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ISHARON
Re: P5 Events-type meeting
12/07/2016 03:51 AM CST
Below is the log of the OOC meeting that was held to discuss what players would like to see in Forfedhdar (P5) events.
Date: 12/6/2016
GMs present (1): Iocanthe
Players present (16): Aieres, Etherian, Gallifreius, Isharon, Jalika, Nulak, Ograth, Rhadyn, Sendithu, Sijan, Tathalus, Whiteburn, Xionara, Yanbelev, Zehira, and anonymous [Necromancer]
[22:34] Iocanthe exclaims, "Hi!"
[22:34] Isharon says to Iocanthe, "Hello."
[22:34] Yanbelev says, "Nae."
[22:34] Yanbelev says, "They keep hidin the samatak."
[22:34] [Necromancer] says, "Hallo."
[22:35] Whiteburn says to Yanbelev, "As well they should."
[22:35] Iocanthe says, "I left all my samatak in my other boots."
[22:35] Iocanthe says, "So, this is an OOC meeting - no need to preceed conversation with OOC or anything, unless you really want to."
[22:36] Yanbelev asks Sendithu, "May I join yer class, m'lady?"
[22:36] Yanbelev says to Sendithu, "Thankees."
[22:36] Iocanthe says, "We do have someone who has volunteered to log things. Feel free to get yourself into classes and such."
[22:37] Iocanthe says, "P5. Here we are. This is a pretty amazing place, there's a lot of inherent lore, and a lot of pre-built history stuff."
[22:37] Isharon says, "A truly underappreciated province."
[22:37] Iocanthe says, "I could run with things all by myself, based on certain features built into the area, and I'm sure folks would end up having some kinds of fun with it."
[22:38] Iocanthe says, "Sort of put on a show kind of events."
[22:38] [Necromancer] says, "I'm a fan of anything that brings people out of Zoluren."
[22:38] Zehira says, "And wakes them up."
[22:38] Jalika says, "I'd prefer all the annoying people stay in Zoluren."
[22:38] Iocanthe says, "What I'm hoping to find out is what you all would be interested in, though."
[22:39] Zehira says to [Necromancer], "Gonna let you talk on ours, you're more eleoquent than I am."
[22:39] Iocanthe says, "There's something about when a person is really interested in what they're doing.. they draw others in without even having to try too hard."
[22:39] Isharon says, "I would be interested in some events/plots relating to the blight near Asketi's Mount, personally."
[22:40] Isharon says, "Especially the vela'tohr."
[22:40] Sijan says, "Kicking those Yshai off the plateau and getting more appropriate guards would be nice."
[22:40] [Necromancer] says, "I second that. There are storylines releavnt to a number of guilds to be had there."
[22:40] Iocanthe asks, "The vela'tohr is fascinating, yes. Lots of room for expansion and such. Do you have any particular aspect or aspects that you'd like examined?"
[22:40] Sendithu says, "For me, anything to do with the Rose Sisters."
[22:41] Iocanthe says, "Another lovely point of interest."
[22:41] Isharon says, "My other main character is an Empath, so something along the lines of examining why the vela'tohr are blighted and if anything can be done to restore them to their former glory."
[22:41] [Necromancer] says, "With regards to Necromancers and storylines, Xerasyth certainly has a long and interesting history and could be an interesting character to have continued presence."
[22:41] Iocanthe says, "There may be aspects of things we discuss that would revert to a guild team - everything we discuss today is going to the whole Events team, including guild specialists."
[22:42] Whiteburn says, "I am very predictable and interested mostly in the spiritual aspects. Asketi's Mount in particular, though perhaps there could be some stuff with Zachriedek since he seems to have a large amount of followers in Hib."
[22:42] Whiteburn says, "Altars and such."
[22:42] Iocanthe says, "There are definitely some places to hook in the Immortals, both cleric-specific and more general."
[22:42] Sijan says, "I think one great aspect of P5 is that there are tons of different groups running around and we really haven't seen how they interact that much. The Plateau, the Dwarves, The Sisters, etc. Lots of groups that have been there for a while and are ripe to actually participate in things."
[22:42] Isharon says, "Asketi has not done one of her famous rides in some time."
[22:43] Iocanthe says, "It is a VERY diverse area."
[22:43] Iocanthe says, "With very diverse groups."
[22:43] Sijan says, "Which I would think would bring things up."
[22:43] Isharon says, "Then there is that unfinished Paladin plotline involving the true code, the tomb of Emille, etc."
[22:43] Iocanthe says, "And with a landscape like this, it is easy to see how some groups stay more isolated."
[22:44] Isharon says, "From some friends on AIM who can't make it: redeemed Necromancers."
[22:45] [Necromancer] asks, "Why this area specifically for the redeemed?"
[22:45] Sijan says, "Not particularly sure why that would fit in here though."
[22:45] Zehira says, "I don't see why it would be with Xerasyth being the guildleader."
[22:45] [Necromancer] says, "Yeah, respectfully that doesn't seem very Xerasyth-esque. Maybe kind of possibly Nishenko."
[22:46] Zehira says, "That's more a Book area I'd think, since we had our last meeting in Boar Clan about the perverse."
[22:46] Iocanthe says to Isharon, "If your friends on IM have specifics that would make this area right, we're still listening."
[22:46] Isharon says, "AIM friend on redeemed: "I thought it was an Inquisition type thing. My bad. I just got here."
[22:47] Iocanthe asks, "So, Rose Sisters - are there specific things that you'd like to see or hear from them?"
[22:47] [Necromancer] says, "Brb."
[22:48] Tathalus says, "Yes."
[22:48] Sendithu says, "I'd like to see them out and about and involved in other courts again."
[22:48] Sijan says, "Being Rose Sistery."
[22:48] Sendithu says, "We had Vethine in Shard for a long time, I'd like to see them be more of a presence like they're supposed to be."
[22:49] Tathalus says, "Anything right about now, I like how they control the inner workings, and not just in Ain, Id like to see more of them volunteering people for work that needs done."
[22:49] Iocanthe says, "Also, please forgive me dropping silent from time to time. I'm feeling a bit queasy."
[22:49] [Necromancer] says, "Hang in there."
[22:50] Whiteburn says to Iocanthe, "Totally fine. Sorry you're not feeling well."
[22:50] [Necromancer] says, "Just as a general comment - I think it's kind of a shame that there are areas that are virtually abandoned at all times. Ain and Muspar'i come to mind, and I'd like to see motivations or reasons to utilize those spaces more. Maybe make them more accessible somehow."
[22:51] Iocanthe asks, "When you say you'd like to see them volunteering - do you have something specific in mind? Do you want them interacting more with other provincial NPCs, more related to things strictly within P5?"
[22:51] Whiteburn says, "I've always thought Ain Ghazal was a really neat place... just not a whole lot of reason to go there."
[22:51] Zehira says, "It's hell to climb through."
[22:52] Iocanthe says, "It is."
[22:52] Iocanthe says, "Like Aesry, on steroids."
[22:52] Zehira says, "Especially for a thief that has to go there and isn't good at climbing."
[22:52] Sendithu says, "It's not so bad."
[22:52] Isharon says, "And not even a flying broom helps there."
[22:52] [Necromancer] says, "Muspar'i is similarly annoying to reach with similar lack of reason to do so."
[22:52] Zehira says, "Aesry...maybe we need a guild there."
[22:52] Iocanthe asks, "Are there things that might make it more worth being in these places?"
[22:53] Yanbelev asks Zehira, "'Riss, .... the isle of the damned, meby?"
[22:53] Isharon says to Iocanthe, "Events."
[22:53] Isharon says, "I know it's not about Muspar'i, but if they did away with the shifting maze nature of the dunes so you had a more practical barge bypass, that would help tremendously."
[22:53] Zehira says to Yanbelev, "Yes but then people would want gated there all the time."
[22:53] Iocanthe exclaims, "How convenient!"
[22:53] Whiteburn says, "As far as I know, Ain Ghazal is mostly just a Thieves Guild only place. I understand why it's like that, but it would be nice if there was reason for other guilds to go there."
[22:53] [Necromancer] says, "Generally, other than interesting critters to hunt and convenience of training, ease of access would be nice too. Like, I think Throne is pretty much only visited, generally, by people wanting to forget spells in the library. Events bring all the kids to the yard."
[22:54] Yanbelev asks, "Are there any provisions for an official order in p5?"
[22:54] Isharon says to Iocanthe, "Combined with making it less of a PITA to get there and train there. (There is no leather repair shop in Muspar'i, for example.)."
[22:54] Aieres says, "Invasions tend to draw people."
[22:54] Sendithu asks, "I feel like the orders that currently exist are so cookie cutter and similar, why would there need to be a new one?"
[22:55] [Necromancer] asks, "But wandering GMPCs chatting and doing stuff also brigns people like whoa. Didn't Tev come back a little while ago, and like, well over 15 moonies showed up to follow him around and hand him tea?"
[22:55] Sendithu asks, "To promote learning and helping people...but this time in P5 so it's completely different from the three in Zoluren that all do the same thing?"
[22:55] Iocanthe says, "Invasions do draw people in - and then they leave. I have tried a couple of invasions up here this week and nobody even showed up."
[22:55] Yanbelev asks, "Did we even hear about them?"
[22:55] Whiteburn says, "Some people don't really like invasions."
[22:55] Zehira says, "I must have been training. I didn't know about them."
[22:56] Gallifreius quietly says, "Frankly, GMNPC interaction was the most fun I've ever had, especially since I didn't know it at the time."
[22:56] Sendithu says, "Invasions are dull. They're either too easy or the auto-kill unavoidable arrow volley type things."
[22:56] Iocanthe says, "They ended up being later than I hoped, because.. reasons."
[22:56] Tathalus says, "Theres no way to hear about them."
[22:56] Xionara softly says, "It depends on what type of invasion we're talking about."
[22:56] Zehira says, "I don't like invasions because twice I helped in the Crossing and twice after I got ganked for being a necromancer."
[22:56] Yanbelev says, "Also, the travel time, to come out, for a random invasion, and then, .... travel back, is a big deterent."
[22:56] Zehira says, "That's kinda why I don't help anymore."
[22:56] [Necromancer] says, "Yeah, generally, I dont' think invasion mechanics are really in place for them to be interesting to everyone."
[22:56] Tathalus says, "But instead of an invasion, lets say the town becomes besieged."
[22:56] Isharon says, "If you're not a Moon Mage and don't have high-athletics, a lot of people don't bother coming out this far, because they assume the action will be over by the time they finally get here."
[22:56] Tathalus says, "Couple GMPCs to interact with as well."
[22:56] Yanbelev says, "That's kept me from heppin in several invasions, 'rount Crossins, an Haven, while I'm huntin down here."
[22:56] Sijan says, "I think the big thing that really gets people into things is being able to get here and a culture happening."
[22:57] Yanbelev says, "I've had that happen, running from here, to Crossins."
[22:57] [Necromancer] says, "And clearing out the headsplitter exploit was good for pushing some of the egregious bots out."
[22:57] Whiteburn says, "I also think it would be nice if there were some official positions open to players. As far as I'm aware, that never really existed in P5."
[22:57] Sijan says, "So invasions that are one off or anything are temporary draws but seeing the Sisters or other political/group things that people could get involved in would draw people."
[22:57] Iocanthe asks, "Talk to me about a town being besieged, Tathalus?"
[22:57] Yanbelev says to [Necromancer], "Jus in time for me to get there, an .... no boxes."
[22:57] [Necromancer] says, "I second that GMPCs and events are better than invasions."
[22:58] Sijan says, "Especially right now people are looking for things to do and get involved in that don't have microtransations."
[22:58] Tathalus asks, "Like how Zoluren almost did something with the Elpalzi?"
[22:58] Gallifreius quietly says, "Invasions are more akin to skill-checks, they aren't inclusive for average or new players."
[22:58] Tathalus says, "Actually have an opposing force."
[22:58] Iocanthe says, "Oh, those Elpalzi."
[22:58] Isharon says, "Invasions absent some greater plot don't really do much for me."
