>>besides, it would all be very impressive if the skills were worked for and earned, anyone can activate a script then go to bed or watch TV

Are you saying it takes some sort of rare genius to sit there and repeatedly enter the same commands?

Never implied that at all but it takes a lot more work and a lot more effort to work for skills instead of just zombie for em heh

Thanatarr

>>Never implied that at all but it takes a lot more work and a lot more effort to work for skills instead of just zombie for em heh

So what you're trying to say is that your box of toothpicks is better than his because you spent a year whittling branches down to toothpick size by hand while he had a machine do the work for him in a day? It's not impressive that you spent 7, 8, or however many years of your life building up your character. Get over yourself.

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Auroch clamps his fist around your forearm and hauls you over for a merciless Barbarian greeting. Stifling a grimace, you wonder if you'll ever wield a weapon again.

Its apples and oranges. You cannot possibly compare TF characters to Prime characters. On a side note, to pretend our prime characters could take any TF players' is a laugh. They'd wipe the table with us. That doesn't make us inferior, or them cheap for scripting, its the nature of the beast. TF and Primer are seperate games for a reason.

On a side note, if you could see the elaborate scripts the TF guys make, you'd be very very impressed. You'd think it'd be constant zombies running around, but theres actually a ton of interaction in TF (with the chatter verb.)


Just my 2 cents.

So what you're trying to say is that your box of toothpicks is better than his because you spent a year whittling branches down to toothpick size by hand while he had a machine do the work for him in a day? It's not impressive that you spent 7, 8, or however many years of your life building up your character. Get over yourself.


It's a hell of a lot more impressive when someone actually shows a lil dedication and hard work than takin the easy way out and just runnin a script and walkin away. so maybe ya should shut yer yap and maybe YOU should get over yerself.

Thanatarr

Heh well said Bro. and for those of you that use scripts while yer at the computer I never intended to lump you in with the zombies so i apologize if ya thought I did. the ones I'm talkin about are the AFK scripters. in my opinion they are a bunch of losers that script up real high so that when they finaly decide to learn how to play the damn game they can be snerts with near impugnity.


Thanatog

<<On a side note, to pretend our prime characters could take any TF players' is a laugh. >>

Not necisarily, I would think people that are presemt day in and day out, typing in commands, or macros with their characters have much more versatility and good judgement with their characters then ones that are not....just from pure experience being there, and battling out 'tough' enemies and learning what to do when you're losing a battle. I would assume that most TF players fight in places they are pretty sure they will rarely ever die, while prime characters will tend to fight at level or sometimes a bit above level for extra experience or fun. So like someone said it's apples to oranges, but same circle vs. same circle, my money would be on the prime character, just because of the person controlling them.

That aside, there are probably TF players well experienced as well, so I am not saying ALL, just better than avg.

Codiax.

p.s. Merry Christmas btw, its 12:00 am eastern right now :)


Why kill yourself when you can kill others

Depends on the training style. I'd say people in TF tend to train for circling moreso than people in Prime; so if you were to pit two people of equal circle against each other, one from TF and the other from Prime, the one from Prime probably would have more ranks overall, more TDPs, and higher stats.

But I'm sure there are plenty of people in TF who way overtrain their circling requirements too.

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Marksman Ahmir Nam'al

"That is why I have chosen DR and stayed with it for 2-6 years. Time is confusing to me." -Aiwix

PS: Oh my god they're called IMs. They're not pigeons. Nor are they pidgeons or pidgions or pidgins.

>>So what you're trying to say is; that your scripted character is more impressive than the characters of folk's that put character into their characters? I am impressed by folks that dont combat script. Ain't heard anyone come on the boards and say "You know, I am impressed by how well you have scripted your character (cept TF)..."

I play in Prime and the only combat script I've ever used was for backtraining a bunch of weapons in a hunting area that held 0 danger for me, so don't assume things; you know what they say. Anyway, it's still idiotic to say your character is better than a scripted one just because you typed your commands by hand. A rank is a rank is a rank is a rank is a rank.

>>I enjoy squashing anyone's scripted monkey around my circle just to prove what a poor training method it is. Come prove me wrong, I will wear a cute yellow dress for the rest of my Elanthian life and donate 100 plat to the new arena fund. We can spar melee or grappled or ranged or hunt or forge, or fold cute lil paper things or just drink and you can enlighten me about how good you are.

