That's stupid, why would an entire justice system forget about someone breaking the law just because some time has passed?

No, it's stupid. That's not the reason the statute of limitations was created. It doesn't exist for a felon to flee an area and wait out the authorities ability to "capture" them until they forget.

If you can see criminal acts becoming white noise and the local jurisdictions not recalling the entire situation as a whole maybe you can see extradition among provinces as well?

Why would the crimes vanish when like you said, a giant poster with someone's face is hung up?

>1) the wanted board isn't the size of the great wall of china.

No, but it's pretty large and as people are arrested they take those down so it doesn't become too saturated with criminals.

>2) every crime probably doesn't get the same size poster and/or prominence - WANTED: BILL FOR CRIMES AGAINST THE STATE probably doesn't go right next to WANTED: ROY FOR SCOWLING AT AN EMPATH

No, but every crime does get a wanted poster as you can see by walking next to it and looking. I'm sure the guards have daily meetings or are at least as part of their job look at it to be on the lookout for criminals.

>3) The provinces doesn't reprint the posters of every criminal on a weekly basis, so things will fall off the board, or fade, or etc etc justifiable rationality.

They seem pretty sturdy to me, I've seen wanted criminals on those poster boards for years.

>4) It's silly to believe that the civilized areas of Elanthia have a perfect arrest record as long as someone's name is known

Those provinces have lots of great guards with amazing memories.

>5) No one cares that much about petty crimes

It's income, I'm sure they do care about it.

I think it's because we, in Elanthia, live in a futuristic society where the guards are all patrolling robots with infinite memory storage. Our robotic overlords have no need for such mundane things as eating, sleeping or forgetting.

That said, I fully support the idea of being able to eliminate 'minor' crimes. I even posted a suggestion about bribing public officials over in the thief suggestions folder a few days ago. Perhaps that should be broadened to the general adventuring citizenry. It might even add a benefit to being a citizen of a province.

While I agree the term is off, I like all of the concepts within, bribing seems great, anyone for smuggling?

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>At this point I'm just amused that someone is so vehemently against this idea.

>Great. I still doubt a board in the town green could accurately reflect not just every major crime that takes place in a large population, but even petty things like pickpocketing, spitting, etc.

>I feel it's important to point out that I don't think anyone is talking about having murder and crimes against the state and forbidden practices easily disappearing (or even being remove at all). This seems to be more a discussion about very petty criminal acts.

Well I'm against it because its just a way people can get away with breaking laws and not having to deal with the consequences, it serves no purpose other than a hey, I wracked up a huge fine I don't feel like paying, let me move away for a little bit and have that all disappear. There's no good solid reason why this should even be considered.

>Right. And I'm sure that major criminals take more priority than petty ones. Right now, it seems like the system doesn't mechanically differentiate, and it would be good for game lore to also differentiate. One way is by not having the law of the land caring that much that some Halfling named Bob spit on the sidewalk six months ago.

The justice system was developed for a reason, there's crimes other than murder that are punishable. It seems your real problem has to do with certain acts being considered a crime, not with an individual committing a crime, being reported to the authorities, and made wanted. If your issue is that people are getting arrested for spitting on the sidewalk months after it happened then maybe you can _Role_Play a petition and have that not be illegal, instead of pardoning people from punishable acts after a certain time has elapsed, that's just asinine. Hey brosef, I know you stole from 5 different shops, got caught and the shop owners are wanting us to prosecute, but well 6 months have passed so everything is all good now we really don't care anymore. Keep the stolen goods, we'll make up something to those shop owners like we fined you just keep it on the DL, you feel me?

>For some reason, I think you expect too much out of rank and file citizenry.

>Just say you dislike the idea because you dislike the idea. You're getting a bit... silly... in your argument that no crimes can ever be forgotten because of Zoluren's uber-guards who remember every criminal act ever and the determination to treat a sidewalk spitter as serious as a serial killer.

I dislike the idea because it's stupid and asinine. Why not just get rid of all the minor offences then and have murder and other more heinous acts only trigger the justice system? The only purpose of a change like this I can fathom is to avoid going to jail for breaking the law and/or avoiding having to pay fines, how is that going to provide a much more rich environment?

Again, why should crimes be forgotten? An act was committed, not only was it committed it was also witnessed and reported to the authorities. Why then pardon it, or

and really...silly? One of your reasons why crimes should be forgotten is because "The wanted board would be too big." srs?

P.S. There's around 20 currently wanted in Prime. Such a huge amount for our rank and file to have to deal with, better get that Durgaulda sized Wanted Board started. They might run out of space on the Town Green one.

>Joe Smith, an initiate WM , got into a few scrapes with the law. Never anything major, petty things, he was rather poor, stole a load of bread to feed his family. He has become more skilled as a mage through practice, can hunt higher-tiered critters, is thus wealthier and able to provide better, has moved out of Zoluren and taken up residence in Riverhaven. He hasn't been in Zoluren in 6 months. Upon visiting, he is immediately taken to jail for his crimes, never mind that there is an invasion of... say piraates, and the guards are in an uproar, they still remember this petty bread pilferer and arrest him on the spot.

