See my post under HE. Preventing you from leaving a hunting area is using game mechanics against a PC, especially if you were training and needed to leave to get healed.

If they do this again, the webs should have a vitality. They lose vitality every time someone gets tangled up in them, up to something like 10 tangles and they disappear. It's still annoying, inefficient, and less effective than figuring out the puzzle, but it's not so punitive that the right response is to go to discord and ask for help or log out.

<<After some back and forth I've decided to present some numbers. I'm presenting them as-is with no justification and only a tiny bit of context, since my goal here is to share some of the data we're seeing.>>

Thanks, I guess? I mean I'm not really sure what the point here is to present numbers without context and with no justification.

Numbers of webbed portals and broodlings killed don't mean anything. The complaints have nothing to do with numbers. The complaints are about the overall design of this event (or lack thereof).

Like, why would you lean your web removal system on the super buggy and fragmented fire/light mechanics? That's only ever going to lead to frustrated players who are performing correct actions but because some torches are coded all special they will not work. It's not a secret those systems are in the state they are and I'm sure you guys didn't have time to fully test and fix all of that so why push it out anyway? Not to mention your failure messaging gives zero context to what you did wrong. Did you use the wrong tool or the wrong verb? These are not new problems.

The spidernappings happening without any respect to location is very immersion breaking. It is extremely disruptive to gameplay for what reason again? I don't find being pulled to my death at random very engaging. Why were boundaries not created for where the system could grab you?

This is the lead in to your flagship yearly event. This should be a fun and enjoyable thing for those who want to participate. Not something that's keeping me and others from logging in to avoid.

I'm not sure which is worse that you knew about many of these issues and pushed it out anyway or that you were blind to what you were doing. I get the "ooh we have a cool event idea" and all, but if you can't pull it off then you don't do it and scale back to what you have the time to do correctly. We shouldn't be beta testing something this disruptive in the live game. And yeah not having time or resources to fix the wacked out fire/light systems means you are not doing it correctly.

But, you guys have some numbers. Numbers that mean something...I guess.

~Nexty

Same.

I haven't been able to play much lately and I thought I'd log in my Trader to work on her Trading (via outfitting) skills in the tailoring guild for a while this past Saturday (10/26)- I heard about the event but hadn't heard anything about what I would face upon logging in. Hyper-Arachnophobia as I am I thought to myself - its fine, I'll avoid those areas. I'm so little anyhow I don't need to be a burden on our clerics or empaths.

So I log in, hop into an empty workroom to start knitting, and the door gets webbed over without my knowledge. I couldn't get out - absolutely no means to escape, the web didn't just go away after a bit, I had no weapon on me - why would I? I'm knitting. I'm only 12th level so my access to spells is severely limited, I have no torch, no tools - again why would I? The web gave me no indication of how to defeat it, it did not deteriorate even after waiting 30 minutes to see if it would. There I was, stuck with a workorder that I couldn't turn in and no means of escape. Only by the grace of some kind players that I had to contact outside of the game interface, did I finally get out - and after turning my workorder in and realizing that most of the workrooms were webbed over and I couldn't continue working that skill...and then hearing others say they were pulled into tunnels they couldn't escape - I quit out...and I see no real reason to return until this event is over.

My little trader doesn't always carry around armor, its heavy. She doesn't always have a weapon on her if she's in the town proper, especially if she's just working on learning non-combat skills. By what means exactly, in game, would I have been able to learn what I needed to have/do in order to free myself from these webs? What mechanic was in place to let me puzzle that out for myself, and upon perhaps learning what tools I needed to aid myself, how would I have survived running around and collecting those items, when everywhere I went was webbed over, including the vaults (in case there was something in there I could use) and I faced the real possibility that unarmored and unarmed, I would be unlucky enough to be dragged into a tunnel to face certain death no matter how diligently I were to try to avoid those circumstances?

This is absolutely the worst.

We aren't all the same, we all aren't high level, we don't all want to involve ourselves in these situations.
So, if I want to avoid the event - I'm forced to stay logged out? That shouldn't be the solution.

So terribly disappointed.

I acknowledge the rollout of this event has not been perfect, particularly spiders grabbing people in homes and certain portal webbings. However here's some advice if you would like to participate (or avoid):

- A good Bard makes a great companion against the broodlings because we can calm a bunch at once, which ideally brings you down to fighting 1 at a time.

- If you get dragged down unexpectedly, try to retreat quickly and GO HOLE to get back out.

- Most webs can be burned or removed with light. To burn them all you need is a lighter or, I believe, flint + weapon + something that burns (like peat or a branch). I know burning peat works but haven't tested how to light with flint yet. For light, you can use gaethzen, starglass, or a number of spells. You might also try a lantern if you're an NMU. The third web type just requires tinker's tools.

- If you're stuck somewhere, gweth for help. You can get a WM to deliver the materials to remove your web.

- The First Land Herald published a bunch of info about these spiders, their webs, and the event. You can find these newsletters in game at most docks (GET NEWSLETTER if you see a news stand).

