I appraised some of the wood, and I see this:

You are certain that the spruce branch has an affinity of 40, placing it at 'rather poor affinity for making shortbows' on the official Trader's Scale.
You are certain that the spruce branch has an affinity of 35, placing it at 'poor affinity for making long bows' on the official Trader's Scale.
You are certain that the spruce branch has an affinity of 40, placing it at 'rather poor affinity for making composite bows' on the official Trader's Scale.

Should those be something more than just "affinity"? Maybe "shortbow affinity", "long bow affinity" and "composite bow affinity"?

>>There doesn't seem to be any experience

This should route through the mining core exp calcs. Actual mining/lumberjacking actions teach based on the workability of what you are mining. How much skill do you have?

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Kodius,

My skills weren't updated to prime so I in test I had 421 outdoorsmanship, 320something in perception. I was using a hand axe from Crossing Weaponsmith.
Also, unless I did watch forest, I didn't learn anything in outdoorsmanship, perception or appraisal, or when I averted a disaster.

Regards,

Sortny/Braunwen

I'm going to amend this:
>4. I thought the rate of learning Outdoors. was comparable to mining.

There were times when I was learning great, however I just noticed as I was making my way down the Darkling Wood road, that even though I was finding something in each room, I was only at 3/34.

Does the difficulty of the wood have an impact on the learning? I never really noticed that with mining, other than more rare materials were harder to spot with your initial PROSPECT than the common ones. But, when I noticed my Outdoors. was learning well, I'd just found larch and then tamarak. Right now, sitting at 2/34, I've been finding ash, pine, apple, etc.

Or maybe you have to clear out a room to get the whole EXP amount? And if that is the case, I'd like to nominate it be changed to a per-wood award instead of a room clear award.

Now that I think about it, when I was learning ok, I was in rooms that were out of combat too. I can't imagine why that would matter, but maybe lumberjacking doesn't play well with evading...:P

~~Kythryn~~
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain

Wow. Kythryn, *thank you*.

>>Ok, so all the Outdoorsmanship learning notes I made from yesterday...none of it was from chopping trees apparently. I'm so used to the EXP drain when you log into Prime, there must have been some skills active when my test-server copy was made. In today's tests, I'm not moving Outdoors. at all and Perception or Appraisal will get to 1/34, all when starting from clear.

I'll double check the exp when I can. AFAIK the difficulty is based on the workability of the wood or ore being logged or mined. But perhaps I'll add some guaranteed experience for a success.

>>Definitely would be good to have different messaging when you can't harvest in an area:

Yup, I'll get that fixed up here soon.

>>On the original places list to check out, there were a couple different Mistwood Forest locations. Was it an oversight or intentional to have no forests in the section of [Mistwood Forest] between the ledge/shrub/peer path and the river (nightreaver/nightweaver unyn hunting)?

There are about 30 other spots I need to add/expand upon still.


>>I checked all the places I could find from the original list, and never ran across a TROPICAL forest. I'm not surprised by that, I would imagine those being on the islands and perhaps something like the Muspar'i Oasis. Just noting this down in case for some reason, one of those on the list was actually supposed to be tropical...:P

These are more likely to be found on the islands.


>>And, I wasn't going to spend too much more time on the test server felling trees and letting them re-spawn to try and "catch everything", but I thought it might help to have a quick list of woods that are in the current system but that the test-server players haven't found yet.
*bloodwood
*copperwood
*mahogany
*mistwood
*rosewood
*silverwood
*teak

Teak, Rosewood and Mahogany are in, though somewhat rare. Xwood will be in once I finish setting up their stats, as rare wood.


Thank you for being thorough!

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>Is it possible for greataxes to be considered suitable axes?

I'm pretty sure this just checks to see if it's an edged weapon, and if it's noun is "axe." This would also be why throwing axe seem not to work.

Here's a list of some of the other nouns that we might want to see made valid:

hatchet
greataxe
broadaxe

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Re:
1. Not all "axes" work.
>You glance down to see a double-headed hurling axe with a silverwood handle in your right hand and nothing in your left hand.
>CHOP TREE
>Despite your best efforts, you fail to make any progress. Perhaps you should try again with an actual lumberjacking tool, like a wood saw or axe.
(my battle axe with a deobar handle capped by a carved dragon's head worked fine)

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Just trying out lumberjacking. Although "You can use any weapon with 'axe' as the noun to lumberjack with," this axe I grabbed doesn't seem to work...