[22:58] Tathalus says, "And a front line."
[22:58] Etherian says to Tathalus, "Pretty much an invasion, but in an event format.. longer term invasions."
[22:58] Zehira says, "[Necromancer] and I got quite a few people to the last necro meeting we had, even though the guild is in apes. I think people would come if they had a reason to."
[22:58] Tathalus says, "But something better than the elpalzi."
[22:59] Tathalus says to Etherian, "Something fresh and new."
[22:59] Iocanthe asks, "Better than Elpalzi, eh?"
[22:59] Sijan says to Zehira, "I was sad I missed it."
[22:59] Yanbelev says, "Not quite like the cyclops, an undead, that was just fun, but, .... we've been there, done that, ... the names change, is all."
[22:59] Gallifreius quietly says, "Frankly Zehira, I wanted to see gmnpc xerascyth again >.>."
[22:59] [Necromancer] says, "Yeah, honestly, the turn out for necro meetings, even just for 'lets talk about lore' has been pretty good. I've been terrible about giving advanced notice, even, but we tend to have between 8 and a dozen people."
[22:59] Tathalus says, "Yes, we GMPCs on BOTH sides during skirmishes."
[23:00] Sijan says, "There also are tons of locations and places that are rumored or not found out here yet as actual places. It could be neat having a search or something to find a new city or camp."
[23:00] Zehira says to Sijan, "It was a good meeting, lots was talked of, we hope to have more."
[23:00] [Necromancer] says, "I don't want to completely dominate conversation regarding necromancers, but i think people are generally pretty excited about lore, and the prospect of just discussing it. Events involving those storylines I think would bring a lot of people down."
[23:00] Whiteburn says, "What she said."
[23:00] Zehira says to Gallifreius, "He was in his office as always."
[23:00] Isharon says, "In addition to travel issues and perceptions about skill levels required to participate, one reason invasions fail to grab people is that they seem inconsequential. Does anything bad happen if defenders don't show up? Usually not."
[23:00] Tathalus says, "Maybe even a counter, for participation in the battle, so, people can earn like a prestige, make it even more worth it to fight for a cause."
[23:00] Sijan says, "][Necromancer] Dominate all you want but unfortunately like most things we are just at a standstill that sadly Iocanthe can't fix really."
[23:01] Iocanthe says to Sijan, "I was thinking of two things that sort of work off that."
[23:01] Etherian says, "Nenav Dalar."
[23:01] Sijan says, "New places also draw people."
[23:01] Zehira says to Sijan, "We might be a standstill bue we're trying to fix that."
[23:01] Yanbelev says, "Aye, they do."
[23:01] Zehira says, "Not bue, I'm not casting, but."
[23:01] Sijan says, "And then if there is a good reason to get and stay involved people can stay."
[23:02] Tathalus says, "People will fight, but when theres no pay off, like those out of town invasions in Zoluren, people lose interest really quick."
[23:02] Sijan says, "There is great hunting out here."
[23:02] Yanbelev says, "Qi has been dead in the water for .... ages, no new stuff. P5, likewise."
[23:02] Isharon says, "The player-generated invasions can be a fun break, but one downside to them, IMO, is that it numbs people to invasions."
[23:02] [Necromancer] says, "I admit I don't know much about some of the storylines you guys have brought up."
[23:02] Zehira says, "I hunted in that area in apes, for what seemed like forever, head splitters have great gems."
[23:02] Gallifreius quietly asks, "I'm confsued, is it a staff issue? why not assign employees to each of the guilds for RP focus?"
[23:02] Iocanthe says, "I'm here to steal.. err.. borrow ideas to bring some life over here to P5. I know that GM Nohn has been having some meetings in Qi, too."
[23:03] Tathalus says, "So, in a seige, saving a city, mounting a defense and being rewarded for doing so, might bring more people."
[23:03] Iocanthe says, "It is a work in progress - but I like the idea of building PEOPLE into the world, too."
[23:03] Yanbelev says, "Aye, was there, .... hm, month and a half ago."
[23:03] [Necromancer] says, "If there were better mechanics for invasions, I tihnk they would be a good thing to bring people down and build interest, but i don't think they are."
[23:03] Whiteburn says, "I would like to see more plots that don't revolve around invasions."
[23:03] Tathalus says, "Lot of chances for new gmpcs, new creatures."
[23:03] [Necromancer] says, "Yeah, more GMPC interactions, more lore to uncover."
[23:03] Yanbelev asks, "What sorts of things are available, behind the scenes?"
[23:03] Zehira says to Whiteburn, "[Necromancer] and I are working on one you might be interested in."
[23:04] Sijan says, "Of course I'll always advocate for my people so I will say making where it isn't all happening in justice areas with goodie goodies so necromancers can participate is always appreciated especially at the planning stages."
[23:04] Iocanthe says, "So if, say, someone does have a long family history in the area, people might know that that's where [Necromancer]'s grandfather used to work, and this place over here is where Tathalus's uncle fell in the water and almost died but got saved because.. (what was that story again?) That kinda thing."
[23:04] Zehira says to Whiteburn, "You could quite possibly try and kill me."
[23:04] Iocanthe says, "I can throw invasion after invasion but that's never really been MY favorite thing."
[23:04] [Necromancer] asks Iocanthe, "That sounds interesting, are you talking about a mechanical system for writing character stories into the area?"
[23:04] [Necromancer] asks, "Somewhat like the RUMOR system, ish?"
[23:04] Gallifreius quietly says, "That would be brilliant."
[23:05] Gallifreius quietly says, "Hubris sells."
[23:05] Zehira says to Gallifreius, "Well we all know I think alot of myself so that would work."
[23:05] Iocanthe says, "Well, we've got some things like the rumor system and bardic recalls, so it wouldn't necessarily be reinventing the weel - and it wouldn't work for EVERYTHING.. but I kinda like the idea of people's history.."
[23:06] Gallifreius quietly says, "It's compelling."
[23:06] Isharon says to Iocanthe, "Anything that makes the world feel 'lived in' is good."
[23:06] [Necromancer] says, "I do too, very much. Lately, I've felt like one of the issues with DR as a whole is that it's somehow becoming more impersonal."
[23:06] Iocanthe says, "Without you guys, there's nothing."
[23:06] Xionara softly says to Iocanthe, "I would like to travel beyond the Great Salt Road, into the mines, and find out why the Tivshowldh Mountains are considered cursed. There's a piece of artwork on the meditation wall in Albreda's Shrine in outer Hibarnhvidar..."
[23:06] Isharon says, "Players want to see how their characters' actions affect the world in big and small ways."
[23:06] [Necromancer] says, "I like the community MORE today than in years past, but I still feel like there's less PC interaction or impact on the world."
[23:07] Zehira says, "I would never want to show that Zehira affects the world."
[23:07] Iocanthe says, "I was reading on the boards about the spider thing - where people thought it was mostly just a show to watch as Kurmin went and did his things.."
[23:07] Sijan says, "That is kind of how most feel about events."
[23:07] Sijan says, "Because many of us have seen that happen."
[23:07] [Necromancer] says, "And that's also historically a hard balance to strike, to be fair."
[23:08] Iocanthe says, "I always kinda feel like there IS a place for that, and that's what palaces with stage mechanics are for."
[23:08] Whiteburn says to Iocanthe, "Players really didn't get to DO much. It was Kurmin and Soraent doing all the ... doing. All we could really do was speculate about visions and get killed in invasions."
[23:08] [Necromancer] says, "It's hard roping people into an RP event such that it isn't a performance, but also keeping a storyline on track."
[23:08] Isharon says to Iocanthe, "As I mentioned, these sorts of things really aren't very transparent to players, and occasional reassurances on a sparsely read, unsearchable forum don't do much to counter the perception among players that events are mostly GMPC theater."
[23:08] Iocanthe asks Whiteburn, "It may have looked that way.. but what would've happened if someone said "Hey, this guy is NUTS! Stop him! Kill him!"?"
[23:08] Gallifreius quietly says to Isharon, "Nail on the head."
[23:09] Whiteburn says, "Depends on who the player who said that was, really."
[23:09] Whiteburn says, "And how much pull he or she has with the community."
[23:09] [Necromancer] says, "Remember during the Lyras war, how there were temple cambrinth charging parties? That was neat."
[23:09] Zehira says to Whiteburn, "Bingo."
[23:09] Isharon says to Iocanthe, "Additionally, with respect to the spider event, it is hard to plausibly RP different beliefs or theories when you effectively have an omniscient NPC putting stuff out there in a way that seems not up for debate or interpretation."
[23:09] Sendithu says, "There was some nice sideline stuff happening with Inyasa, but I honestly have no clue what was going on with Kurmin and had a hard time caring. Even the Inyasa stuff fell flat because I could never catch up with Soraent to do what I was supposed t do."
[23:09] Whiteburn says to Sendithu, "Same."
[23:10] Whiteburn says, "Soraent had all the correct answers anyway. I feel like there wasn't really much to do... it's hard to know what actions of our result in a reaction, and what react in nothing."
[23:10] Isharon says, "At the same time, I hope posts like that one on the forum about the spider don't lead players to believe that the only way to affect the course of events is to kill NPCs."
[23:10] Sendithu says, "The Kurmin bit felt like 'okay here's the HE tie in, please to enjoy the hilarity', and had all the usual people talking darkly and supporting it, it just wasn't for me."
[23:10] Sijan says, "I got to the party late so only got to see the fun stuff at the end but I loved Kurmin and wanted to see how crazy he would go and help."
[23:10] [Necromancer] says, "Also, and this is probably getting really sidetracked, but I remember finding on epedia mention of races beyond the mountains that we know very little about, probably only singular mentions in one book somewhere that people haven't bothered to check in ages. I worry that a lot of the games lore is somewhat obfuscated behind intended mystery, and as we see a winding down of story dev, that a lot of this stuff will or is lost."
[23:10] [Necromancer] says, "Chat will get lost, or is lostl."
[23:11] You wryly say, "That being said, as a spider fanatic, I liked that the spider came alive."
[23:11] Sijan says, "But in the past, especially with HE, twice I got burned putting in a ton of effort in to the intro quest to find out nothing came."
[23:11] Gallifreius quietly says to [Necromancer], "That's DR lore in a nutshell, there's volumes that isn't visited =/."
[23:11] Iocanthe says, "It was one possibly outcome, and it works okay."
[23:11] Xionara softly says to Iocanthe, "And perhaps have that culminate with a new route connecting Muspar'i to Hib through those mountains....nod [Necromancer] agree."
[23:11] Zehira says, "I do love my spiders, shame I didn't get to see the big one."
[23:12] Iocanthe says, "So, I know the east coast folks, this is getting late and I don't want to keep folks up."
[23:12] Zehira asks, "Isn't there a ranger trail that goes from Lang to Hib?"
[23:12] Whiteburn says, "Persida said she was surprised that more people didn't try to do stuff... and I think it's because at least some of us have been burned before when we've tried and had nothing - at least nothing we could perceive - happen."
[23:12] Sendithu says, "I mean even now, I don't know what the point of it all was."
[23:12] Ograth says, "Or worried we are just being distruptive."
[23:12] Gallifreius quietly says, "Hah."
[23:12] Sendithu asks, "So the spider came alive and Kurmin is nuts, people were barfing animals and Inyasa is possibly possessed...and what?"
[23:12] Jalika says, "Ranger trail, and can be escorted by the ranger lady."
[23:13] Isharon says, "Yeah, I think a lot of players would assume that killing GMPCs during events might result in a warning for being disruptive."
[23:13] Nulak says, "As far as the opening ceremony it as, Kurmin prayed, people lifted up their atulave or whatever, spider intensifies.. go shopping."
[23:13] Iocanthe says, "Sometimes there are things that HAVE to happen - like we're bringing in a new thing or a significant change to a thing but we're trying to show IC reasons for it."
[23:13] Jalika says, "I would echo a link up to Muspari would be great for both locations."
[23:13] Zehira says, "Well I was thinking for people getting here to be a part of things, the ranger trail and my moonmage can open gates here."