How exactly is it a poor training method again? It still gains you ranks, or do you get some sort of "super ranks" for not using scripts? A "scripted monkey" with identical skills as you is going to put up the same fight as you (player skill differences aside). Besides, circle is a poor indicator of a character's power when you intentionally don't level up when you can and/or train certain combat skills up to the number of ranks required to be 10-20 or more circles higher than your character currently is.

BTW, my character is level 25, so trying to pick a text fight with me isn't going to prove anything.

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Auroch clamps his fist around your forearm and hauls you over for a merciless Barbarian greeting. Stifling a grimace, you wonder if you'll ever wield a weapon again.

<<Anyway, it's still idiotic to say your character is better than a scripted one just because you typed your commands by hand. A rank is a rank is a rank is a rank is a rank.>>

That statement right there tells me flat out you have no idea at all what the differences are (imagination). I would bet the price of a ship if you brought a 62 barb from TF, I would wipe the floor with him, and at 25th I would have not even bothered pulling out a weapon to whip your scrawny carcass. There are a lot of prime characters that could kill scripted characters at the same levels. The simple fact that you are using a script to train screams out that you do not have the patience to do it yourself, that lack of patience is why a scripted character will circle faster and be less skilled for it. Or, I could be wrong.

<<Besides, circle is a poor indicator of a character's power when you intentionally don't level up when you can and/or train certain combat skills up to the number of ranks required to be 10-20 or more circles higher than your character currently is.>>

Nice, it points out the lack of imagination perfectly. Circle is only a poor indicator if you happen to be joe average barb, for the rest of Elanthia a barbs circle tells you exactly what his primary weapon skill is and is the best indicator we have for a persons ability. You cannot fathom a different way to be a better character which is why all combat scripters will always be losers and girlie barbs. You may claim anything you wish, but I am willing to put my money where my training is.

You are Death's Messenger Sleigher Dahorrid of the Rissan Home Guard, a Prydaen Barbarian.

I assume sleigher is referring to OOC player experience, both with generalistic aspects (ie, a 62nd barb) and ones much more personal (ie, Sleigher's 62nd barb). As hand-trained characters generally level much slower due to a variety of factors (player fatigue, more time between commands, etc), they spent more time familiarizing themselves with the little quirks and nuances of each ability/rank/skill/etc they acquire.

This, however, should be something any player of any type approaching Sleigher's career, skill, and understanding of the game would already know so I can only assume he's just acting like Diomid.

J'Lo, no that other one

<<Anyway, it's still idiotic to say your character is better than a scripted one just because you typed your commands by hand. A rank is a rank is a rank is a rank is a rank.>>

That statement right there tells me flat out you have no idea at all what the differences are (imagination). I would bet the price of a ship if you brought a 62 barb from TF, I would wipe the floor with him, and at 25th I would have not even bothered pulling out a weapon to whip your scrawny carcass. There are a lot of prime characters that could kill scripted characters at the same levels. The simple fact that you are using a script to train screams out that you do not have the patience to do it yourself (except for those with medical reasons), that lack of patience is why a scripted character will circle faster and be less skilled for it. Or, I could be wrong.

<<Besides, circle is a poor indicator of a character's power when you intentionally don't level up when you can and/or train certain combat skills up to the number of ranks required to be 10-20 or more circles higher than your character currently is.>>

Nice, it points out the lack of imagination perfectly. Circle tells us within 6 ranks what a barbs best weapon skill is and is the best indicator we have for a persons ability. Its only a poor indicator when you have been on the receiving end of a butt-kicking by someone that is a lower circle. Who is this guy I always hear of that intentionally doesn't level up when he can? I would be happy to spar with him. You may claim anything you wish, but I am willing to put my money where my training is.


You are Death's Messenger Sleigher Dahorrid of the Rissan Home Guard, a Prydaen Barbarian.

I'm not sure why you responded to my post twice (an attempt at added emphasis maybe?), but I'll just reply to your second post.

>>That statement right there tells me flat out you have no idea at all what the differences are (imagination). I would bet the price of a ship if you brought a 62 barb from TF, I would wipe the floor with him

And that statement right there tells me flat out you have no idea what you're talking about. Scripting does not automatically make people in TF or Prime not know how to train their characters, nor does it mean they only follow the minimum required ranks for any given circle. A scripted level 62 barbarian could very well have the same ranks as you, so, once again, tell me how your super "typed in" ranks are better than scripted ranks.

>>and at 25th I would have not even bothered pulling out a weapon to whip your scrawny carcass.

That's great, your 62nd Barbarian can beat my "scrawny" level 25 Barbarian. I'm impressed. Want a prize?

