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There shouldn't even be a thread about this. The answer should simply be: Yes!
It would certainly be nice, and realistic ;)
MONDAE
Re: Should the Nobles of the lands execute those questioning their rule?
12/08/2005 11:43 AM CST
SYLVERWIND
Re: Should the Nobles of the lands execute those questioning their rule?
12/08/2005 11:49 AM CST
I did like the idea someone had of a public execution followed by the corpse being taken somewhere they can't get clerical or empathic help.
Losing experience sure seems like a decent punishment to me.
Rev. Reene, player of a few
Reene: hey you should play this with me
Zairius: last time I fell for that line
Zairius: I ended up in DR
Losing experience sure seems like a decent punishment to me.
Rev. Reene, player of a few
Reene: hey you should play this with me
Zairius: last time I fell for that line
Zairius: I ended up in DR
FIRE00
Re: Should the Nobles of the lands execute those questioning their rule?
12/12/2005 04:31 PM CST
The NOBLES?! BAH!!! The only true rule should belong to the Empire!!! Personally the Nobles should be lined up and exhiled as they have done nothing for us but divide our lands and people!
HELLCAT
Re: Should the Nobles of the lands execute those questioning their rule?
12/15/2005 01:35 PM CST
>The NOBLES?! BAH!!! The only true rule should belong to the Empire!!! Personally the Nobles should be lined up and exhiled as they have done nothing for us but divide our lands and people!
Do you have a wish to exile all nobles are simply the ones that populate the lands right now? I only ask because you do relieze that the "IMPERIAL" age was populated by their own nobility. As for our nobles dividing our lands and people, comparing the complete failure of the Seven Star Empire and the resulting Kin Strife that lasted for five centuries wasn't exactly a campfire social of love happiness and understanding. Those that lead the provience now are saints and are hardly perfect, yet they are doing a often times thankless job as well as they can and I personally think that the calling for the return of an institution that has proven itself to be a failure is well..stupid.
___
Hard pressed on my right. My center is yielding. Impossible to maneuver. Situation excellent. I am attacking.
--Ferdinand Foch-- at the Battle of the Marne
Do you have a wish to exile all nobles are simply the ones that populate the lands right now? I only ask because you do relieze that the "IMPERIAL" age was populated by their own nobility. As for our nobles dividing our lands and people, comparing the complete failure of the Seven Star Empire and the resulting Kin Strife that lasted for five centuries wasn't exactly a campfire social of love happiness and understanding. Those that lead the provience now are saints and are hardly perfect, yet they are doing a often times thankless job as well as they can and I personally think that the calling for the return of an institution that has proven itself to be a failure is well..stupid.
___
Hard pressed on my right. My center is yielding. Impossible to maneuver. Situation excellent. I am attacking.
--Ferdinand Foch-- at the Battle of the Marne
KOLENDAT
Re: Should the Nobles of the lands execute those questioning their rule?
01/08/2006 07:32 AM CST
I think it would be a matter of policy here.. but that obvious argument notwithstanding...
I think it would be an amazing RP oppurtunity to have some sort of system set (not even a mechanics one, just an RP one) where the Prince could appoint arbitraters (or use the Black Fox Order) and try alleged traitors.
One of my most memorable RP experiences was being tried for treason against the crowns of Therengia and Zoluren by the baron himself. It wasn't neccessarily a trial, but I was asked to leave Therengia and never come back and I had to present my case before The Baron.
It was very fun and has been one of Cayene's 'wild and crazy' stories ever sense.
Point being.. there wasn't any need for extra mechanics. A GMPC showed up to 'escort' us out of town.. but it could have just as easily have been a task for the local militia, as the GMPC didn't use and uber-gm-liness to do it.
It would give the players of militia persons another duty, which, lets face it.. without a war going on the militia starts losing people to boredom left and right.
I can only speak from my own point of view.. but if Cayene were charged with treason in Zoluren he'd show up all fire and brimstone to defend himself and if he were exiled/imprisoned/executed he'd go down cursing and proclaiming all sorts of nonsense.... but me as the player I'd have a blast RPing anything short of a permanent inescapable trip to the dungeon or walking the starry road.