[23:13] Gallifreius quietly asks Iocanthe, "What has changed, after having had this discussion? what will you take away?"
[23:13] Iocanthe says, "Other times, we've got some roleplay goal in mind "This guy is gonna get that horse to the other place."
[23:13] Iocanthe says, "And we've got a lot more flexibility with those kinds of things."
[23:13] Yanbelev says to Zehira, "There's a ranger, yer ccan give ... 3 plat, I think it is, that will take yer from the Rakash city, to Asketi's mount, same mechs as the balloon, or the mammoths, it seems."
[23:13] Iocanthe says, "Mostly what I'm looking for is that more flexible kind of thing."
[23:13] Isharon says, "While we are on the topic of Hollow Eve and the dark aspects: the dark aspects get way more screen time than the neutral or light aspects. Part of this is just a Hollow Eve thing, which tends to revolve around the machinations of one or more dark aspects. However, I'd really like to see some events that target worshippers of the other aspects."
[23:14] Zehira says to Yanbelev, "Nifty."
[23:14] [Necromancer] says, "I would especially like to see events not behind pay walls."
[23:14] Whiteburn says, "That would be nice."
[23:14] Iocanthe says, "Those are the ideas I'm fielding here."
[23:14] Ograth says, "My character worships the light gods just because it seems anything related to them is just so uncommon."
[23:14] Yanbelev says, "That's killin the game, as well, IMO."
[23:14] Iocanthe says, "And I've gotten a few areas of interest that are specific to here in P5 and a few others that might end up being more specific to one guild or another."
[23:15] Yanbelev says, "If ye wanna see somethin new, participate in somethin diffrent, .... drag your credit card along for the ride."
[23:15] Zehira says, "And people are making a killing from those pay events."
[23:15] Gallifreius quietly says to Iocanthe, "At that point, it's feasible, but you need to have staff to play flexible actors towards IC goals."
[23:15] Gallifreius quietly says to Iocanthe, "Any player interaction has to be neglible at best, but seemingly important."
[23:15] Iocanthe says, "What I'd like to ask is for some email followup on these ideas."
[23:15] [Necromancer] says, "Gladly. I'll even try and be succinct."
[23:15] Sijan says, "I knew this was all a trick just to get my phone number."
[23:16] Zehira says to Gallifreius, "I don't think you need just staff, I think there are great rpers in this game that could do just a good a job in rping things to get people to participate."
[23:16] Gallifreius quietly says to Zehira, "To be honest, I wouldn't know. I believe it's possible though! =)."
[23:16] Whiteburn says to Iocanthe, "I think that what they're doing in Qi with the RP reporting form is a great idea."
[23:16] Zehira says, "Sendithu and Whiteburn are great, I've never actually rped with them, but I've seen logs. [Necromancer] and I rp quite often, so there are people there."
[23:16] Whiteburn says, "Honestly I think all the provinces should have something like that."
[23:16] Sendithu says, "Honestly I'd like to see more nichey player driven stuff happening independantly of GMs."
[23:16] Yanbelev says, "It heps when the ball gets rollin, sometimes, staff getting the first snowball started, pique interest, and some of us can then, keep it rolling down the hill."
[23:17] Sendithu says, "I do mountain elf meetings, the necro meetings are really well done, Whiteburn's got her own brand of crazy."
[23:17] Sendithu says, "Lasika was doing Prydaen stuff."
[23:17] [Necromancer] says, "I'm glad you guys are on the same page, as names I recognize and think of as knowledgeable players."
[23:17] Sendithu says, "I think that's the kind of thing that draws people in and makes them stick around."
[23:18] Zehira says, "Just because I train all day doesn't mean I won't come out for rp, it's why I'm here."
[23:18] Gallifreius quietly says, "I dislike agreeing with zehira for RP reasons, but agree entirely."
[23:18] Zehira says, "The bulls and wyvern don't seem to want to rp."
[23:18] Gallifreius quietly says, "If that isn't evidence of the distinction, I don't know what it."
[23:18] Yanbelev says, "It heps when the action is taking place, somewhat near to where we're already training, as well."
[23:18] Gallifreius quietly says, "Is =p."
[23:19] Zehira says to Gallifreius, "Is ok, everyone disagrees with me."
[23:19] Nulak says, "Do not."
[23:19] [Necromancer] says, "We are spread out of course, but I really like the new gweths. Ioc, I bet if you gweths as an GMNPC that you were doing stuff, people would flock to it."
[23:19] Iocanthe says, "I did use the gweth last night.. but it was subtle."
[23:20] Whiteburn says to [Necromancer], "I wish more GMPCs used gweths."
[23:20] Zehira says, "Cept when they smash you."
[23:20] Zehira says, "Oh wait."
[23:20] Whiteburn says, "It's a pet peeve of mine that we're somehow supposed to instantly know when a GM logs in because of a tweet."
[23:20] Zehira says, "Time out."
[23:20] Yanbelev says, "I might have been not paying attention to gweth."
[23:20] Gallifreius quietly says, "Agreed, that's a great way to bring players in."
[23:20] Iocanthe says, "I know we've got a few folks who are really good at stirring people up on the gweths."
[23:20] Zehira says, "Not me."
[23:20] Gallifreius quietly asks, "Denonces?"
[23:20] [Necromancer] says, "I suppose it's unfair of me to add the caveat of 'supposing it's an activity people like'."
[23:20] Isharon says to Whiteburn, "I mean, it's kind of treated like 'this means there is some rumor you've heard,' but I feel more comfortable responding to IC prompts."
[23:20] Whiteburn says, "I like that more stuff is being tweeted, but... I do know that GMPCs wear gweths so it's puzzled me why they don't use em more."
[23:21] Yanbelev asks, "Where's Splatjack, when yer wanna stir the gweth?"
[23:21] Iocanthe says, "Oh, I meant staff folks, like Geva."
[23:21] Sijan says to Whiteburn, "Maybe they are training stealing too so they don't want to waste charges."
[23:21] Zehira says to [Necromancer], "Could you imagine one of our guildleaders on gweth."
[23:21] [Necromancer] says, "Maybe there could be an extra channel, like, regional, that was specifically used by GMs for announcing activities in the area? IC, of course."
[23:21] Yanbelev says, "Ooosh."
[23:21] [Necromancer] says to Zehira, "I would be there SOOOOO fast."
[23:21] Sendithu says, "There is a local channel."
[23:21] Isharon asks [Necromancer], "The local channel?"
[23:21] Iocanthe says, "There is the local channel."
[23:21] Gallifreius quietly says to [Necromancer], "Same."
[23:21] Sendithu says, "I don't know what the range is really like."
[23:21] Yanbelev says to Zehira, "First, the general populace would have to know who they are, an what they are."
[23:22] [Necromancer] says, "See, IF ONLY THERE WAS A LOCAL CHANNEL."
[23:22] Isharon says to Sendithu, "Local range is old kyanite range."
[23:22] Zehira says, "Yan yes, especially if one was translating for the other."
[23:22] Isharon says to Sendithu, "Basically regional but gweth zone wonkery."
[23:22] Sendithu says to Isharon, "Yeah but this province is odd. You used to sit in the spire and hear -nothing-."
[23:22] Iocanthe says, "So, I will keep using the gweths. But I'm going to tell you now, my NPCs are subtle."
[23:22] Whiteburn asks, "Oh... I don't know if this is more p5 or Ilithi, but I would like to see more of the dragon priests. Isn't there an actual honest to gods dragon leading it? How come we never see him?"
[23:23] Zehira exclaims, "The dragon is sleeping is why!"
[23:23] Sendithu says, "You cross over the path to gryphons and it was like boom, different world. Raven's Point was my cone of silence."
[23:23] Iocanthe says, "So if you hear someone talking about life at the palace without screaming "I'm an NPC."
[23:23] Whiteburn says to Iocanthe, "Noted."
[23:23] [Necromancer] says, "Yeah, and kind of fallen/failed Necromantic shinnanigans. That's a gold mine."
[23:23] Zehira says, "I hate it when my shennaigans fail."
[23:23] Iocanthe says, "That's a little more P4, but the GM in charge of that will see the log so it'll get noticed. (The dragon thing, I mean)."
[23:23] Gallifreius quietly says, "I do like the world dragon though, that's not guild-specific."
[23:24] [Necromancer] asks, "Ioc, given some of the geographical spread of illithi and hib, are you gwething on local or general?"
[23:24] Iocanthe says, "Last night, it was a cleric specific thing with a cleric specific NPC, so I used that channel."
[23:24] Iocanthe says, "But I will try to use the channels that make the most sense."
[23:24] Yanbelev says, "So, non clerics wouldnee heard it."
[23:24] Rhadyn quietly says, "Can't get more subtle than that."
[23:24] Iocanthe says, "(Last night, clerics were using cleric channel to talk about what I was doing.)."
[23:25] Whiteburn says to Iocanthe, "D'oh... I wasn't around."
[23:25] [Necromancer] says, "I'm super glad to know that's going on."
[23:25] Iocanthe says, "It was way later than I hoped to get started."
[23:25] Gallifreius quietly asks, "Just to be certain, clerics were gwething about gmnpc cleric action?"
[23:25] Iocanthe says, "They didn't notice it was a GMNPC."
[23:25] Iocanthe says, "I'm sneaky and subtle with my NPCs."
[23:25] Gallifreius quietly says, "Brb becomming redeemed."
[23:25] Iocanthe says, "I'm not going to come screaming in yelling "NPC."
[23:26] Whiteburn says to Iocanthe, "Just name one of your character Enpeace."
[23:26] Yanbelev asks, "Might work on yer wink wink nudge nudge, aye?"
[23:26] Iocanthe says, "I'm going to be the person you never met, wearing some random notfancy stuff."
[23:26] Whiteburn says, "I'm sad I missed it, though..."
[23:26] Iocanthe says, "Oh, there's more to come."
[23:26] Isharon says to Iocanthe, "Ideally, it shouldn't be obvious whether the person is a GMPC or regular PC."
[23:27] Whiteburn says, "Sweet."
[23:27] Iocanthe says to Isharon, "That was my thought."
[23:27] Yanbelev says, "Aye, true that."
[23:27] Isharon says, "Because it always amuses me that people react differently to the two."
[23:27] Whiteburn says, "Yeah. Honestly, I think that's the way to be."
[23:27] Iocanthe says, "I can remember back in the long ago times when GMs were running around as NPCs."
[23:27] [Necromancer] says, "Well, unless that person is distinctly a person of interest."
[23:27] Iocanthe says, "And eventually, yes, we get known."
[23:27] Sijan says to Iocanthe, "Well depending on the nature of the situation. Royalty or such being the exception to that."
[23:27] Iocanthe asks, "But my favorites were the ones where even after a week or more, I'd be asking myself "Is he or isn't he?"
[23:27] Isharon says, "Well, yeah, there will be some exceptions with VIPs."
[23:27] Iocanthe says, "Oh, of course."
[23:27] Isharon says, "But just knowing the person is a GMPC colors how people RP."
[23:28] Gallifreius quietly asks, "VIP?"
[23:28] Sijan says, "I love never knowing especially as a necromancer."
[23:28] [Necromancer] says, "Like, a guild leader or character from a major plot line."
[23:28] Isharon says, "Very important person (royalty, guildleaders, etc.)."
[23:28] Gallifreius quietly asks, "Ah! so RP significant?"
[23:28] Gallifreius quietly says, "Gotcha."
[23:28] Sijan says, "Heck and some of the greatest interactions I've had with people over long periods of time are some people I thought along the way just might have been one."
[23:29] Isharon says to Gallifreius, "That doesn't mean the others aren significant, just that some characters you will naturally know are not PCs."
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[23:29] Sendithu says, "I kind of died inside when Fayne showed up in Shard and barely anyone knew who he was."
[23:29] Iocanthe says, "I am sorry. I am probably going to be a bit distracted..."
[23:29] Gallifreius quietly exclaims to Isharon, "Of course!"
[23:29] Whiteburn says to Sendithu, "I wouldn't have known who he was..."