>>There are a lot of prime characters that could kill scripted characters at the same levels.

And there are a lot of scripted characters that could kill prime characters at the same levels. And a lot of prime characters are scripted characters. A lot are even AFK scripted characters. I'm not implying that anyone is doing that now, but as has already been pointed out, most of the super high level characters were, at one point, trained this way. Regardless, it proves nothing.

>>The simple fact that you are using a script to train screams out that you do not have the patience to do it yourself (except for those with medical reasons)

Do you completely lack reading comprehension? I already stated that I don't generally use combat scripts to train. The one exception being running SFHunter for a few hours to train most weapons that I had 0 ranks in up to about 35 or so.

>>that lack of patience is why a scripted character will circle faster and be less skilled for it. Or, I could be wrong.

You're wrong. Scripting has absolutely zero to do with how much skill the player or the character has. Someone could just as easily make a script that trains all 22 weapons up to ungodly ranks as they could to make a script that let's them train to the guild's minimum requirements, so please, shut the hell up.

>>Nice, it points out the lack of imagination perfectly. Circle tells us within 6 ranks what a barbs best weapon skill is and is the best indicator we have for a persons ability. Its only a poor indicator when you have been on the receiving end of a butt-kicking by someone that is a lower circle.

When I say it's a poor indicator, I mean that it tells nothing about how the character is trained. They could be 62nd at guild minimum requirements or they could be trained like yours and most other characters nowadays with way more defenses than is required for their circle. What I'd like to see, however impossible it may be, is a matchup between two characters not of equal circle, but rather, equal time spent training. One who is set up like your character with X ranks in however many weapons and defenses way above their circle, and another that was simply power-leveled at guild minimums. Think you could take down a 100th barbarian that was power-trained to the guild minimums?

>>Who is this guy I always hear of that intentionally doesn't level up when he can? I would be happy to spar with him. You may claim anything you wish, but I am willing to put my money where my training is.

Countless times, I've read people state on these boards about how they were holding off on circling until they met a personal goal of X ranks of whatever skill or some other crap like that. I even seem to remember seeing you post something like that before. Of course, I could be wrong on that since it was a long time ago. I've also seen others do the same when there's an upcoming circle based tournament, and if they circled again, they'd get bumped into a higher bracket where they, gasp, might actually have fight someone of the same skill rank as them.

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Auroch clamps his fist around your forearm and hauls you over for a merciless Barbarian greeting. Stifling a grimace, you wonder if you'll ever wield a weapon again.

Naaaaa

When you script one that can come hunt with me then I will be impressed and will bow to your wisdom.

I've had better conflicts between two origami...while I was holding both of them.

I am --- Navak

>>I don't script combat much either, if for nothing else I don't want people thinking I'm a zombie.

That's about the biggest drawback I can think of at the moment. Trying to roleplay while the script is rolling on sometimes people end up with the wrong impression (That I'm AFK). Someone comes in and waves or hugs me and I try to hug them back only to be caught in RT. They stand there while I'm stuck and run off right before it ends and it leaves em thinking I'm AFK when really I just don't want to have to stop the script and restart again.

But script checks are easy to pass cause they last for 10 minutes.


-Teeklin

"I am a leaf in the wind. Watch how I soar."

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

>>After giving you the smackdown barehanded vs your best weapons I would tend to think you should try to stay away from conflicts, or perhaps use the empaths conflict folder.

That was a fight in the pit, I have to fight somewhat fairly there. I tend to avoid "fair" fights since they're that much easier to lose.

I am --- Navak

<<That was a fight in the pit, I have to fight somewhat fairly there. I tend to avoid "fair" fights since they're that much easier to lose.>>

That is a pretty twisted view of fighting. What do you do "cheat" every time? Do you script combat? Maybe you should just conflict with your origami. A pretty colored lil animal in each hand playing roshambo sounds about right. Maybe if we get em wet you can roar your way out of em.

conflict that

>In a real conflict you do whatever it takes to win.

In the pit, the only 2 skills or abilities barbs are limited by are ranged (ok, dual load) and hiding. Where is the rub?

I'm not sure how to take that comment, Kor. I'll assume I'm wrong. Please enlighten me in the context of a barb "cheating" inside or outside of the pit.

Without those 2(3) things, is anything really different?

<<When Navak goes out to kill someone, he goes out to kill someone, not play patty-cake.>>

It sounds like a lotta playing around to me there big guy, ye got singing an origami an patty-cake all goin on. More swingin, less singing maybe.