- Try Discord if you must, get help there! Reach out.

Sorry if you're not having fun. If you see me online feel free to ask me for help.


- Navesi

The First Land Herald -- Zoluren's newspaper. https://elanthipedia.play.net/The_First_Land_Herald

I saw these complaints earlier today and was in agreement, until I got some tinker tools, made sure to have a light source, and foraged some peat to set on fire with my peat and edged weapon... The webs are super easy to destroy! Come on. They don't even have a roundtime. It is admittedly ridiculous to make it so that people get stuck in rooms (I saw someone saying logging out and back in might help?), but other than that there isn't anything wrong with the webs. And if you get locked in a room once and then just refuse to get some tinker tools, gaethzen, peat, flint, and a knife, well I just don't know what to tell you. It's sort of on you then if it keeps happening. And before you fuss that you shouldn't have to carry these things -- it's a game and there's an event and you're supposed to be role-playing and interacting with other players...

And use your gweth to ask for help... like you really would if dragonrealms was real life.

Part of the problem is that not every torch or light source works for what you would think it should. I was listening on Discord and about half the torches from in-game stores didn't work. You can forage up a branch and light it, but it doesn't work as a source of fire or light. I have the HE gift from 2013 which works as a light. It didn't work on the webs that required a light source. Barbarians and Thieves can't use gaethzen, and it's not exactly common.

I still remember when we had an Escaping skill that was almost exclusively used for getting out of webs. Most of it's function got rolled into Athletics, but you can't use Athletics to try to get past these webs. So if you're missing the widget that gets through your specific type of web, or your widget doesn't work because fire and light are two really wonky systems, you're stuck.

Uh, hold onto that "we" stuff, not all of us are complaining or find the webs an issue. So dont lump us all into we, just as I wont say we all are enjoying the events.
I was lucky enough that when one of my novices got webbed into a room where the web only showed up on the inside but not the outside, a wm fami took them the tools they needed to get out. Yes, not everywhere can you do that, some rooms are fami banned, sometimes folks dont have gweths, some wont use outside things like discord.

But some of us are trying to roll with the punches, even when my main got dragged down, poisoned, attacked & died in less than a minute because I had looked away from the screen. She wasnt even on a task but I made a mistake in letting her stand near the strand burrow. I didnt yell about it, get mad at the gms, only person I got mad at was myself. Got her dragged & raised even after she killed the path working on her. Then again I remember the gorbesh war, the sorrow war, the red sash event, the time most everyone inside crossings got catapulted over the walls as dead bodies.

Its a game, if its making (general) you so upset then maybe its time to walk away for a bit. (shrugs)


CASTERFASTER " We don't want or need mechanics like this in the game."

while yes, it's just a game, i don't know why you feel like you were lumped into a group, you were most likely not lumped into. Plenty of US are frustrated by the events, if that isn't you, then you're not 'one of us' *insert meme here*. :)

Anyways, if you don't understand, then just accept you don't understand and ask questions. We all play the game differently, we all respond differently, and we all think differently. To use my daughter as an example. She's autistic, so the way she thinks and acts is very different from how i grew up. She's at school, and something as simple as messing up her work causes her to throw a tantrum. It doesn't really help me to sit there saying "i don't know how that could be upsetting" every time it happens. What i do know, is it happened, and in my case i had no choice but to figure out why. You don't have to figure out why we feel the way we do, but we've explained how we feel about it.

So maybe that helps explain it, who knows, but the webs can be too frustrating when you randomly get stuck someplace. Some people may get stuck hours, others minutes, many seconds, and maybe some just log out and come back days later. Hell, my Fallen character can't kill some enemies that are hanging around and keeps dying, so i haven't logged them back in since the event started. Most events i don't have that problem, but the creatures stuck around for like 2-3 days and i just got fed up with getting stuck where i have no chance of killing them or saving myself. There's other options, but i made my decision.

Is it permitted to ask how much longer this "event" will be going on seeing as how I'm locked in a hunting area and not able to get out?

You also see a split roadblock covered in gleaming metallic webbing fixed with copper mechanisms.

I like the flavor the webs add to the game. I'd like to see more events like this.

~Hunter Hanryu
>Everything Rangers have is just a lame version of something cool.~Morkim

Good idea but they REALLY needed a fallback on the webs such as after 3-4 minutes you can cut them with a weapon. Putting out a vendor that sold the necessary items to deal with the webs cheaply would also have worked well but the "this items works but that item doesn't and the same thing bought in the next town over won't work either" part really sucks.

I am going to add my two cents from Plat.. i don't mind the webs provided that i can remove them without much of a hassle. I thought that weapons were supposed to be able to remove them but using a thrusting or slicing weapon in my case did not do so. At this point, these webs should be able to be removed by trying multiple times to walk into them, honestly, nothing else should be needed. Also.. the lack of any sort of acknowledgment about how jacked up this has been from GMs has been deafening. People being stuck in places and having to rely on rescues just to exit an area is unacceptable.

Damian, a voice from the distant and long-forgotten past.