[23:29] Sendithu says, "I mean, it was a mountain elf function, so really..."
[23:30] Sendithu says, "If anyone -should- have known, it was the people there."
[23:30] [Necromancer] says, "Yeah, there's also the fine line to walk between 'on going and interesting storylines' and 'lorewanks favoring things that happened WAY before many of the existing playerbase were around'."
[23:30] Sijan asks Whiteburn, "Do I need to totally not-on-purpose explode your body in half again?"
[23:30] Gallifreius quietly says to Isharon, "I guess I meant "RP as a world-driven and agreed upon plotline" as opposed to RP in general."
[23:30] Iocanthe says, "No explodings, please."
[23:30] Isharon says to Gallifreius, "I just meant it as 'position is so important or historical that you know they don't give it to players.'."
[23:30] Sendithu says, "Maybe a good place to start for getting P5 stuff rolling is some smaller teaching night events? There's so much lore in this province and it feel like not many people know a lot about it."
[23:30] Zehira says to Sijan, "I can explode her too, she just doesn't know."
[23:31] Whiteburn says to Sijan, "I'm still feeling that one."
[23:31] Iocanthe says, "I really do like the idea of teaching nights."
[23:31] Gallifreius quietly says to Isharon, "Yep, I'm stealing that definiton for sure. =p."
[23:31] [Necromancer] says, "A lot of the players that I interact with these days are multiple generations of players removed from the Sorrows War plotline, so none of that really matters to them."
[23:31] Whiteburn says, "Teaching nights sound like fun."
[23:31] Yanbelev says, "P5 started with a hard shake, at the time, and, as far as I know, it hasn't really been developed much."
[23:31] Yanbelev says, "Granted, I was away four a few of those years, myself."
[23:32] Zehira says, "It's a place for all the bots to go and make money."
[23:32] Iocanthe says, "And yes, the Sorrow war was a big thing - and it semi-replaced the people who lived in the glory days of the Gorbesh.. and Lyras kind of replaced some of the Sorrow stuff so.."
[23:32] Zehira says, "I think people want a big thing like that again."
[23:32] Iocanthe says, "Those big global "kill everyone at least once" kind of things are always going to leave a lasting impact..."
[23:32] Zehira says, "I missed those things, I haven't been around as long as one might think."
[23:32] Isharon says, "I would love a big thing like that, but you also have people who complain that the big thing is disruptive to their play."
[23:32] Zehira says, "But I think they crave another big war."
[23:32] [Necromancer] says, "Right, but, as awesome as the Lyras stuff was, that was a long time ago, in real world time, and a lot of the players who participated aren't around anymore. Accordingly, a lot of the players here today who are newer simply don't really care much. It's not much more than historical backdrop."
[23:32] Sijan says, "Hey don't forget the War That We Dare Not Say The Name."
[23:33] Yanbelev says, "The Elpalzi story line is poised to do that, but, it keeps ..... slippin, like a motorcycle with a loose chain."
[23:33] Zehira says to Isharon, "It's disruptive to them sitting mindlessly."
[23:33] Yanbelev says, "False starts, drops off."
[23:33] Sijan asks Yanbelev, "Maybe it is a spy fooling us all?"
[23:33] Whiteburn asks Sijan, "Oooouttttcaaaaaaasssstttttt?"
[23:33] [Necromancer] says, "Accordingly, if Felinda or Tachid or Sahfra or Zanblay showed up, most people wouldn't really care or know. And one of those names is made up, to emphasize the point."
[23:33] Whiteburn asks, "Outcast steakhouse?"
[23:33] Gallifreius quietly asks [Necromancer], "I wouldn't be opposed to an event which required a primer on that old lore. you have to remember that DR is a huge investment to begin with. what's a little lore research?"
[23:34] Zehira says to Whiteburn, "Don't say outcast you'll get Netherlich started."
[23:34] Yanbelev says to Sijan, "A very tallented spook indeed."
[23:34] [Necromancer] says, "I think being FAMILIAR with the lore is a good idea, but sometimes the adherence to what WAS is stronger than what is HAPPENING or what COULD BE."
[23:34] Iocanthe says, "Mmm steak."
[23:34] Gallifreius quietly says to [Necromancer], "Ah, that's beyond my perspective."
[23:35] Yanbelev says, "Aye, the world has changed to a less historical, more ... instant grat, and what's happenin now, sort of place."
[23:35] Sendithu says, "Well, when nothing much is actually happening, all we have is what was."
[23:35] [Necromancer] says, "When there's a lack of stuff going on, there's nothing to talk about other than what was, and that leads to a lot of stagnation. We can only discuss Lyras or Lord Sorrow for so long before it's obviously just beating the same dead horse."
[23:35] Sijan says to [Necromancer], "Also if you don't know Zanblay then you can't sit with us."
[23:35] Zehira says, "That just starts the...back in my day."
[23:35] Gallifreius quietly says to [Necromancer], "Kind of like defining perversion? =/."
[23:35] [Necromancer] says, "Sijan gets it."
[23:36] Yanbelev says, "Which is nice, from time to time."
[23:36] Yanbelev says, "But, when two of your five days in the game involve that."
[23:36] Yanbelev says, "Even that loses it's novelty."
[23:36] [Necromancer] says, "But that's the point - Sorrows War and Lyras were huge and awesome and super interesting events. HUGE scale, I don't expect them like, even annually, but we haven't had anything like that in a LONG time."
[23:36] [Necromancer] says, "Even smaller scale events would be nice, so we can move this stuff forward."
[23:36] [Necromancer] says, "So, yeah, I applaud that."
[23:37] Whiteburn says, "What I'd like to see more is people ... I don't know if advertising is the right word, but I guess hosting their own events here and there and documenting it. Knowing that things are going on really helps to make the world feel less dead."
[23:37] Whiteburn says, "It doesn't have to be a groundbreaking event to still be fun."
[23:37] Gallifreius quietly says, "^."
[23:37] [Necromancer] says to Whiteburn, "I for one appreciate yorur brand of crazy and the way you advertise it."
[23:37] Zehira says to [Necromancer], "Maybe what we want to do, can start something, that leads to other things."
[23:38] Sendithu says, "I think the smaller, more nichey things are more fun."
[23:38] Sendithu says, "Like how many cane fights can you go to."
[23:38] Sijan says, "Apparently the answer is 0. People get angry if I show up."
[23:38] Isharon says, "With order events, it is hard to keep them fresh month after month, because each order has to produce three every month."
[23:38] [Necromancer] says, "I'm certainly not saying no small events/gatherings. Obviously, given that I've been trying to host necro meeting nights pseudoregularly for a while now."
[23:38] Zehira says, "They get angry if I show up too."
[23:38] [Necromancer] says, "But yeah, what Isharon just said."
[23:38] Sendithu says to Sijan, "They get angry when I show up to, no idea why."
[23:39] Isharon says, "Also, perceptions that purely player-driven RP doesn't really count."
[23:39] Sendithu says, "Too, even."
[23:39] Yanbelev says, "Which, we do come up with new stuff, from time to time, but, can't just do it every month, otherwise, it too gets stale."
[23:39] Gallifreius matter-of-factly says, "If I may, the GM has said nothing for the last several minutes."
[23:39] Isharon says, "Plus, for the past couple of years, a lack of local events to really give orders much of a purpose."
[23:39] Sendithu says, "She's not feeling well."
[23:39] [Necromancer] says, "I love the idea of somehow being able to leave bits of your characters story behind in a given area. I don't know what it would look like, but I think that has a lot of promise."
[23:40] Iocanthe says, "Apparently, now is the time when I need to do some admin stuff."
[23:40] Iocanthe says, "And I do apologize."
[23:40] Rhadyn gruffly asks, "You don't say?"
[23:40] Yanbelev says, "And, some, like .... how'd I put that ... Yan says .... pretty much fell flat on it's face, because new folks don't care to learn about all the verbs available to use."
[23:40] Sijan says to Gallifreius, "Possibly porcelain hugging due to aforementioned not feeling well."
[23:40] Gallifreius quietly says, "Kk."
[23:40] Iocanthe says, "No, not even that."
[23:40] Nulak asks, "Was the the anatomical rapper at the grove?"
[23:40] Sijan says, "As someone who just got out of the hospital for an appendectomy I say do your thing."
[23:41] Zehira says, "They were doing more than rappig last night."
[23:41] Rhadyn gruffly says to Isharon, "Beat me to it."
[23:41] Zehira says, "They were full fledged....doing gross stuff."
[23:41] Sendithu says, "Nice."
[23:41] Yanbelev says, "Aye, that was crude."
[23:41] Iocanthe says, "Please do send emails to the events team - I will get them set up."
[23:41] Yanbelev says, "Even by my standards."
[23:41] [Necromancer] asks, "Events team, or iocanthe@play.net?"
[23:42] Gallifreius quietly asks Zehira, "What are you referring to? what happened?"
[23:42] Zehira says to [Necromancer], "I sent ours, if she has to go admin, she knows how to find me."
[23:42] Yanbelev says to Gallifreius, "Unmentionable."
[23:42] Isharon says to Gallifreius, "Some troll who got into the holiday eggnog too early."
[23:42] Gallifreius quietly asks, "Look, if the point is to be OOC, then just mention it - no?"
[23:42] Zehira says to Gallifreius, "I can't...say...."
[23:42] Rhadyn gruffly says, "So all events will center around Dwarves. Got it. thanks Iocanthe."
[23:42] Whiteburn says, "I would really rather not know."
[23:42] Nulak says, "Yes."
[23:42] [Necromancer] says, "The troll from eysterday i think gall that we were talking about."
[23:43] Nulak says, "I agree with this fine dwarf."
[23:43] Iocanthe says, "I'd rather not know."
[23:43] Gallifreius quietly says, "Ah. I see. =/."
[23:43] Sijan says, "Cookiing Dwarves is easy once you get the shaving cream part over."
[23:43] Iocanthe says, "But.. I have to know, sadly."
[23:43] [Necromancer] says, "Yeah, just someone stirring up obnoxiousness using F2P accounts."
[23:43] Rhadyn gruffly says, "Grissle and bones."
[23:43] Sijan says, "Infusing the cream is the real trick."
[23:43] [Necromancer] says, "A little bit of internet 4chan bleed over into our fair lans."
[23:43] [Necromancer] says, "Lands."
[23:44] Yanbelev says, "They love lavender."
[23:44] Isharon says, "DR needs more race wars. Not the modern OOC kind but stirring up old racial tensions and animosities."
[23:44] Nulak says, "I like it."
[23:44] Yanbelev asks, "I heard there was a small moonatic, warmage guild war, in my absence, aye?"
[23:45] Sendithu says, "Definitely on board with race wars, I'll be right behind Sammy picking off Dwarves."
[23:45] Rhadyn gruffly exclaims, "Don't listen to the Elf!"
[23:45] Rhadyn gruffly asks, "Like that?"
[23:45] Whiteburn says, "Silly smoothskins."
[23:45] Yanbelev says, "Doggon pointy eared, self righteous, long lived beasties."
[23:45] Nulak says, "Beards vs non-beards."
[23:46] Sijan says, "Shesh and here I normally just an policing my own race."
[23:46] Sijan says, "Am."
[23:46] Gallifreius quietly says, "All I really know about mine is that we're bald."
[23:46] Gallifreius quietly says, "Possibly shifty."
[23:46] Yanbelev asks Nulak, "Where would that put the pryd, an 'kash when in moonskin?"
[23:46] Sijan says, "If you count housecats as smart enough to be considered Prydaen."
[23:46] Isharon says, "S'Kra 4 lyf."
[23:46] Iocanthe says, "Please forgive me, but I'm hiding now."
Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall rank!
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Date: 12/6/2016
GMs present (1): Iocanthe
Players present (16): Aieres, Etherian, Gallifreius, Isharon, Jalika, Nulak, Ograth, Rhadyn, Sendithu, Sijan, Tathalus, Whiteburn, Xionara, Yanbelev, Zehira, and anonymous [Necromancer]
[22:34] Iocanthe exclaims, "Hi!"