I actually emailed the events team to try and get them to arrest Cayene on his wedding night a long time ago, figuring it'd be the perfect RP end to the evening, alas to no avail.
I'm not saying that the nobles should perform some witch hunt, or that the PLAYERS should be allowed to accuse each other of a crime that would have them put on trial. (it would get ridiculous with hundreds of people on trial at a time) but it would make sense for those hardcore RPers to be able to bend the Prince's ear. Or for someone who blatantly engages in alot of treasonesque RPs to get caught and tried.
And I would imagine that anyone who is a hardcore RPer who is RPing a character who is an enemy of Zoluren would, as a player, feel justified if they were accused and even punished.
From time to time I've engaged in RP that caused a GM to whisk me away and explain a thing or two to me or ask me about the direction of my RP. Wouldn't be far fetched for a GM to whisk someone up and say "Okay listen, we're going to have Vorclaf try you for treason. We just wanted to make sure this was okay with you as a player because we don't want to ruin your gameplay experience. " At which point the player could so "No, no, I'm all for it!" or "No I wouldn't like that, if my character got executed I'd feel I was being treated unfairly."
Just a very very very long winded thought. <g>
~Cay
*As a side note to those who like to quote message boards and use them for IG purposes.. Cayene is not an enemy of Zoluren or any other province. I am NOT rping him as a villian or anything of the sort. While he does commit treason, it is always fundamentally justified in his mind as being for the greater good of the Province.
All I need is for a dozen people involved in RPs with him to suddenly "start" acting like he's a traitor cause they read this post and thought I was RPing him as a spy or something.
Those of you who already think he's a traitor, please continue to do so for continuities sake :)
I think it would be an amazing RP oppurtunity to have some sort of system set (not even a mechanics one, just an RP one) where the Prince could appoint arbitraters (or use the Black Fox Order) and try alleged traitors.
One of my most memorable RP experiences was being tried for treason against the crowns of Therengia and Zoluren by the baron himself. It wasn't neccessarily a trial, but I was asked to leave Therengia and never come back and I had to present my case before The Baron.
It was very fun and has been one of Cayene's 'wild and crazy' stories ever sense.
Point being.. there wasn't any need for extra mechanics. A GMPC showed up to 'escort' us out of town.. but it could have just as easily have been a task for the local militia, as the GMPC didn't use and uber-gm-liness to do it.
It would give the players of militia persons another duty, which, lets face it.. without a war going on the militia starts losing people to boredom left and right.
I can only speak from my own point of view.. but if Cayene were charged with treason in Zoluren he'd show up all fire and brimstone to defend himself and if he were exiled/imprisoned/executed he'd go down cursing and proclaiming all sorts of nonsense.... but me as the player I'd have a blast RPing anything short of a permanent inescapable trip to the dungeon or walking the starry road.
I actually emailed the events team to try and get them to arrest Cayene on his wedding night a long time ago, figuring it'd be the perfect RP end to the evening, alas to no avail.
I'm not saying that the nobles should perform some witch hunt, or that the PLAYERS should be allowed to accuse each other of a crime that would have them put on trial. (it would get ridiculous with hundreds of people on trial at a time) but it would make sense for those hardcore RPers to be able to bend the Prince's ear. Or for someone who blatantly engages in alot of treasonesque RPs to get caught and tried.
And I would imagine that anyone who is a hardcore RPer who is RPing a character who is an enemy of Zoluren would, as a player, feel justified if they were accused and even punished.
From time to time I've engaged in RP that caused a GM to whisk me away and explain a thing or two to me or ask me about the direction of my RP. Wouldn't be far fetched for a GM to whisk someone up and say "Okay listen, we're going to have Vorclaf try you for treason. We just wanted to make sure this was okay with you as a player because we don't want to ruin your gameplay experience. " At which point the player could so "No, no, I'm all for it!" or "No I wouldn't like that, if my character got executed I'd feel I was being treated unfairly."