>tap axe
You tap a steel war axe with a gnarled maple grip that you are holding.
>app axe
A steel war axe with a gnarled maple grip is a two-handed edged melee-ranged weapon.
(not swappable)

>watch forest
You look at the forest around you.
You see evidence of mature trees and are certain a small number remains to be found.
Studying the forest, you are certain that continued lumberjacking will be quite safe.
This area contains a boreal forest.
Loggers stand ready to trade wood in for deeds. Just PUSH any lumberjacked wood, and they'll take care of the rest.
Roundtime: 11 sec.

Meven carefully scrutinizes her surroundings, picks up some twigs and creates a marker pointing to a grove of mature trees.

>chop tree (in a room with my wife actively chopping wood)
Despite your best efforts, you fail to make any progress.
Perhaps you should try again with an actual lumberjacking tool, like a wood saw or axe.
Roundtime: 6 sec.
>chop tree
Despite your best efforts, you fail to make any progress.
Perhaps you should try again with an actual lumberjacking tool, like a wood saw or axe.
Roundtime: 7 sec.

Thanks for this system, my Rangers are really psyched!

~ Turnip Farmer Muksak the Tog Ranger

Hey Kodius, thanks for giving us all some feedback! This is a crazy-busy week for most folks (at least around here it is) so it's nice of you to take the time right now to give all us lumberjack-enthusiasts (heh, I'm not ever going to be able to type out lumberjacking without snickering like a 10-year old either) some more insight into the new system.

>There are about 30 other spots I need to add/expand upon still.
Very cool! Sorry if it seemed like a critique, I was just writing down "oddities" as I came across them. You'd created a FOREST in all the other sections of the Mistwood Forest but that small bit, so it was meant in more of a "huh, odd" way than a "hey you, fix this!" way. :)

>AFAIK the difficulty is based on the workability of the wood or ore being logged or mined.

Just now I first did a run through in PRIME LIVE, using the 13 "safe" Ice Cave mining rooms in Ilithi, and only did a PROSPECT. Just from that:
Athletic: 705 91% [ 1/34]
Perc: 731 82% [ 3/34]
Outdoors: 1016 39% [ 3/34]
Appraise: 647 68% [ 3/34]

In comparison, in PRIME TEST, I ran Kyth along the 15 rooms of the Mistwood Forest Road from the North Road to the rope bridge, doing a WATCH FOREST. From that:
Perception: 731 99% learning (3/34)
Outdoorsmanship: 1016 28% thoughtful (4/34)
Appraisal: 647 85% learning (3/34)

To me, that looks comparable.



However, after I cleared out EXP, I then did CHOP TREE on a room in TEST until it was "tapped" with the following results:
- short oak branch x5
- oak limb x2
- oak log x3
- long oak branch x3
Resulting in:
No skills have field experience or none meet your criteria!

Near the end of the room clear, I did have one danger event, so I did a WATCH FOREST DANGER, with the results then being:
Perception: 732 00% dabbling (1/34)
Outdoorsmanship: 1016 29% dabbling (1/34)
Appraisal: 647 87% dabbling (1/34)

Then I returned to PRIME LIVE, and did a full mining clear with a pickaxe on a room of PUMICE & IRON, with the following results (no danger events):
pumice boulder x1
pumice stone x5
pumice pebble x5
large pumice rock x1
small pumice rock x2
tiny iron nugget x1
small iron nugget x4
medium iron nugget x4
large iron nugget x2
massive iron nugget x1
Resulting in:
Perc: 731 84% [ 1/34]
Outdoors: 1016 41% [34/34]
Appraise: 647 70% [ 1/34]

I feel it is fair that you will learn more learn more from mining since you are finding 2 items (stone and ore), however no matter how easy OAK is to find, I also feel that it should have at least taught something. However, as my EXP reflects, it did not move off clear during the entire room felling, only once I had the opportunity to use a WATCH FOREST DANGER on a danger event.

Hope that helps to flesh out any EXP adjustments you're considering.

~~Kythryn~~
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain

>>will learn more learn more from mining since you are finding 2 items (stone and ore)

Very possible, I'll bump it when I get back home.

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