Nothing like giving a novice a plat to go armor shopping and having someone take it all.

No interaction, no perception learning, no nothing. Just gone by the time he went to purchase, after standing in the shop for a while.

Hope you're proud of yourself, whoever it was. Totally made the game a better place for everyone with your non-interaction.

>You play a thief and you gripe about someone stealing

I don't steal from players, because I view it as game-sanctioned griefing. Never have. Taking resources from other players isn't a thing I view as a positive in an online game.

1. Losing money, especially a plat, isn't the end of the world.
2. A savvy roleplayer, even/especially a newbie, can turn this experience into not only an enjoyable one with the right attitude, but even more money.
3. The definition of griefing is not, contrary to popular opinion, "anything someone can do that can potentially negatively affect another person."

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Personally, and you're free to disagree, but stealing something and not being noticed is pretty much right on par for roleplaying as a Thief. Expecting them to break that and reveal themselves just for their victim to interact with is kinda silly.

Complaining about a thief stealing something and not being caught is on the same level as complaining about a fireman using water to extinguish a fire.

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To be clear, it is on the same level. You're complaining the manner in which someone does the job, not the job being done.

Stealing something and then revealing yourself to taunt the victim is a personal choice, not something that should ever be forced. If I want to rub it in your face that you're an easy mark, fine. But if I don't want anyone to ever know it was me in the first place, that should be fine too.

Speaking for myself, if I ever see any novice walking around with a platinum (or more) then I suspect they have a backer or they're an alt. Which, in my mind, makes them completely fair game to be stolen from.

>As is, he added nothing to enrich the game.

Not everyone is playing to make the game more rich or interactive. Some folks are simply playing their role as best they can.

>It's not challenging, it's not interesting, it's just boring and petty.

It's quick money from an easy mark. Pretty much exactly what a thief would do in the real world.

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Handing someone 1 platinum is asking them to get robbed. Next time hand him 100 silver instead of 1 platinum.

>>Player stealing is awesome and some of the most fun I have in this guild.

can't you still guard person to prevent the theft? years ago there were groups of thieves that worked the ferry locations kind of like thugs. they ROLE PLAYED THUGS, they died at times. they did frustrate some people but as a player i respected their efforts to keep conflicts in character not personal. Some of the thieves working an area had their own codes of ethics. One guy would not steal from someone who befriended his character or helped him in any way but anyone else was fair game. Just because a person chooses to steal from players does not make him a griefer. Some of my characters best friends started the friendships over being stolen from and role playing it out.


Just a feeble old swamp shaman

Isn't there newbie protection for coins anyways? Assuming he was a true newbie? And not a lowbie or something.

Not sure why stealing from a newbie can't be good RP and bad form at the same time.

If Armifer decided to drop a dozen xala'shar on my character while in a long forging RT it would be completely fine RP-wise but I'd also find it a bit jerkish for him to do.

I think this goes back to deciding how much you value mutual/collective enjoyment of an RP situation when deciding to do what your character does. Some people care if others are having fun, others don't. I know I value it a lot so I RP in a manner that hopefully facilitates collective enjoyment than not, but different strokes for different folks.

Of course, the tricky thing is that mutual enjoyment goes both ways. Going to my xala'shar example, it would also be poor form if I got annoyed anytime Armifer sent xala'shar, ever, because I'd be pushing for the RP to only do what I wanted it to do.

Getting that middle ground where everyone has fun and enjoys the RP can be a hard needle to thread, and IMO my cynical view is that most people on both sides don't want to compromise.

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>good experience for role-playing

Anything that happens to your character within a roleplaying game is an opportunity to have a roleplaying experience. Granted, you may not always have one with the person who afflicted you, but you could still have one all on your own.

>"you should role-play with the person"

Well, truthfully, you should roleplay with everyone all the time. It is a roleplaying game after all, right?

>I wish those who will say they same old thing about role-playing would shut it til they actually have clue.

Having a different opinion does not mean one does not "have a clue" just means they see things differently. Not really anything wrong with that at all.

>Yes I want to role-play but I find those that tend to steal and kill other are not role-playing they are mechanic players.