Just a very very very long winded thought. <g>
~Cay
*As a side note to those who like to quote message boards and use them for IG purposes.. Cayene is not an enemy of Zoluren or any other province. I am NOT rping him as a villian or anything of the sort. While he does commit treason, it is always fundamentally justified in his mind as being for the greater good of the Province.
All I need is for a dozen people involved in RPs with him to suddenly "start" acting like he's a traitor cause they read this post and thought I was RPing him as a spy or something.
Those of you who already think he's a traitor, please continue to do so for continuities sake :)
SYLVERWIND
Re: Should the Nobles of the lands execute those questioning their rule?
01/08/2006 04:12 PM CST
>> From time to time I've engaged in RP that caused a GM to whisk me away and explain a thing or two to me or ask me about the direction of my RP. Wouldn't be far fetched for a GM to whisk someone up and say "Okay listen, we're going to have Vorclaf try you for treason. We just wanted to make sure this was okay with you as a player because we don't want to ruin your gameplay experience. " At which point the player could so "No, no, I'm all for it!" or "No I wouldn't like that, if my character got executed I'd feel I was being treated unfairly."
Quoting for many huzzahs and hurrays. I would love to see this happen. A mere SEND would do whenever someone starts treading the line, clarifying to that person that if they continue with what they're doing they will be facing consequences they might not like. At that point they can either gracefully back out or explicitely consent to and accept the consequences.
It's something that I try to do myself. When possible I try to get someone's OOC consent when something is going to impact their character significantly. It strikes me as being common courtesy, and it's a convention I picked up from other much stricter roleplaying MU*s where you HAD to have the other person's consent to do ANYTHING to their character. It's a pity more don't go by these rules...I've been twinked at with ACT before and it's one of the most irritating things. Luckily it doesn't happen too often.
Rev. Reene, player of a few
Reene: hey you should play this with me
Zairius: last time I fell for that line
Zairius: I ended up in DR
Quoting for many huzzahs and hurrays. I would love to see this happen. A mere SEND would do whenever someone starts treading the line, clarifying to that person that if they continue with what they're doing they will be facing consequences they might not like. At that point they can either gracefully back out or explicitely consent to and accept the consequences.
It's something that I try to do myself. When possible I try to get someone's OOC consent when something is going to impact their character significantly. It strikes me as being common courtesy, and it's a convention I picked up from other much stricter roleplaying MU*s where you HAD to have the other person's consent to do ANYTHING to their character. It's a pity more don't go by these rules...I've been twinked at with ACT before and it's one of the most irritating things. Luckily it doesn't happen too often.
Rev. Reene, player of a few
Reene: hey you should play this with me
Zairius: last time I fell for that line
Zairius: I ended up in DR
KOLENDAT
Re: Should the Nobles of the lands execute those questioning their rule?
01/08/2006 06:47 PM CST
>>I've been twinked at with the ACT before....
I concur wholeheartedly on this matter. I find it in poor taste and roleplay to force action on another's character using the act command.
Recently I was involved in a long and comedic roleplay that involved the accusal that another character was a monster and that we were 'monster busters' (for lack of a better term, which we did NOT use in game) who were trying to capture that character.
At one point I began using the ACT command in such manner:
ACT begins to slowly edge forward, rope in his hands
ACT extends him arm slowly, quietly muttering reassuring phrases
After about 10 minutes of "slowly moving forward" in my attempt to wrangle and tie this other character, there were a few people around who used the ACT command in, IMO, poor form.
ACT grabs Soandso and wraps the rope around them, binding them securely.
My problem wasn't that someone was 'enforcing' thier will on another player.. my problem was that without the other character on the same page it was likely we'd simply get
ACT breaks the ropes and runs away
Or some other droll ineffectual RP.
We didn't, the player of the other character used a long and amusing roleplay to deal with the ropes issue.
I sort of had the same complaint a long time ago before it was possible to escape from Guards. They fixed that and deserve a million pats on the backs.
Now, there should be a way to break out of jail too.. (unless <gasp> there is and it's just a secret)
Either way.. I'm just making my own point all over again. Heh.
