I've only tried the measure verb so far (already love it).

>measure carr
You are confident that the carry-all's interior length measures sixty-one spans, wonder if the carry-all's interior height measures one span and are unable to determine any of the other dimensions.

That thing is big!

>We didn't want to include it with Appraise because it teaches about as well, and then we'd have to either cut the learning of appraise itself or increase the RT.

I've noticed that measuring has no roundtime, intended? Also, I've noticed the container needs to be held to measure; are there any plans for dimensions being listed in shops so that a buyer could know how big they are before they buy them?

Yeah, no roundtime anywhere, tried open and closed. This is done with a Trader, maybe there is something with their special app abilities getting in there...

I wrote script to measure all of my containers, all without roundtime. I went from 0 to 4 in a couple seconds... is there a limit to how often you can measure because that's quite a bit of roundtime-less exp.

>exp app
>remo pack

SKILL: Rank/Percent towards next rank/Amount learning/Mindstate fraction
Appraisal: 122 54.17% clear (0/34)

>measure pack
You take a cord-bound canvas pack off your back.
>wear pack
You wonder if the pack's interior length measures thirty-three spans, think it is likely that the pack's interior height measures twenty spans and are unable to determine any of the other dimensions.
>remo sack
>measure sack
>wear sack
You put a cord-bound canvas pack on your back.
>
You sling a large canvas sack painted with a magnificent three-masted ship off from over your shoulder.
>
You wonder if the sack's interior length measures one span, wonder if the sack's interior height measures nine spans and are unable to determine any of the other dimensions.
>remo carr
>measure carr
You sling a large canvas sack painted with a magnificent three-masted ship over your shoulder.
>
You sling a durable sailcloth carry-all with an embroidered flap off from over your shoulder.
>wear carr
You think it is likely that the carry-all's interior length measures forty-one spans, wonder if the carry-all's interior height measures twenty-eight spans and are unable to determine any of the other dimensions.
>remo rich shea
>measure rich shea
You sling a durable sailcloth carry-all with an embroidered flap over your shoulder.
>
You remove a rich golden sheath from your belt.
>wear rich shea
>remo arm shea
You wonder if the sheath's interior length measures sixteen spans, wonder if the sheath's interior height measures one span and are unable to determine any of the other dimensions.
>
You attach a rich golden sheath to your belt.
>measure arm shea
You remove a worn leather arm sheath tooled with the image of a cobra wrapped around a sword from your upper arm.
>wear arm shea
You are certain that the sheath's interior length measures thirty-four spans, think it is likely that the sheath's interior height measures seven spans and are unable to determine any of the other dimensions.
>remo belt
>measure belt
>wear belt
You attach a worn leather arm sheath tooled with the image of a cobra wrapped around a sword to your upper arm.
>
You remove a furry wolf-tail belt from around your waist.
>remo case
You estimate that the belt's interior length measures twenty-nine spans, wonder if the belt's interior height measures one span and are unable to determine any of the other dimensions.
>
You put a furry wolf-tail belt around your waist.
>measure case
>wear case
You remove an olivewood contract case embossed with a jade sana'ati tree from your belt.
>
You are confident that the case's interior length measures thirty-three spans, are certain that the case's interior height measures ten spans and are unable to determine any of the other dimensions.
>
You attach an olivewood contract case embossed with a jade sana'ati tree to your belt.
>exp app

SKILL: Rank/Percent towards next rank/Amount learning/Mindstate fraction
Appraisal: 122 54.17% thoughtful (4/34)

Ok, bug fixed and I decided to reduce the roundtime if you are not able to see all the dimensions. Please let me know if anything continues to be acting odd.

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"I have no data yet. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts."
- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Sherlock Holmes

Is there any way to use maker's marks with this? I thought marks weren't trade specific, but I can't use my blacksmithing mark with tailoring, or maybe I just don't know the syntax.

>mark my cloak with my stamp
You cannot figure out how to do that.

> I thought he said complex marks wouldn't be trade specific

I thought it was the other way around, that there was only one basic mark, but you could only get a complex mark for a career/hobby, and you needed a different one for each. I was only using a basic mark.

> Support should be added soon.

Cool.

On another note, are there plans to add reclaiming of fabric? Probably involve cutting the stitches, pulling the thread out, then cutting the resulting pieces square.

> I'm assuming these tools will eventually be forge/carveable?

Needles already are, the rest to follow. Blacksmithing books recently added an "outfitting tools" chapter.

Forgive me if this has been addressed with other disciplines:

I would LOVE to have a simple sewing kit (forging belt, carving harness, etc) or other type of all-in-one container that we could wear that would house all the tools of the trade for any given discipline. When you were crafting, it would automatically pull out the required tool for that step. (You would have to know which step was next, i.e. if you were correcting something).

>push strap with needle
You quickly pull out a threaded set of needles.
With expert precision you wind your needle back and forth over the strap, stopping only every so often to straighten the fabric.
Roundtime: 15 sec.

You could purchase the sewing kit from the crafting hall, and all the items would be at the same quality level. Maybe, if you wanted to get real sassy, you could swing it so you could put player-made tools in there and it would preserve the values for those tools separately. I think the kits could be very expensive, at least double the cost of having each tool individually. Player-crafted kit templates would be very difficult to complete, keeping them relatively rare/expensive to acquire.

My least favorite aspect of the new crafting system(s) is the sheer number of tools and commands needed to complete items. I feel that no other skill requires so many steps, so much equipment and so many different commands to simply train. And you really only learn one, maybe two skills in the process of crafting. Just my beef.

That said, I'm very impressed with the depth and breadth that these systems have. I can only imagine the amount of work that has been put into these and I really appreciate all the work you've done so far!

Thanks
GENT

Yeah, I thought about combat, but it teaches so many skills... and slicing something's head off is so much cooler than sewing a sweater vest. :P

>The other would be useable as a tool itself without the need to remove them. This type of item as a rule will be rare, and is much more difficult to code. It is kind of a side project for me.

If/when this comes about, I will be a happy camper! I would love to see it for other disciplines as well, but anything to cut down on the get/stow madness is awesome!

Thanks!
GENT

Hmm, dang no. That will be intended for one of the new sewing kits once they are finished.

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"I have no data yet. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts."
- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Sherlock Holmes