir we were still under the old exp system, right?

Nah I didnt know that. Furthermore I dont want to fight anyone. This all started with me telling someone that going off the stats he posted i thought he should be able to handle 3 - 4 blood wolves if he changed his stance over to parry /shield, shield/evasion. Anyways a person with 250 in combats started giving me hell for trying to help so i stepped to that person thats all it was... Tell you what why dont you roll up another barbarian and in... lets say 2 months we will spar with our lowbies just to see whos better at training barbarians. That seems like a more fair contest.

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-Evran

Crackling with unspent rage since 386A.V.

>Furthermore I wouldn't go so far as saying I'm 'good' at training Barbarians, considering Vash's embarassingly low hiding, skinning, and box skills.

Skinning is the biggest mistake. I shall shower myself in coins while you continue to gain nothing for your endeavors.