~Cay
I concur wholeheartedly on this matter. I find it in poor taste and roleplay to force action on another's character using the act command.
Recently I was involved in a long and comedic roleplay that involved the accusal that another character was a monster and that we were 'monster busters' (for lack of a better term, which we did NOT use in game) who were trying to capture that character.
At one point I began using the ACT command in such manner:
ACT begins to slowly edge forward, rope in his hands
ACT extends him arm slowly, quietly muttering reassuring phrases
After about 10 minutes of "slowly moving forward" in my attempt to wrangle and tie this other character, there were a few people around who used the ACT command in, IMO, poor form.
ACT grabs Soandso and wraps the rope around them, binding them securely.
My problem wasn't that someone was 'enforcing' thier will on another player.. my problem was that without the other character on the same page it was likely we'd simply get
ACT breaks the ropes and runs away
Or some other droll ineffectual RP.
We didn't, the player of the other character used a long and amusing roleplay to deal with the ropes issue.
I sort of had the same complaint a long time ago before it was possible to escape from Guards. They fixed that and deserve a million pats on the backs.
Now, there should be a way to break out of jail too.. (unless <gasp> there is and it's just a secret)
Either way.. I'm just making my own point all over again. Heh.
~Cay
SYLVERWIND
Re: Should the Nobles of the lands execute those questioning their rule?
01/08/2006 08:24 PM CST
I have to say, mine was worse.
At a mentor event no less...someone decided to express their dislike of my character by using ACT to walk up behind my character and remove the hem of her gown from the back of her panties.
After a moment of sitting there and trying to absorb what had just happened, I chose to leave instead of trying to hammer a nail into a brick wall. I have never been to a mentor event since and I do not plan on ever going to one again...this sort of thing just seems to happen too much, and people are stupidly encouraged and commended for it.
Rev. Reene, player of a few
Reene: hey you should play this with me
Zairius: last time I fell for that line
Zairius: I ended up in DR
At a mentor event no less...someone decided to express their dislike of my character by using ACT to walk up behind my character and remove the hem of her gown from the back of her panties.
After a moment of sitting there and trying to absorb what had just happened, I chose to leave instead of trying to hammer a nail into a brick wall. I have never been to a mentor event since and I do not plan on ever going to one again...this sort of thing just seems to happen too much, and people are stupidly encouraged and commended for it.
Rev. Reene, player of a few
Reene: hey you should play this with me
Zairius: last time I fell for that line
Zairius: I ended up in DR
HULDAHS-PAL
Re: Should the Nobles of the lands execute those questioning their rule?
01/08/2006 08:29 PM CST
>At a mentor event no less...someone decided to express their dislike of my character by using ACT to walk up behind my character and remove the hem of her gown from the back of her panties.
A few things went through my head. I don't know if I actually would have left.
I probably would have said something caustic about the fact that that was an odd attempt as I don't wear underwear or whatever.
There are people who use ... less than stellar ACT verbs that are actually TRYING and for those people I feel genuinely sorry, because they're very likely to learn further from people who use ACT in what I consider an inappropriate form from what it was intended for. It shouldn't be encouraged, or commended - but its pretty widespread, I think.
_____________________________________
So, I totally was zerged in Caracals and I was like "Zomg! Huldah! Raize pls!" and he was like "lol. no. i hate ur posts."
AIM: Huldahs Pal
A few things went through my head. I don't know if I actually would have left.
I probably would have said something caustic about the fact that that was an odd attempt as I don't wear underwear or whatever.
There are people who use ... less than stellar ACT verbs that are actually TRYING and for those people I feel genuinely sorry, because they're very likely to learn further from people who use ACT in what I consider an inappropriate form from what it was intended for. It shouldn't be encouraged, or commended - but its pretty widespread, I think.
_____________________________________
So, I totally was zerged in Caracals and I was like "Zomg! Huldah! Raize pls!" and he was like "lol. no. i hate ur posts."
AIM: Huldahs Pal
GORDONS7
Re: Should the Nobles of the lands execute those questioning their rule?