Poor Joe Smith still broke the law, regardless of the circumstance. He was caught stealing and Steve the shop owner is seeking restitution. You see, Steve had been pilfered three other times that day and has lost significant income to be able to provide for his family. He can not afford milk to feed his newborn baby, but Steve, unlike Poor Joe Smith found other measns to make up that lost money like collecting branches for Mags. Instead of dealing with the consequences though, Joe Smith the initiate Warrior Mage decides to flee Zoluren and move to Riverhaven to willfully avoid dealing with the law. Now that some time has passed Joe Smith wants to come back to Zoluren and pretend like his actions didn't happen under the premise that now he can provide for himself? Joe Smith should be taken to jail and presumably spend more time and be fined more due to attempting to evade the law.

I will agree during invasions it doesn't make sense to have auto arrest enabled since the guards have their handful;however "forgetting" crimes isn't the answer. Maybe turning off auto-arrest during the invasion is.

>You seriously seem to be missing the difference between serious crimes and petty crimes.

No not really, you can commit multiple petty crimes each having their own charge. See stealing and getting caught from 7 different shops. Multiple instances of endangering the public.

>The justice system is an OOC mechanic. We're talking about ways it can be seen more IC.

No, it really isn't.

>Not really.

>More like, "no one remembers your face all that well and the guards more recent/serious crimes to address"

>You seem to think it would function, ICly, as "the town guard forgive you because they make a conscious choice to get over what you did". It's more a case of "the case behind the crime is old, time goes on, people don't have the best long term memories when it comes to some stuff"

>Sometimes, crimes go unsolved. Many times that is because the criminal knows not to stick around and keep doing the same thing.

Yes really.

There's a wanted board, posted upon said wanted board is a poster calling for said persons arrest. Guards also keep citation journals as well, so please explain where long term memories are required again and how charges which have been physically recorded will disappear after a cooldown period due to shoddy memory. kthx.

Sure, sometimes crimes go unsolved because of mechanic limitations like staying outside of town to avoid being arrested. Sometimes criminals show their faces again and are caught though because they broke the law.

>Who knows. Maybe the OP likes the idea of being a fugitive who can actually win at being a fugitive or someone who knows to get out of dodge, as opposed to the guards eternally knowing that you stole a flower from a lady ten years ago.

You can be a fugitive with the current system, stay out of town. You can also come back in town and have a chance of being caught and going to jail. Ala what a fugitive has to deal with on a constant basis. However, in this game being a fugitive only occurs when you're in town since guards won't pursue outside the borders. Not sure the relevance in your comment about this, but ok.

>No one said they were being pardoned. You seem to be confusing "they'll never catch the suspect because the crime is X days/weeks/months/years old" with the crime being forgiven.

You seem to fail to understand how those crimes will be forgotten. See above. Also, see the Subject of this post. Now google the subject of this post, read about it and come to the realization of what the subject of this post means.

>I'm rather certain that, throughout this discussion, it's been said that if you keep committing crimes, you would have failed at the whole staying off the crime-radar thing that would make the case go cold.

You realize you can perform multiple crimes in a matter of minutes which all add up right? I can choose to steal from 5 shops and get busted at each one before I'm caught by the guards. Then once those crimes have been committed you can flee and "stay off the radar?" How long have you played this game for?

>>No, it really isn't.

...yes, it is. The fact that every crime is always solvable and even if you spat on the sidewalk 50 years ago the town guards will treat you the same as if you did it ten seconds ago because "they remember stuff really really well" is due to the mechanics. There's nothing I'm aware of that ICly explains why guards are capable of remembering every crime in the history of forever.

Please re-read previous post about citation journals and posters on the wanted board about an IC way guards are capable of remembering every crime.

>>You seem to fail to understand how those crimes will be forgotten.

Because time goes on. Do you think the NYPD stays on constant vigilance for people who are suspected of crimes from decades ago? No. Cases go cold. They stop aggressively perusing people. Things go unsolved.

Do you think that if a criminal surfaces after 6-8-24 months the NYPD won't do anything about it? Go perform credit card fraud, leave the country for a few years and attempt to re-enter and resume your life. I wonder if you'll get arrested.

>>You realize you can perform multiple crimes in a matter of minutes which all add up right? I can choose to steal from 5 shops and get busted at each one before I'm caught by the guards. Then once those crimes have been committed you can flee and "stay off the radar?" How long have you played this game for?

This conversation would go a lot better if you read what I wrote before you wrote back a response.

>>I think the idea is that the average beat cop doesn't know you exist. They don't remember your face 2 years down the line. Sure, there are wanted posters, but the typical cop won't recognize you unless he's looking at the poster. If the criminal does something to bring his name up, the cop will notice; but if the criminal stays quiet, chances are quite good that he'll be able to walk right by that police cruiser on the corner with nobody the wiser.

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I think that the current justice system is rather pitiful, and if its going to stay well, fine. I'm still going to play the game.

I however don't know where your coming from with most of your arguments Heastrenfhero.

Face is most people won't be able to stay off the radar, because they need to script their stealing ranks up, so they'll stay on the list indefinitely.

Personally I'd like a more interactive justice system, heck I think that people teaching stealing in justice zones should be as bad as stealing, and have guards come to that location, because of suspicious activity and whatever else.

I like the concept of having crimes being part of the Necromacer's SO, and SO being more affluent.

Of course from the 2010 Goals: Justice and/or System Updates to Handle Deportation, Exile, or Incarceration.

Love that too.

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