[22:34] Isharon says to Iocanthe, "Hello."
[22:34] Yanbelev says, "Nae."
[22:34] Yanbelev says, "They keep hidin the samatak."
[22:34] [Necromancer] says, "Hallo."
[22:35] Whiteburn says to Yanbelev, "As well they should."
[22:35] Iocanthe says, "I left all my samatak in my other boots."
[22:35] Iocanthe says, "So, this is an OOC meeting - no need to preceed conversation with OOC or anything, unless you really want to."
[22:36] Yanbelev asks Sendithu, "May I join yer class, m'lady?"
[22:36] Yanbelev says to Sendithu, "Thankees."
[22:36] Iocanthe says, "We do have someone who has volunteered to log things. Feel free to get yourself into classes and such."
[22:37] Iocanthe says, "P5. Here we are. This is a pretty amazing place, there's a lot of inherent lore, and a lot of pre-built history stuff."
[22:37] Isharon says, "A truly underappreciated province."
[22:37] Iocanthe says, "I could run with things all by myself, based on certain features built into the area, and I'm sure folks would end up having some kinds of fun with it."
[22:38] Iocanthe says, "Sort of put on a show kind of events."
[22:38] [Necromancer] says, "I'm a fan of anything that brings people out of Zoluren."
[22:38] Zehira says, "And wakes them up."
[22:38] Jalika says, "I'd prefer all the annoying people stay in Zoluren."
[22:38] Iocanthe says, "What I'm hoping to find out is what you all would be interested in, though."
[22:39] Zehira says to [Necromancer], "Gonna let you talk on ours, you're more eleoquent than I am."
[22:39] Iocanthe says, "There's something about when a person is really interested in what they're doing.. they draw others in without even having to try too hard."
[22:39] Isharon says, "I would be interested in some events/plots relating to the blight near Asketi's Mount, personally."
[22:40] Isharon says, "Especially the vela'tohr."
[22:40] Sijan says, "Kicking those Yshai off the plateau and getting more appropriate guards would be nice."
[22:40] [Necromancer] says, "I second that. There are storylines releavnt to a number of guilds to be had there."
[22:40] Iocanthe asks, "The vela'tohr is fascinating, yes. Lots of room for expansion and such. Do you have any particular aspect or aspects that you'd like examined?"
[22:40] Sendithu says, "For me, anything to do with the Rose Sisters."
[22:41] Iocanthe says, "Another lovely point of interest."
[22:41] Isharon says, "My other main character is an Empath, so something along the lines of examining why the vela'tohr are blighted and if anything can be done to restore them to their former glory."
[22:41] [Necromancer] says, "With regards to Necromancers and storylines, Xerasyth certainly has a long and interesting history and could be an interesting character to have continued presence."
[22:41] Iocanthe says, "There may be aspects of things we discuss that would revert to a guild team - everything we discuss today is going to the whole Events team, including guild specialists."
[22:42] Whiteburn says, "I am very predictable and interested mostly in the spiritual aspects. Asketi's Mount in particular, though perhaps there could be some stuff with Zachriedek since he seems to have a large amount of followers in Hib."
[22:42] Whiteburn says, "Altars and such."
[22:42] Iocanthe says, "There are definitely some places to hook in the Immortals, both cleric-specific and more general."
[22:42] Sijan says, "I think one great aspect of P5 is that there are tons of different groups running around and we really haven't seen how they interact that much. The Plateau, the Dwarves, The Sisters, etc. Lots of groups that have been there for a while and are ripe to actually participate in things."
[22:42] Isharon says, "Asketi has not done one of her famous rides in some time."
[22:43] Iocanthe says, "It is a VERY diverse area."
[22:43] Iocanthe says, "With very diverse groups."
[22:43] Sijan says, "Which I would think would bring things up."
[22:43] Isharon says, "Then there is that unfinished Paladin plotline involving the true code, the tomb of Emille, etc."
[22:43] Iocanthe says, "And with a landscape like this, it is easy to see how some groups stay more isolated."
[22:44] Isharon says, "From some friends on AIM who can't make it: redeemed Necromancers."
[22:45] [Necromancer] asks, "Why this area specifically for the redeemed?"
[22:45] Sijan says, "Not particularly sure why that would fit in here though."
[22:45] Zehira says, "I don't see why it would be with Xerasyth being the guildleader."
[22:45] [Necromancer] says, "Yeah, respectfully that doesn't seem very Xerasyth-esque. Maybe kind of possibly Nishenko."
[22:46] Zehira says, "That's more a Book area I'd think, since we had our last meeting in Boar Clan about the perverse."
[22:46] Iocanthe says to Isharon, "If your friends on IM have specifics that would make this area right, we're still listening."
[22:46] Isharon says, "AIM friend on redeemed: "I thought it was an Inquisition type thing. My bad. I just got here."
[22:47] Iocanthe asks, "So, Rose Sisters - are there specific things that you'd like to see or hear from them?"
[22:47] [Necromancer] says, "Brb."
[22:48] Tathalus says, "Yes."
[22:48] Sendithu says, "I'd like to see them out and about and involved in other courts again."
[22:48] Sijan says, "Being Rose Sistery."
[22:48] Sendithu says, "We had Vethine in Shard for a long time, I'd like to see them be more of a presence like they're supposed to be."
[22:49] Tathalus says, "Anything right about now, I like how they control the inner workings, and not just in Ain, Id like to see more of them volunteering people for work that needs done."
[22:49] Iocanthe says, "Also, please forgive me dropping silent from time to time. I'm feeling a bit queasy."
[22:49] [Necromancer] says, "Hang in there."
[22:50] Whiteburn says to Iocanthe, "Totally fine. Sorry you're not feeling well."
[22:50] [Necromancer] says, "Just as a general comment - I think it's kind of a shame that there are areas that are virtually abandoned at all times. Ain and Muspar'i come to mind, and I'd like to see motivations or reasons to utilize those spaces more. Maybe make them more accessible somehow."
[22:51] Iocanthe asks, "When you say you'd like to see them volunteering - do you have something specific in mind? Do you want them interacting more with other provincial NPCs, more related to things strictly within P5?"
[22:51] Whiteburn says, "I've always thought Ain Ghazal was a really neat place... just not a whole lot of reason to go there."
[22:51] Zehira says, "It's hell to climb through."
[22:52] Iocanthe says, "It is."
[22:52] Iocanthe says, "Like Aesry, on steroids."
[22:52] Zehira says, "Especially for a thief that has to go there and isn't good at climbing."
[22:52] Sendithu says, "It's not so bad."
[22:52] Isharon says, "And not even a flying broom helps there."
[22:52] [Necromancer] says, "Muspar'i is similarly annoying to reach with similar lack of reason to do so."
[22:52] Zehira says, "Aesry...maybe we need a guild there."
[22:52] Iocanthe asks, "Are there things that might make it more worth being in these places?"
[22:53] Yanbelev asks Zehira, "'Riss, .... the isle of the damned, meby?"
[22:53] Isharon says to Iocanthe, "Events."
[22:53] Isharon says, "I know it's not about Muspar'i, but if they did away with the shifting maze nature of the dunes so you had a more practical barge bypass, that would help tremendously."
[22:53] Zehira says to Yanbelev, "Yes but then people would want gated there all the time."
[22:53] Iocanthe exclaims, "How convenient!"
[22:53] Whiteburn says, "As far as I know, Ain Ghazal is mostly just a Thieves Guild only place. I understand why it's like that, but it would be nice if there was reason for other guilds to go there."
[22:53] [Necromancer] says, "Generally, other than interesting critters to hunt and convenience of training, ease of access would be nice too. Like, I think Throne is pretty much only visited, generally, by people wanting to forget spells in the library. Events bring all the kids to the yard."
[22:54] Yanbelev asks, "Are there any provisions for an official order in p5?"
[22:54] Isharon says to Iocanthe, "Combined with making it less of a PITA to get there and train there. (There is no leather repair shop in Muspar'i, for example.)."
[22:54] Aieres says, "Invasions tend to draw people."
[22:54] Sendithu asks, "I feel like the orders that currently exist are so cookie cutter and similar, why would there need to be a new one?"
[22:55] [Necromancer] asks, "But wandering GMPCs chatting and doing stuff also brigns people like whoa. Didn't Tev come back a little while ago, and like, well over 15 moonies showed up to follow him around and hand him tea?"
[22:55] Sendithu asks, "To promote learning and helping people...but this time in P5 so it's completely different from the three in Zoluren that all do the same thing?"
[22:55] Iocanthe says, "Invasions do draw people in - and then they leave. I have tried a couple of invasions up here this week and nobody even showed up."
[22:55] Yanbelev asks, "Did we even hear about them?"
[22:55] Whiteburn says, "Some people don't really like invasions."
[22:55] Zehira says, "I must have been training. I didn't know about them."
[22:56] Gallifreius quietly says, "Frankly, GMNPC interaction was the most fun I've ever had, especially since I didn't know it at the time."
[22:56] Sendithu says, "Invasions are dull. They're either too easy or the auto-kill unavoidable arrow volley type things."
[22:56] Iocanthe says, "They ended up being later than I hoped, because.. reasons."
[22:56] Tathalus says, "Theres no way to hear about them."
[22:56] Xionara softly says, "It depends on what type of invasion we're talking about."
[22:56] Zehira says, "I don't like invasions because twice I helped in the Crossing and twice after I got ganked for being a necromancer."
[22:56] Yanbelev says, "Also, the travel time, to come out, for a random invasion, and then, .... travel back, is a big deterent."
[22:56] Zehira says, "That's kinda why I don't help anymore."
[22:56] [Necromancer] says, "Yeah, generally, I dont' think invasion mechanics are really in place for them to be interesting to everyone."
[22:56] Tathalus says, "But instead of an invasion, lets say the town becomes besieged."
[22:56] Isharon says, "If you're not a Moon Mage and don't have high-athletics, a lot of people don't bother coming out this far, because they assume the action will be over by the time they finally get here."
[22:56] Tathalus says, "Couple GMPCs to interact with as well."
[22:56] Yanbelev says, "That's kept me from heppin in several invasions, 'rount Crossins, an Haven, while I'm huntin down here."
[22:56] Sijan says, "I think the big thing that really gets people into things is being able to get here and a culture happening."
[22:57] Yanbelev says, "I've had that happen, running from here, to Crossins."
[22:57] [Necromancer] says, "And clearing out the headsplitter exploit was good for pushing some of the egregious bots out."
[22:57] Whiteburn says, "I also think it would be nice if there were some official positions open to players. As far as I'm aware, that never really existed in P5."
[22:57] Sijan says, "So invasions that are one off or anything are temporary draws but seeing the Sisters or other political/group things that people could get involved in would draw people."
[22:57] Iocanthe asks, "Talk to me about a town being besieged, Tathalus?"
[22:57] Yanbelev says to [Necromancer], "Jus in time for me to get there, an .... no boxes."
[22:57] [Necromancer] says, "I second that GMPCs and events are better than invasions."
[22:58] Sijan says, "Especially right now people are looking for things to do and get involved in that don't have microtransations."
[22:58] Tathalus asks, "Like how Zoluren almost did something with the Elpalzi?"
[22:58] Gallifreius quietly says, "Invasions are more akin to skill-checks, they aren't inclusive for average or new players."
[22:58] Tathalus says, "Actually have an opposing force."
[22:58] Iocanthe says, "Oh, those Elpalzi."
[22:58] Isharon says, "Invasions absent some greater plot don't really do much for me."
[22:58] Tathalus says, "And a front line."
[22:58] Etherian says to Tathalus, "Pretty much an invasion, but in an event format.. longer term invasions."
[22:58] Zehira says, "[Necromancer] and I got quite a few people to the last necro meeting we had, even though the guild is in apes. I think people would come if they had a reason to."
[22:58] Tathalus says, "But something better than the elpalzi."
[22:59] Tathalus says to Etherian, "Something fresh and new."
[22:59] Iocanthe asks, "Better than Elpalzi, eh?"
[22:59] Sijan says to Zehira, "I was sad I missed it."