This is a rather obtuse view to have on things. If the character you play is a sneaky thief who never wants to be caught, then stealing something and getting away with it (regardless if it's from a player or NPC or store) is pretty much right in your line of acceptable roleplay. Likewise, if your character is a brutish thug who likes to flex on anyone you deem to be weak, well that's also roleplay. I understand it can be hard sometimes to ignore mechanics, because they are there and there is policy that applies to them, but you should really do your very best to act and react to things as your character would. Not how you, the player of a game, would.

>Yes I have a thief, I rarely steal from other players. I only use it when I see someone is picking on others. (shoplifting teaches WAY better) I think I can count on one hand how many times this has happened.

By all means, if you want to do the whole Robin Hood or "honorable thief" thing then it's within your right to roleplay that role. Just like folks who roleplay a different role are perfectly within their rights to do that. The beauty of multi-player roleplaying games is that there are many people who are all playing different roles. If we all did the same thing it would be incredibly boring.

>Lets face it stealing from each other teaches next to nothing; always has.

It's not all about what will teach well. Some people want to make some quick and easy coin, so a novice walking around with more money than a novice should have is a prime target for easy money. Some people are just mean for the sake of being mean. Some people might have a grudge against one or more parties involved in the situation. Who knows? But, saying that they shouldn't do it because they won't advance skills is a prime example of not detaching you the player from the character you are playing.

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>>Anything that happens to your character within a roleplaying game is an opportunity to have a roleplaying experience.

>Doesn't automatically make it a fun/enjoyable one, though.

That's pretty true and I can totally agree with that statement.

>They shouldn't complain and give up if something doesn't go 100% their way during an event.

Yeah, sadly a lot of folks do this. While it's a valid option, to leave or log out if something isn't enjoyable, it's not always the best option because it effectively kills that line of roleplay as far as that character is concerned.

>any thread involving Therengia-based RP tends to show

Yeah, this pretty much bugs the heck out of me. At one point in time, Therengia was a vertible hotbed for fun roleplaying opportunities. Though these days it's become "the place to hate" for various reasons. I've always stood by the fact that even if folks hate it, it's still viable because each of the provinces need to have a different feel to them in order to avoid "cookie cutter" settings.

And, to bring this full circle back to thieves, I think members of guilds also need to have different camps as far as thinking and actions go. This also prevents "cookie cutter" type characters and leads to interesting situations when they interact.

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The world needs more cookie cutter types. Really, if you want to be unique be the offspring of two loving parents from the same species that are still living and have a completely normal childhood before arriving at Crossing with the money you saved up and enough spunk to get a good education.

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"Perinthia's astronomers are faced with a difficult choice. Either they must admit that all their calculations were wrong ... or else they must reveal that the order of the gods is reflected exactly in the city of monsters." - Italo Calvino

You are correct in much of your response. Much to do with my lack of supporting arguments going to leave it at that.
I support the initial posters right to complain
I'm going to concede not wanting to draw the ire of certain individuals because of what is said here.

>Really, if you want to be unique be the offspring of two loving parents from the same species that are still living and have a completely normal childhood before arriving at Crossing with the money you saved up and enough spunk to get a good education.

I can agree with that.

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<<The world needs more cookie cutter types.>>

Funny you should mention that...

<<The rest of the thread>>

Woah, woah, woah. Why the huge debate over right and wrong? According to the OP it was a single plat. That's literally a hunting trip or two in eels, or two thirds of a goblin jackpot box. The 'conflict' initiated by the thief is minor; it sits far, far closer to 'he said a rude thing to me' than 'he's a dirty griefer out to ruin my fun' on the spectrum of 'bad things'.

I do not particularly want to encourage this sort of handling of minor negative IC happenings. If the situation was different, then sure, the situation would be different! Things get nine kinds of sticky when killing, camping, graverobbing, and the like are involved.

This is not that.

Sure it matters. I doubt they'd be making a fuss if a single copper had gone missing instead. Now as you illustrated, a plat CAN feel like a lot, I know it felt like an absolute fortune waaaay back when I first began playing. But times have changed, and on top of that, if they've got the coin lying around to give a novice a plat then I certainly hope they would have enough stashed away to recover from that loss! At the end of the day, the thief didn't get much, and claiming that it's bad/not roleplay, griefing, or precludes roleplay from the victim(s) in some way is naïve at best and not something I'd want to encourage, especially in someone interacting with new players!

That's my take on it, anyway. Armifer's earlier post is pretty much the key point here! :)

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