OK I've got a question to start us off... 12/30/2007 11:17 PM CST
... how the heck do you train this skill to anything approximating a decent level if you're not a ranger?

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Re: OK I've got a question to start us off... 12/30/2007 11:24 PM CST
Fish, I think.

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Re: OK I've got a question to start us off... 12/30/2007 11:27 PM CST
<<... how the heck do you train this skill to anything approximating a decent level if you're not a ranger?>>

Fishing is probably the best thing. Own a horse a close second?

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Re: OK I've got a question to start us off... 12/31/2007 01:06 AM CST
>Fishing is probably the best thing. Own a horse a close second?

I guess I should just cut to the chase and re-form my question...

How the heck do you train this skill as an Empath, since we get shock from fishing?

I've never seen any animal lore come from interacting with my horse, unless this has changed very recently.

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Re: OK I've got a question to start us off... 12/31/2007 03:51 AM CST
You can also learn animal lore by tending things like leeches and mites off of your character. But I think for empaths (and empaths alone) they learn empathy rather than animal lore.


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Re: OK I've got a question to start us off... 12/31/2007 06:01 AM CST
<<Own a horse a close second?>>

ahem.

last time i checked grooming a horse, interacting with a horse, etc. does NOT actually teach any animal lore to any guild - including paladins - except rangers when they instruct a horse.


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Re: OK I've got a question to start us off... 12/31/2007 06:03 AM CST
>>You can also learn animal lore by tending things like leeches and mites off of your character. But I think for empaths (and empaths alone) they learn empathy rather than animal lore.

I thought Empaths learned Empathy instead of Skinning when tending bloodsuckers.

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Re: OK I've got a question to start us off... 12/31/2007 06:33 AM CST
I'd like to take this moment to re-visit a former suggestion I had regarding Animal Lore.

Would it be possiable to offer Animal Lore exp for studying animal anatonomy charts?

...Makes sense to me and would cut down on all the dern fishers.


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Re: OK I've got a question to start us off... 12/31/2007 07:31 AM CST
<<I thought Empaths learned Empathy instead of Skinning when tending bloodsuckers.

I knew someone would correct me! Thanks Kyn. Never having an empath to do that, I had no idea. So yes! Empaths can learn animal lore by tending leeches and mites. Of course there is always a class.

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Re: OK I've got a question to start us off... 12/31/2007 11:09 AM CST
>You can also learn animal lore by tending things like leeches and mites off of your character.

I've tried this a few times and the rate of learning was a pathetic trickle. Not to mention the requirement that you wander around constantly moving in circles hoping for something to grab onto you to earn that pathetic trickle--not very lore-like at all.

Are there any Empath players out there who train Animal Lore with anything approximating success?

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Re: OK I've got a question to start us off... 12/31/2007 11:11 AM CST
<<Are there any Empath players out there who train Animal Lore with anything approximating success?>>

So should we add fishing nets to engineering skill? :-P


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Re: OK I've got a question to start us off... 12/31/2007 11:29 AM CST
If you go up to the sandpits in Muspar'i you don't have to wander much. The learning is still far from ideal though.
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Re: OK I've got a question to start us off... 12/31/2007 11:35 AM CST
>>Are there any Empath players out there who train Animal Lore with anything approximating success?

Yes, very much so. Just not by me onesies, savvy? To learn anywhere close to decently, I've got to take at least one other person, preferably two. More people will simply speed up the process. Depending on who I take, I can usually keep them locked/decently learning via a class and I can stay roughly at the same level (usually a little less, I think, since my teaching is so skewed compared to everything else) tending the many leeches latching on.

Of course, my training methods are dictated by my laze factor so I don't have much skill anyways.

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Re: OK I've got a question to start us off... 12/31/2007 11:46 AM CST
>So should we add fishing nets to engineering skill? :-P

I think it would more naturally fit into Tailoring, since it's essentially weaving.

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Re: OK I've got a question to start us off... 12/31/2007 11:48 AM CST
<<I think it would more naturally fit into Tailoring, since it's essentially weaving.>>

Yeah, but a good net has weights, etc. and the location of the weights and how it is thrown dictates how the net "umbrellas" out to the bottom of the lake/river/whatever.

Hrm. This is stuff we have to iron out. Discuss?

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Re: OK I've got a question to start us off... 12/31/2007 11:52 AM CST
weaver ties on weights he or she gets from a smith?

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Re: OK I've got a question to start us off... 12/31/2007 11:53 AM CST
<<weaver ties on weights he or she gets from a smith?>>

nod

Yeah, but I'm thinking if you want the best ... ?

Engineering is the skill we need the most feedback for. It's lacking, in terms of our plans, compared to the other skills.

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Re: OK I've got a question to start us off... 12/31/2007 12:00 PM CST
Mesh casting nets can be purchased in a sizes ranging from 4 feet in circumference up to 12 feet. Few people can manually lift more than a 10-foot net once it is filled with fish. The standard size is the four-foot model and has small metal weights attached to the edges. Usual weighting is set at one pound per foot of net. They also have at least a 10-foot hand line that attaches to your hand when the net is thrown. There is also a type of retrieval clamp, sometimes called a thimble, which closes the net when it is full.


To pull in the net, there is a clamp-like device, which works like a wringer on a mop. You have to pull the hand line toward yourself until the net reaches you or your boat. The net will be tightly closed at the opening and hopefully full of fish! Lift the net into a bucket and release the clamp, the fish are dumped into the bucket.

I'd like to also see some traps for fish introduced at some point in time.
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Re: OK I've got a question to start us off... 12/31/2007 12:22 PM CST
I would still vote for Tailoring. That skill seems to already include practical items such as armors, and one would assume, ropes, blankets, and other textiles or braided material. Also if you consider that clothing can include a lot of attached elements such as sequins, buttons, clasps, bells, drawstrings, etc, it's the most natural fit, unless all that would count as Artistry.

I'm not sure how far along all these plans are, but thinking about this one item (fishing nets) leads me to think that at least from an intuitive approach, there will be a lot of overlap or intermingling of the skills during creation processes. So a fishing net might be primarily Tailoring, with a little Engineering and Artistry thrown in.


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Re: OK I've got a question to start us off... 12/31/2007 06:43 PM CST
<<... how the heck do you train this skill to anything approximating a decent level if you're not a ranger?>>

>Fishing is probably the best thing. Own a horse a close second? -Ssra


Empaths, disregard the above suggestion! <g>

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