[22:59] Yanbelev says, "Not quite like the cyclops, an undead, that was just fun, but, .... we've been there, done that, ... the names change, is all."
[22:59] Gallifreius quietly says, "Frankly Zehira, I wanted to see gmnpc xerascyth again >.>."
[22:59] [Necromancer] says, "Yeah, honestly, the turn out for necro meetings, even just for 'lets talk about lore' has been pretty good. I've been terrible about giving advanced notice, even, but we tend to have between 8 and a dozen people."
[22:59] Tathalus says, "Yes, we GMPCs on BOTH sides during skirmishes."
[23:00] Sijan says, "There also are tons of locations and places that are rumored or not found out here yet as actual places. It could be neat having a search or something to find a new city or camp."
[23:00] Zehira says to Sijan, "It was a good meeting, lots was talked of, we hope to have more."
[23:00] [Necromancer] says, "I don't want to completely dominate conversation regarding necromancers, but i think people are generally pretty excited about lore, and the prospect of just discussing it. Events involving those storylines I think would bring a lot of people down."
[23:00] Whiteburn says, "What she said."
[23:00] Zehira says to Gallifreius, "He was in his office as always."
[23:00] Isharon says, "In addition to travel issues and perceptions about skill levels required to participate, one reason invasions fail to grab people is that they seem inconsequential. Does anything bad happen if defenders don't show up? Usually not."
[23:00] Tathalus says, "Maybe even a counter, for participation in the battle, so, people can earn like a prestige, make it even more worth it to fight for a cause."
[23:00] Sijan says, "][Necromancer] Dominate all you want but unfortunately like most things we are just at a standstill that sadly Iocanthe can't fix really."
[23:01] Iocanthe says to Sijan, "I was thinking of two things that sort of work off that."
[23:01] Etherian says, "Nenav Dalar."
[23:01] Sijan says, "New places also draw people."
[23:01] Zehira says to Sijan, "We might be a standstill bue we're trying to fix that."
[23:01] Yanbelev says, "Aye, they do."
[23:01] Zehira says, "Not bue, I'm not casting, but."
[23:01] Sijan says, "And then if there is a good reason to get and stay involved people can stay."
[23:02] Tathalus says, "People will fight, but when theres no pay off, like those out of town invasions in Zoluren, people lose interest really quick."
[23:02] Sijan says, "There is great hunting out here."
[23:02] Yanbelev says, "Qi has been dead in the water for .... ages, no new stuff. P5, likewise."
[23:02] Isharon says, "The player-generated invasions can be a fun break, but one downside to them, IMO, is that it numbs people to invasions."
[23:02] [Necromancer] says, "I admit I don't know much about some of the storylines you guys have brought up."
[23:02] Zehira says, "I hunted in that area in apes, for what seemed like forever, head splitters have great gems."
[23:02] Gallifreius quietly asks, "I'm confsued, is it a staff issue? why not assign employees to each of the guilds for RP focus?"
[23:02] Iocanthe says, "I'm here to steal.. err.. borrow ideas to bring some life over here to P5. I know that GM Nohn has been having some meetings in Qi, too."
[23:03] Tathalus says, "So, in a seige, saving a city, mounting a defense and being rewarded for doing so, might bring more people."
[23:03] Iocanthe says, "It is a work in progress - but I like the idea of building PEOPLE into the world, too."
[23:03] Yanbelev says, "Aye, was there, .... hm, month and a half ago."
[23:03] [Necromancer] says, "If there were better mechanics for invasions, I tihnk they would be a good thing to bring people down and build interest, but i don't think they are."
[23:03] Whiteburn says, "I would like to see more plots that don't revolve around invasions."
[23:03] Tathalus says, "Lot of chances for new gmpcs, new creatures."
[23:03] [Necromancer] says, "Yeah, more GMPC interactions, more lore to uncover."
[23:03] Yanbelev asks, "What sorts of things are available, behind the scenes?"
[23:03] Zehira says to Whiteburn, "[Necromancer] and I are working on one you might be interested in."
[23:04] Sijan says, "Of course I'll always advocate for my people so I will say making where it isn't all happening in justice areas with goodie goodies so necromancers can participate is always appreciated especially at the planning stages."
[23:04] Iocanthe says, "So if, say, someone does have a long family history in the area, people might know that that's where [Necromancer]'s grandfather used to work, and this place over here is where Tathalus's uncle fell in the water and almost died but got saved because.. (what was that story again?) That kinda thing."
[23:04] Zehira says to Whiteburn, "You could quite possibly try and kill me."
[23:04] Iocanthe says, "I can throw invasion after invasion but that's never really been MY favorite thing."
[23:04] [Necromancer] asks Iocanthe, "That sounds interesting, are you talking about a mechanical system for writing character stories into the area?"
[23:04] [Necromancer] asks, "Somewhat like the RUMOR system, ish?"
[23:04] Gallifreius quietly says, "That would be brilliant."
[23:05] Gallifreius quietly says, "Hubris sells."
[23:05] Zehira says to Gallifreius, "Well we all know I think alot of myself so that would work."
[23:05] Iocanthe says, "Well, we've got some things like the rumor system and bardic recalls, so it wouldn't necessarily be reinventing the weel - and it wouldn't work for EVERYTHING.. but I kinda like the idea of people's history.."
[23:06] Gallifreius quietly says, "It's compelling."
[23:06] Isharon says to Iocanthe, "Anything that makes the world feel 'lived in' is good."
[23:06] [Necromancer] says, "I do too, very much. Lately, I've felt like one of the issues with DR as a whole is that it's somehow becoming more impersonal."
[23:06] Iocanthe says, "Without you guys, there's nothing."
[23:06] Xionara softly says to Iocanthe, "I would like to travel beyond the Great Salt Road, into the mines, and find out why the Tivshowldh Mountains are considered cursed. There's a piece of artwork on the meditation wall in Albreda's Shrine in outer Hibarnhvidar..."
[23:06] Isharon says, "Players want to see how their characters' actions affect the world in big and small ways."
[23:06] [Necromancer] says, "I like the community MORE today than in years past, but I still feel like there's less PC interaction or impact on the world."
[23:07] Zehira says, "I would never want to show that Zehira affects the world."
[23:07] Iocanthe says, "I was reading on the boards about the spider thing - where people thought it was mostly just a show to watch as Kurmin went and did his things.."
[23:07] Sijan says, "That is kind of how most feel about events."
[23:07] Sijan says, "Because many of us have seen that happen."
[23:07] [Necromancer] says, "And that's also historically a hard balance to strike, to be fair."
[23:08] Iocanthe says, "I always kinda feel like there IS a place for that, and that's what palaces with stage mechanics are for."
[23:08] Whiteburn says to Iocanthe, "Players really didn't get to DO much. It was Kurmin and Soraent doing all the ... doing. All we could really do was speculate about visions and get killed in invasions."
[23:08] [Necromancer] says, "It's hard roping people into an RP event such that it isn't a performance, but also keeping a storyline on track."
[23:08] Isharon says to Iocanthe, "As I mentioned, these sorts of things really aren't very transparent to players, and occasional reassurances on a sparsely read, unsearchable forum don't do much to counter the perception among players that events are mostly GMPC theater."
[23:08] Iocanthe asks Whiteburn, "It may have looked that way.. but what would've happened if someone said "Hey, this guy is NUTS! Stop him! Kill him!"?"
[23:08] Gallifreius quietly says to Isharon, "Nail on the head."
[23:09] Whiteburn says, "Depends on who the player who said that was, really."
[23:09] Whiteburn says, "And how much pull he or she has with the community."
[23:09] [Necromancer] says, "Remember during the Lyras war, how there were temple cambrinth charging parties? That was neat."
[23:09] Zehira says to Whiteburn, "Bingo."
[23:09] Isharon says to Iocanthe, "Additionally, with respect to the spider event, it is hard to plausibly RP different beliefs or theories when you effectively have an omniscient NPC putting stuff out there in a way that seems not up for debate or interpretation."
[23:09] Sendithu says, "There was some nice sideline stuff happening with Inyasa, but I honestly have no clue what was going on with Kurmin and had a hard time caring. Even the Inyasa stuff fell flat because I could never catch up with Soraent to do what I was supposed t do."
[23:09] Whiteburn says to Sendithu, "Same."
[23:10] Whiteburn says, "Soraent had all the correct answers anyway. I feel like there wasn't really much to do... it's hard to know what actions of our result in a reaction, and what react in nothing."
[23:10] Isharon says, "At the same time, I hope posts like that one on the forum about the spider don't lead players to believe that the only way to affect the course of events is to kill NPCs."
[23:10] Sendithu says, "The Kurmin bit felt like 'okay here's the HE tie in, please to enjoy the hilarity', and had all the usual people talking darkly and supporting it, it just wasn't for me."
[23:10] Sijan says, "I got to the party late so only got to see the fun stuff at the end but I loved Kurmin and wanted to see how crazy he would go and help."
[23:10] [Necromancer] says, "Also, and this is probably getting really sidetracked, but I remember finding on epedia mention of races beyond the mountains that we know very little about, probably only singular mentions in one book somewhere that people haven't bothered to check in ages. I worry that a lot of the games lore is somewhat obfuscated behind intended mystery, and as we see a winding down of story dev, that a lot of this stuff will or is lost."
[23:10] [Necromancer] says, "Chat will get lost, or is lostl."
[23:11] You wryly say, "That being said, as a spider fanatic, I liked that the spider came alive."
[23:11] Sijan says, "But in the past, especially with HE, twice I got burned putting in a ton of effort in to the intro quest to find out nothing came."
[23:11] Gallifreius quietly says to [Necromancer], "That's DR lore in a nutshell, there's volumes that isn't visited =/."
[23:11] Iocanthe says, "It was one possibly outcome, and it works okay."
[23:11] Xionara softly says to Iocanthe, "And perhaps have that culminate with a new route connecting Muspar'i to Hib through those mountains....nod [Necromancer] agree."
[23:11] Zehira says, "I do love my spiders, shame I didn't get to see the big one."
[23:12] Iocanthe says, "So, I know the east coast folks, this is getting late and I don't want to keep folks up."
[23:12] Zehira asks, "Isn't there a ranger trail that goes from Lang to Hib?"
[23:12] Whiteburn says, "Persida said she was surprised that more people didn't try to do stuff... and I think it's because at least some of us have been burned before when we've tried and had nothing - at least nothing we could perceive - happen."
[23:12] Sendithu says, "I mean even now, I don't know what the point of it all was."
[23:12] Ograth says, "Or worried we are just being distruptive."
[23:12] Gallifreius quietly says, "Hah."
[23:12] Sendithu asks, "So the spider came alive and Kurmin is nuts, people were barfing animals and Inyasa is possibly possessed...and what?"
[23:12] Jalika says, "Ranger trail, and can be escorted by the ranger lady."
[23:13] Isharon says, "Yeah, I think a lot of players would assume that killing GMPCs during events might result in a warning for being disruptive."
[23:13] Nulak says, "As far as the opening ceremony it as, Kurmin prayed, people lifted up their atulave or whatever, spider intensifies.. go shopping."
[23:13] Iocanthe says, "Sometimes there are things that HAVE to happen - like we're bringing in a new thing or a significant change to a thing but we're trying to show IC reasons for it."
[23:13] Jalika says, "I would echo a link up to Muspari would be great for both locations."
[23:13] Zehira says, "Well I was thinking for people getting here to be a part of things, the ranger trail and my moonmage can open gates here."
[23:13] Gallifreius quietly asks Iocanthe, "What has changed, after having had this discussion? what will you take away?"
[23:13] Iocanthe says, "Other times, we've got some roleplay goal in mind "This guy is gonna get that horse to the other place."
[23:13] Iocanthe says, "And we've got a lot more flexibility with those kinds of things."
[23:13] Yanbelev says to Zehira, "There's a ranger, yer ccan give ... 3 plat, I think it is, that will take yer from the Rakash city, to Asketi's mount, same mechs as the balloon, or the mammoths, it seems."
