Tonight I finished the bow crafting mechanics and took the first bow completely through the system with tools, events, messaging and final stat assignment. Just need to add the remaining templates and I can get it setup for testing in DRT.

Then it is onto fletching, wood accessories and furniture. Maybe shields and wooden weapons if time allows. Gotta restock some of the stores with the new tools and add them to blacksmithing I guess too.

Somewhere in there I'll add checks for the remaining axe types!

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"I have no data yet. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts."
- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Sherlock Holmes

>Tonight I finished the bow crafting mechanics and took the first bow completely through the system with tools, events, messaging and final stat assignment. Just need to add the remaining templates and I can get it setup for testing in DRT.
Your pace is astonishing, great update!


>Then it is onto fletching, wood accessories and furniture. Maybe shields and wooden weapons if time allows. Gotta restock some of the stores with the new tools and add them to blacksmithing I guess too.
Wooden shields? Are they just for practice, or will they actually offer some type of parallel to metal large and leather small shields?

And FLETCHING!

-Andrew <-Super excited at News!

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"I think anything that forces you to do something no sane adventurer would do just in order to train is ridiculous."
DR-SOCHARIS

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Victory Over Lyras, on the 397th year and 156 days since the Victory of Lanival the Redeemer.

Is there any chance that "greataxe" weapons will work?

The servers were having some trouble earlier, so DRT may be down for a bit. I do have an update to ax-checking for folks to test when it comes back up.

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"I have no data yet. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts."
- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Sherlock Holmes

The hurling axe I reported a problem with before (double-headed hurling axe with a silverwood handle) is working fine now. Thanks!

~~Kythryn~~
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain

Late to the party, I don't read the forums enough.

>> Maybe shields and wooden weapons if time allows.

If shaping gets shields, and carving doesn't end up with bone shields, after I picked it as a hobby solely for that reason, I'm going to be a little sour. Any chance we're going to be allowed to forget a hobby or career at any point?

Kodius intended, by his words at one point, to have bone shields fill the niche of medium sized shield crafting. This is when I picked it up as a hobby, for that reason. Then later he decided, apparently, to scrap the idea. This is the foundation of my problem.

As an aside, what you're saying is an entire discipline of crafting was created solely for a way to release engineering as a skill, and never meant to be useful? That doesn't sound like something they would invest that kind of time in, as opposed to letting engineering wait to be released. It's not like the skill itself was a necessity. Plenty of things go unfinished, as carving has. Doesn't mean it was intended to, just that our coding GMs, especially Kodius in this case, have a lot on their plates and have to prioritize. Anyone out there that can lend any credibility to this claim that carving was just meant to be the useless bastard child of engineering?

Heh, let me clarify that a bit.

STONE carving was the first crafting system, and by its very nature could never BE an entire crafting Discipline. STONE carving was my test bed for the first Core mechanics, tool system, events, prestige, work orders and so on.


Bone Carving was later added as a larger system for the Carving Discipline. It featured more things to craft (particularly bone armor) as a result. But it is NOT complete. None of the crafting systems likely will ever be totally complete (just like Guilds, combat, magic, etc) I just didn't have the luxury of spending another year polishing it when there are 10 other systems demanding my time.

I'll see about finishing up shields once the bow crafting stuff is out.

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"I have no data yet. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts."
- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Sherlock Holmes

Just pushed some of it to DRT. Arrowmaking will be fairly big project though, so I expect to spend a few weeks on it.

Also discovered I can't easily push forests out - so will have to spend hours putting them in the live instances by hand. sigh

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"I have no data yet. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts."
- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Sherlock Holmes

>>When you watch forest it does not give any info on the wood type that you will get like we get metal and rock type with mining. Can this be added.

That would be fantastic.

Experience gain for lumberjacking still seems really low when compared to mining.

Also, once I refine and combine my lumber I can't mark it for cutting down into smaller pieces.

>>mark lumb at 4
>>You can not make marks on the maple lumber.


~Engineer Ascot Ryuzzaki, Bonecutter of M'riss

Ok. WATCH forest should be able to show the tree type present now on a good success. Also bumped the exp quite a bit...