01/09/2006 06:09 PM CST
Do you have the name of the individual who did this, the event at which it occurred, and a date for me? I would highly suggest that anyone feeling harrassed or threatened at any mentor event whisper to the mentor on duty about the situation at once. If we don't know the action is taken as offensive by the target, we can't move to correct the situation.
Gladiator Maulem~
Events Chief
Lorethew Mentor Society
"The truth is that ineffective, unfocused violence leads to more death. However fully thought through, well executed violence never leads to more violence because afterwards, the other guys are all dead." ~Ternith
Gladiator Maulem~
Events Chief
Lorethew Mentor Society
"The truth is that ineffective, unfocused violence leads to more death. However fully thought through, well executed violence never leads to more violence because afterwards, the other guys are all dead." ~Ternith
SYLVERWIND
Re: Should the Nobles of the lands execute those questioning their rule?
01/09/2006 07:07 PM CST
I'm not sure 'offensive' is really the word for it. I found it to be a very bad excuse for 'roleplay' and in extremely poor taste, that's all.
It's just easier for me to leave rather than cause a scene over something I don't believe was remotely in character. If it was, I would have had no problem killing them instead or handling it some other way.
Rev. Reene, player of a few
You ask, "Who wants cake?"
>
Cayene says, "I'm good."
>
Cayene suddenly looks rather queasy.
It's just easier for me to leave rather than cause a scene over something I don't believe was remotely in character. If it was, I would have had no problem killing them instead or handling it some other way.
Rev. Reene, player of a few
You ask, "Who wants cake?"
>
Cayene says, "I'm good."
>
Cayene suddenly looks rather queasy.
MONDAE
Re: Should the Nobles of the lands execute those questioning their rule?
01/10/2006 07:05 PM CST
Sweet. I am heretofore Countess Erin of Erintopia.
SYLVERWIND
Re: Should the Nobles of the lands execute those questioning their rule?
01/10/2006 07:08 PM CST
Think I'll stick with Reverend Reene.
There's Minister Reene, but that doesn't sound as good. Alliteration is fun!
Rev. Reene, player of a few
You ask, "Who wants cake?"
>
Cayene says, "I'm good."
>
Cayene suddenly looks rather queasy.
There's Minister Reene, but that doesn't sound as good. Alliteration is fun!
Rev. Reene, player of a few
You ask, "Who wants cake?"
>
Cayene says, "I'm good."
>
Cayene suddenly looks rather queasy.
SAMOYED
Re: Should the Nobles of the lands execute those questioning their rule?
01/29/2006 08:59 AM CST
I have to chime in and agree with Cay. Seems the only roleplay within the structure of nobility is either centered around the war or militia. What he suggests makes tons of sense. How about a special counsel to hear cases to avoid having the Prince or Baron involved unless there is an in-game appeal. Right now the only "justice" system we have is either for death/stealing or PvP policies. Politics are played out in the war events but die out soon after. This would be a great way to "continue the story". The "counsel" could be appointed by the Prince/Baron and instructed with some basic parameters for what would constitute treason or inciting dissent.
Way to go Cay!
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Way to go Cay!
Necromancy 101:
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MONDAE
Re: Should the Nobles of the lands execute those questioning their rule?
01/29/2006 10:51 AM CST
This is a horrible idea.
Evil people should be allowed to plot and function without boundaries.
I have world domination to think of here. WORLD DOMINATION.
Don't throw a wrench in my plans!
You guys just keep patrolling up and down the northern trade route, that's a good militia <pat pats>....
=}
Evil people should be allowed to plot and function without boundaries.
I have world domination to think of here. WORLD DOMINATION.
Don't throw a wrench in my plans!
You guys just keep patrolling up and down the northern trade route, that's a good militia <pat pats>....
=}
MARTINEZN1
Re: Should the Nobles of the lands execute those questioning their rule?
01/29/2006 11:26 AM CST
Don't throw a wrench in my plans!
To quote someone: Paladins trouble one and all.
To quote someone: Paladins trouble one and all.