[23:13] Iocanthe says, "Mostly what I'm looking for is that more flexible kind of thing."
[23:13] Isharon says, "While we are on the topic of Hollow Eve and the dark aspects: the dark aspects get way more screen time than the neutral or light aspects. Part of this is just a Hollow Eve thing, which tends to revolve around the machinations of one or more dark aspects. However, I'd really like to see some events that target worshippers of the other aspects."
[23:14] Zehira says to Yanbelev, "Nifty."
[23:14] [Necromancer] says, "I would especially like to see events not behind pay walls."
[23:14] Whiteburn says, "That would be nice."
[23:14] Iocanthe says, "Those are the ideas I'm fielding here."
[23:14] Ograth says, "My character worships the light gods just because it seems anything related to them is just so uncommon."
[23:14] Yanbelev says, "That's killin the game, as well, IMO."
[23:14] Iocanthe says, "And I've gotten a few areas of interest that are specific to here in P5 and a few others that might end up being more specific to one guild or another."
[23:15] Yanbelev says, "If ye wanna see somethin new, participate in somethin diffrent, .... drag your credit card along for the ride."
[23:15] Zehira says, "And people are making a killing from those pay events."
[23:15] Gallifreius quietly says to Iocanthe, "At that point, it's feasible, but you need to have staff to play flexible actors towards IC goals."
[23:15] Gallifreius quietly says to Iocanthe, "Any player interaction has to be neglible at best, but seemingly important."
[23:15] Iocanthe says, "What I'd like to ask is for some email followup on these ideas."
[23:15] [Necromancer] says, "Gladly. I'll even try and be succinct."
[23:15] Sijan says, "I knew this was all a trick just to get my phone number."
[23:16] Zehira says to Gallifreius, "I don't think you need just staff, I think there are great rpers in this game that could do just a good a job in rping things to get people to participate."
[23:16] Gallifreius quietly says to Zehira, "To be honest, I wouldn't know. I believe it's possible though! =)."
[23:16] Whiteburn says to Iocanthe, "I think that what they're doing in Qi with the RP reporting form is a great idea."
[23:16] Zehira says, "Sendithu and Whiteburn are great, I've never actually rped with them, but I've seen logs. [Necromancer] and I rp quite often, so there are people there."
[23:16] Whiteburn says, "Honestly I think all the provinces should have something like that."
[23:16] Sendithu says, "Honestly I'd like to see more nichey player driven stuff happening independantly of GMs."
[23:16] Yanbelev says, "It heps when the ball gets rollin, sometimes, staff getting the first snowball started, pique interest, and some of us can then, keep it rolling down the hill."
[23:17] Sendithu says, "I do mountain elf meetings, the necro meetings are really well done, Whiteburn's got her own brand of crazy."
[23:17] Sendithu says, "Lasika was doing Prydaen stuff."
[23:17] [Necromancer] says, "I'm glad you guys are on the same page, as names I recognize and think of as knowledgeable players."
[23:17] Sendithu says, "I think that's the kind of thing that draws people in and makes them stick around."
[23:18] Zehira says, "Just because I train all day doesn't mean I won't come out for rp, it's why I'm here."
[23:18] Gallifreius quietly says, "I dislike agreeing with zehira for RP reasons, but agree entirely."
[23:18] Zehira says, "The bulls and wyvern don't seem to want to rp."
[23:18] Gallifreius quietly says, "If that isn't evidence of the distinction, I don't know what it."
[23:18] Yanbelev says, "It heps when the action is taking place, somewhat near to where we're already training, as well."
[23:18] Gallifreius quietly says, "Is =p."
[23:19] Zehira says to Gallifreius, "Is ok, everyone disagrees with me."
[23:19] Nulak says, "Do not."
[23:19] [Necromancer] says, "We are spread out of course, but I really like the new gweths. Ioc, I bet if you gweths as an GMNPC that you were doing stuff, people would flock to it."
[23:19] Iocanthe says, "I did use the gweth last night.. but it was subtle."
[23:20] Whiteburn says to [Necromancer], "I wish more GMPCs used gweths."
[23:20] Zehira says, "Cept when they smash you."
[23:20] Zehira says, "Oh wait."
[23:20] Whiteburn says, "It's a pet peeve of mine that we're somehow supposed to instantly know when a GM logs in because of a tweet."
[23:20] Zehira says, "Time out."
[23:20] Yanbelev says, "I might have been not paying attention to gweth."
[23:20] Gallifreius quietly says, "Agreed, that's a great way to bring players in."
[23:20] Iocanthe says, "I know we've got a few folks who are really good at stirring people up on the gweths."
[23:20] Zehira says, "Not me."
[23:20] Gallifreius quietly asks, "Denonces?"
[23:20] [Necromancer] says, "I suppose it's unfair of me to add the caveat of 'supposing it's an activity people like'."
[23:20] Isharon says to Whiteburn, "I mean, it's kind of treated like 'this means there is some rumor you've heard,' but I feel more comfortable responding to IC prompts."
[23:20] Whiteburn says, "I like that more stuff is being tweeted, but... I do know that GMPCs wear gweths so it's puzzled me why they don't use em more."
[23:21] Yanbelev asks, "Where's Splatjack, when yer wanna stir the gweth?"
[23:21] Iocanthe says, "Oh, I meant staff folks, like Geva."
[23:21] Sijan says to Whiteburn, "Maybe they are training stealing too so they don't want to waste charges."
[23:21] Zehira says to [Necromancer], "Could you imagine one of our guildleaders on gweth."
[23:21] [Necromancer] says, "Maybe there could be an extra channel, like, regional, that was specifically used by GMs for announcing activities in the area? IC, of course."
[23:21] Yanbelev says, "Ooosh."
[23:21] [Necromancer] says to Zehira, "I would be there SOOOOO fast."
[23:21] Sendithu says, "There is a local channel."
[23:21] Isharon asks [Necromancer], "The local channel?"
[23:21] Iocanthe says, "There is the local channel."
[23:21] Gallifreius quietly says to [Necromancer], "Same."
[23:21] Sendithu says, "I don't know what the range is really like."
[23:21] Yanbelev says to Zehira, "First, the general populace would have to know who they are, an what they are."
[23:22] [Necromancer] says, "See, IF ONLY THERE WAS A LOCAL CHANNEL."
[23:22] Isharon says to Sendithu, "Local range is old kyanite range."
[23:22] Zehira says, "Yan yes, especially if one was translating for the other."
[23:22] Isharon says to Sendithu, "Basically regional but gweth zone wonkery."
[23:22] Sendithu says to Isharon, "Yeah but this province is odd. You used to sit in the spire and hear -nothing-."
[23:22] Iocanthe says, "So, I will keep using the gweths. But I'm going to tell you now, my NPCs are subtle."
[23:22] Whiteburn asks, "Oh... I don't know if this is more p5 or Ilithi, but I would like to see more of the dragon priests. Isn't there an actual honest to gods dragon leading it? How come we never see him?"
[23:23] Zehira exclaims, "The dragon is sleeping is why!"
[23:23] Sendithu says, "You cross over the path to gryphons and it was like boom, different world. Raven's Point was my cone of silence."
[23:23] Iocanthe says, "So if you hear someone talking about life at the palace without screaming "I'm an NPC."
[23:23] Whiteburn says to Iocanthe, "Noted."
[23:23] [Necromancer] says, "Yeah, and kind of fallen/failed Necromantic shinnanigans. That's a gold mine."
[23:23] Zehira says, "I hate it when my shennaigans fail."
[23:23] Iocanthe says, "That's a little more P4, but the GM in charge of that will see the log so it'll get noticed. (The dragon thing, I mean)."
[23:23] Gallifreius quietly says, "I do like the world dragon though, that's not guild-specific."
[23:24] [Necromancer] asks, "Ioc, given some of the geographical spread of illithi and hib, are you gwething on local or general?"
[23:24] Iocanthe says, "Last night, it was a cleric specific thing with a cleric specific NPC, so I used that channel."
[23:24] Iocanthe says, "But I will try to use the channels that make the most sense."
[23:24] Yanbelev says, "So, non clerics wouldnee heard it."
[23:24] Rhadyn quietly says, "Can't get more subtle than that."
[23:24] Iocanthe says, "(Last night, clerics were using cleric channel to talk about what I was doing.)."
[23:25] Whiteburn says to Iocanthe, "D'oh... I wasn't around."
[23:25] [Necromancer] says, "I'm super glad to know that's going on."
[23:25] Iocanthe says, "It was way later than I hoped to get started."
[23:25] Gallifreius quietly asks, "Just to be certain, clerics were gwething about gmnpc cleric action?"
[23:25] Iocanthe says, "They didn't notice it was a GMNPC."
[23:25] Iocanthe says, "I'm sneaky and subtle with my NPCs."
[23:25] Gallifreius quietly says, "Brb becomming redeemed."
[23:25] Iocanthe says, "I'm not going to come screaming in yelling "NPC."
[23:26] Whiteburn says to Iocanthe, "Just name one of your character Enpeace."
[23:26] Yanbelev asks, "Might work on yer wink wink nudge nudge, aye?"
[23:26] Iocanthe says, "I'm going to be the person you never met, wearing some random notfancy stuff."
[23:26] Whiteburn says, "I'm sad I missed it, though..."
[23:26] Iocanthe says, "Oh, there's more to come."
[23:26] Isharon says to Iocanthe, "Ideally, it shouldn't be obvious whether the person is a GMPC or regular PC."
[23:27] Whiteburn says, "Sweet."
[23:27] Iocanthe says to Isharon, "That was my thought."
[23:27] Yanbelev says, "Aye, true that."
[23:27] Isharon says, "Because it always amuses me that people react differently to the two."
[23:27] Whiteburn says, "Yeah. Honestly, I think that's the way to be."
[23:27] Iocanthe says, "I can remember back in the long ago times when GMs were running around as NPCs."
[23:27] [Necromancer] says, "Well, unless that person is distinctly a person of interest."
[23:27] Iocanthe says, "And eventually, yes, we get known."
[23:27] Sijan says to Iocanthe, "Well depending on the nature of the situation. Royalty or such being the exception to that."
[23:27] Iocanthe asks, "But my favorites were the ones where even after a week or more, I'd be asking myself "Is he or isn't he?"
[23:27] Isharon says, "Well, yeah, there will be some exceptions with VIPs."
[23:27] Iocanthe says, "Oh, of course."
[23:27] Isharon says, "But just knowing the person is a GMPC colors how people RP."
[23:28] Gallifreius quietly asks, "VIP?"
[23:28] Sijan says, "I love never knowing especially as a necromancer."
[23:28] [Necromancer] says, "Like, a guild leader or character from a major plot line."
[23:28] Isharon says, "Very important person (royalty, guildleaders, etc.)."
[23:28] Gallifreius quietly asks, "Ah! so RP significant?"
[23:28] Gallifreius quietly says, "Gotcha."
[23:28] Sijan says, "Heck and some of the greatest interactions I've had with people over long periods of time are some people I thought along the way just might have been one."
[23:29] Isharon says to Gallifreius, "That doesn't mean the others aren significant, just that some characters you will naturally know are not PCs."
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[23:29] Sendithu says, "I kind of died inside when Fayne showed up in Shard and barely anyone knew who he was."
[23:29] Iocanthe says, "I am sorry. I am probably going to be a bit distracted..."
[23:29] Gallifreius quietly exclaims to Isharon, "Of course!"
[23:29] Whiteburn says to Sendithu, "I wouldn't have known who he was..."
[23:29] Sendithu says, "I mean, it was a mountain elf function, so really..."
[23:30] Sendithu says, "If anyone -should- have known, it was the people there."
[23:30] [Necromancer] says, "Yeah, there's also the fine line to walk between 'on going and interesting storylines' and 'lorewanks favoring things that happened WAY before many of the existing playerbase were around'."
[23:30] Sijan asks Whiteburn, "Do I need to totally not-on-purpose explode your body in half again?"
[23:30] Gallifreius quietly says to Isharon, "I guess I meant "RP as a world-driven and agreed upon plotline" as opposed to RP in general."