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"I have no data yet. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts."
- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Sherlock Holmes

>It is showing up now except that everywhere is saying that you can find ash trees.
hah, I thought that was just on purpose, since it is an easy wood to work with. Thought Kodius was corralling us to use ash to simplify de-bugging...heh. But yea, I can confirm that the northern Mistwood & North Road forests were just showing as 'ash' as well too.

I didn't notice any EXP adjustment on CHOP TREE when I was harvesting some test wood. That would have been at around 9:3pm MDT.

I'm going to do another harder bow next, but I used the chapter 2, page 1 toy bow as my 1st project. Everything went super smooth, messaging was very clear, except for when I needed the rasp.

Maybe it was a syntax thing, but either my bow was trying to rub my rasp, or I was getting a response that I should be using a hide scraper (yea, hide, ugh). And I was trying all sorts of combinations of SCRAPE, RUB, CARVE, SHAPE. I finally just skipped over that step with a knife and moved on.

And a request, with needing the 'carving knife', could we also include 'outdoor knife' on the list for eligible knives?

So far I think it looks good. I can see how folks will be ignoring sticks when harvesting wild wood though, the 6-step preparation from raw to lumber is going to make that pretty tedious on anything that isn't rare and worth the time to keep every piece. I think the number of steps to create the bow itself is good though, I didn't feel like I was there forever making it.

~~Kythryn~~
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain

ok, thanks for the explanation!

~~Kythryn~~
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain

>I don't intend for foraged wood to compete with lumberjacking. But it can be a nod to the old system. Keeping something familiar around, and Mags in business ;)

Makes sense...thanks again for explaining!

On a different note, while I was reading your post, I just had that "vanishing forest" bug happen again. This is an exact copy/paste from the game window:

>watch forest
You look at the forest around you.
You see evidence of mature trees and are certain a decent number remains to be found.
Studying the forest, you are certain that continued lumberjacking will be quite safe.
This area contains a coniferous forest.
You are certain that ash trees can be harvested here.
Loggers stand ready to trade wood in for deeds. Just PUSH any lumberjacked wood, and they'll take care of the rest.
Roundtime: 12 sec.
>exp

Circle: 125
Showing all skills with field experience.

SKILL: Rank/Percent towards next rank/Amount learning/Mindstate Fraction
Perception: 732 03% dabbling (1/34) Outdoorsmanship: 1016 31% dabbling (1/34)
Appraisal: 647 92% dabbling (1/34)

Total Ranks Displayed: 2395
Time Development Points: 789 Favors: 26 Deaths: 71 Departs: 32
Overall state of mind: clear
EXP HELP for more information
>chop tree
You smack your axe into some brush nearby, but are unable to find a tree large enough to produce usable wood.
Roundtime: 6 sec.
>chop tree
Despite thoroughly exploring the area you fail to find any trees to chop.
Roundtime: 5 sec.
>watch forest
You look at the forest around you.
You see evidence of mature trees and are certain no trees are available for harvesting.
Roundtime: 12 sec.
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~~Kythryn~~
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain

Try scissors?

Ok I just failed to push out the BREAK changes. Probably a missing variable causing ASH trees to be everywhere. Got hung up with RL work today. I'll push some updates tomorrow. Thanks for all the testing!

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"I have no data yet. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts."
- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Sherlock Holmes

Kodius,

It's still happening that the trees identified by watch forest are not the trees you harvest.

See below:
You look at the forest around you.
You see evidence of mature trees and are certain a substantial number remains to be found.
Studying the forest, you are certain that continued lumberjacking will be quite safe.
This area contains a coniferous forest.
You are certain that ash trees can be harvested here.
Loggers stand ready to trade wood in for deeds. Just PUSH any lumberjacked wood, and they'll take care of the rest.
Roundtime: 9 sec.
R>get hand axe
You get a hand axe from inside your grey backpack.
>chop tree
The fallen tree's thick bark provides little protection from the strokes of your hand axe.
You roll a freshly-cut cedar branch away from the remains of the tree.
Roundtime: 9 sec.

Regards,

Sortny/Braunwen