[23:30] Iocanthe says, "No explodings, please."
[23:30] Isharon says to Gallifreius, "I just meant it as 'position is so important or historical that you know they don't give it to players.'."
[23:30] Sendithu says, "Maybe a good place to start for getting P5 stuff rolling is some smaller teaching night events? There's so much lore in this province and it feel like not many people know a lot about it."
[23:30] Zehira says to Sijan, "I can explode her too, she just doesn't know."
[23:31] Whiteburn says to Sijan, "I'm still feeling that one."
[23:31] Iocanthe says, "I really do like the idea of teaching nights."
[23:31] Gallifreius quietly says to Isharon, "Yep, I'm stealing that definiton for sure. =p."
[23:31] [Necromancer] says, "A lot of the players that I interact with these days are multiple generations of players removed from the Sorrows War plotline, so none of that really matters to them."
[23:31] Whiteburn says, "Teaching nights sound like fun."
[23:31] Yanbelev says, "P5 started with a hard shake, at the time, and, as far as I know, it hasn't really been developed much."
[23:31] Yanbelev says, "Granted, I was away four a few of those years, myself."
[23:32] Zehira says, "It's a place for all the bots to go and make money."
[23:32] Iocanthe says, "And yes, the Sorrow war was a big thing - and it semi-replaced the people who lived in the glory days of the Gorbesh.. and Lyras kind of replaced some of the Sorrow stuff so.."
[23:32] Zehira says, "I think people want a big thing like that again."
[23:32] Iocanthe says, "Those big global "kill everyone at least once" kind of things are always going to leave a lasting impact..."
[23:32] Zehira says, "I missed those things, I haven't been around as long as one might think."
[23:32] Isharon says, "I would love a big thing like that, but you also have people who complain that the big thing is disruptive to their play."
[23:32] Zehira says, "But I think they crave another big war."
[23:32] [Necromancer] says, "Right, but, as awesome as the Lyras stuff was, that was a long time ago, in real world time, and a lot of the players who participated aren't around anymore. Accordingly, a lot of the players here today who are newer simply don't really care much. It's not much more than historical backdrop."
[23:32] Sijan says, "Hey don't forget the War That We Dare Not Say The Name."
[23:33] Yanbelev says, "The Elpalzi story line is poised to do that, but, it keeps ..... slippin, like a motorcycle with a loose chain."
[23:33] Zehira says to Isharon, "It's disruptive to them sitting mindlessly."
[23:33] Yanbelev says, "False starts, drops off."
[23:33] Sijan asks Yanbelev, "Maybe it is a spy fooling us all?"
[23:33] Whiteburn asks Sijan, "Oooouttttcaaaaaaasssstttttt?"
[23:33] [Necromancer] says, "Accordingly, if Felinda or Tachid or Sahfra or Zanblay showed up, most people wouldn't really care or know. And one of those names is made up, to emphasize the point."
[23:33] Whiteburn asks, "Outcast steakhouse?"
[23:33] Gallifreius quietly asks [Necromancer], "I wouldn't be opposed to an event which required a primer on that old lore. you have to remember that DR is a huge investment to begin with. what's a little lore research?"
[23:34] Zehira says to Whiteburn, "Don't say outcast you'll get Netherlich started."
[23:34] Yanbelev says to Sijan, "A very tallented spook indeed."
[23:34] [Necromancer] says, "I think being FAMILIAR with the lore is a good idea, but sometimes the adherence to what WAS is stronger than what is HAPPENING or what COULD BE."
[23:34] Iocanthe says, "Mmm steak."
[23:34] Gallifreius quietly says to [Necromancer], "Ah, that's beyond my perspective."
[23:35] Yanbelev says, "Aye, the world has changed to a less historical, more ... instant grat, and what's happenin now, sort of place."
[23:35] Sendithu says, "Well, when nothing much is actually happening, all we have is what was."
[23:35] [Necromancer] says, "When there's a lack of stuff going on, there's nothing to talk about other than what was, and that leads to a lot of stagnation. We can only discuss Lyras or Lord Sorrow for so long before it's obviously just beating the same dead horse."
[23:35] Sijan says to [Necromancer], "Also if you don't know Zanblay then you can't sit with us."
[23:35] Zehira says, "That just starts the...back in my day."
[23:35] Gallifreius quietly says to [Necromancer], "Kind of like defining perversion? =/."
[23:35] [Necromancer] says, "Sijan gets it."
[23:36] Yanbelev says, "Which is nice, from time to time."
[23:36] Yanbelev says, "But, when two of your five days in the game involve that."
[23:36] Yanbelev says, "Even that loses it's novelty."
[23:36] [Necromancer] says, "But that's the point - Sorrows War and Lyras were huge and awesome and super interesting events. HUGE scale, I don't expect them like, even annually, but we haven't had anything like that in a LONG time."
[23:36] [Necromancer] says, "Even smaller scale events would be nice, so we can move this stuff forward."
[23:36] [Necromancer] says, "So, yeah, I applaud that."
[23:37] Whiteburn says, "What I'd like to see more is people ... I don't know if advertising is the right word, but I guess hosting their own events here and there and documenting it. Knowing that things are going on really helps to make the world feel less dead."
[23:37] Whiteburn says, "It doesn't have to be a groundbreaking event to still be fun."
[23:37] Gallifreius quietly says, "^."
[23:37] [Necromancer] says to Whiteburn, "I for one appreciate yorur brand of crazy and the way you advertise it."
[23:37] Zehira says to [Necromancer], "Maybe what we want to do, can start something, that leads to other things."
[23:38] Sendithu says, "I think the smaller, more nichey things are more fun."
[23:38] Sendithu says, "Like how many cane fights can you go to."
[23:38] Sijan says, "Apparently the answer is 0. People get angry if I show up."
[23:38] Isharon says, "With order events, it is hard to keep them fresh month after month, because each order has to produce three every month."
[23:38] [Necromancer] says, "I'm certainly not saying no small events/gatherings. Obviously, given that I've been trying to host necro meeting nights pseudoregularly for a while now."
[23:38] Zehira says, "They get angry if I show up too."
[23:38] [Necromancer] says, "But yeah, what Isharon just said."
[23:38] Sendithu says to Sijan, "They get angry when I show up to, no idea why."
[23:39] Isharon says, "Also, perceptions that purely player-driven RP doesn't really count."
[23:39] Sendithu says, "Too, even."
[23:39] Yanbelev says, "Which, we do come up with new stuff, from time to time, but, can't just do it every month, otherwise, it too gets stale."
[23:39] Gallifreius matter-of-factly says, "If I may, the GM has said nothing for the last several minutes."
[23:39] Isharon says, "Plus, for the past couple of years, a lack of local events to really give orders much of a purpose."
[23:39] Sendithu says, "She's not feeling well."
[23:39] [Necromancer] says, "I love the idea of somehow being able to leave bits of your characters story behind in a given area. I don't know what it would look like, but I think that has a lot of promise."
[23:40] Iocanthe says, "Apparently, now is the time when I need to do some admin stuff."
[23:40] Iocanthe says, "And I do apologize."
[23:40] Rhadyn gruffly asks, "You don't say?"
[23:40] Yanbelev says, "And, some, like .... how'd I put that ... Yan says .... pretty much fell flat on it's face, because new folks don't care to learn about all the verbs available to use."
[23:40] Sijan says to Gallifreius, "Possibly porcelain hugging due to aforementioned not feeling well."
[23:40] Gallifreius quietly says, "Kk."
[23:40] Iocanthe says, "No, not even that."
[23:40] Nulak asks, "Was the the anatomical rapper at the grove?"
[23:40] Sijan says, "As someone who just got out of the hospital for an appendectomy I say do your thing."
[23:41] Zehira says, "They were doing more than rappig last night."
[23:41] Rhadyn gruffly says to Isharon, "Beat me to it."
[23:41] Zehira says, "They were full fledged....doing gross stuff."
[23:41] Sendithu says, "Nice."
[23:41] Yanbelev says, "Aye, that was crude."
[23:41] Iocanthe says, "Please do send emails to the events team - I will get them set up."
[23:41] Yanbelev says, "Even by my standards."
[23:41] [Necromancer] asks, "Events team, or iocanthe@play.net?"
[23:42] Gallifreius quietly asks Zehira, "What are you referring to? what happened?"
[23:42] Zehira says to [Necromancer], "I sent ours, if she has to go admin, she knows how to find me."
[23:42] Yanbelev says to Gallifreius, "Unmentionable."
[23:42] Isharon says to Gallifreius, "Some troll who got into the holiday eggnog too early."
[23:42] Gallifreius quietly asks, "Look, if the point is to be OOC, then just mention it - no?"
[23:42] Zehira says to Gallifreius, "I can't...say...."
[23:42] Rhadyn gruffly says, "So all events will center around Dwarves. Got it. thanks Iocanthe."
[23:42] Whiteburn says, "I would really rather not know."
[23:42] Nulak says, "Yes."
[23:42] [Necromancer] says, "The troll from eysterday i think gall that we were talking about."
[23:43] Nulak says, "I agree with this fine dwarf."
[23:43] Iocanthe says, "I'd rather not know."
[23:43] Gallifreius quietly says, "Ah. I see. =/."
[23:43] Sijan says, "Cookiing Dwarves is easy once you get the shaving cream part over."
[23:43] Iocanthe says, "But.. I have to know, sadly."
[23:43] [Necromancer] says, "Yeah, just someone stirring up obnoxiousness using F2P accounts."
[23:43] Rhadyn gruffly says, "Grissle and bones."
[23:43] Sijan says, "Infusing the cream is the real trick."
[23:43] [Necromancer] says, "A little bit of internet 4chan bleed over into our fair lans."
[23:43] [Necromancer] says, "Lands."
[23:44] Yanbelev says, "They love lavender."
[23:44] Isharon says, "DR needs more race wars. Not the modern OOC kind but stirring up old racial tensions and animosities."
[23:44] Nulak says, "I like it."
[23:44] Yanbelev asks, "I heard there was a small moonatic, warmage guild war, in my absence, aye?"
[23:45] Sendithu says, "Definitely on board with race wars, I'll be right behind Sammy picking off Dwarves."
[23:45] Rhadyn gruffly exclaims, "Don't listen to the Elf!"
[23:45] Rhadyn gruffly asks, "Like that?"
[23:45] Whiteburn says, "Silly smoothskins."
[23:45] Yanbelev says, "Doggon pointy eared, self righteous, long lived beasties."
[23:45] Nulak says, "Beards vs non-beards."
[23:46] Sijan says, "Shesh and here I normally just an policing my own race."
[23:46] Sijan says, "Am."
[23:46] Gallifreius quietly says, "All I really know about mine is that we're bald."
[23:46] Gallifreius quietly says, "Possibly shifty."
[23:46] Yanbelev asks Nulak, "Where would that put the pryd, an 'kash when in moonskin?"
[23:46] Sijan says, "If you count housecats as smart enough to be considered Prydaen."
[23:46] Isharon says, "S'Kra 4 lyf."
[23:46] Iocanthe says, "Please forgive me, but I'm hiding now."
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Re: P5 Events-type meeting
12/07/2016 07:12 AM CST
Really sorry I missed it. I was around all night too. Good points brought up by all.
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SHADOW7988
Re: P5 Events-type meeting
12/07/2016 04:41 PM CST
I too am disappointed in missing this, I know the request was to send email, however I am hoping others see this and are able to piggy back, and carry on and maybe gather momentum on some of these things, so without further ado:
Felinda Southpaw a Prydaen Elder, Fleshtearer Tachid an undead general who my main still have a knife of who is DEAD DEAD, Sahfra Thornblade another undead general
that my main helped end during the final stage of the War against Lyras. Zenblay seems to be some type of Necromancer in-game code, maybe for a private E.S.P. channel, don't know just suppositions.
I agree with Sendithu on Ain Ghazal I would like to see more with it, and specifically with the sisters getting involved with things. I have two concepts that one may be interesting to dissect and use parts of or the system else where.
Ain Ghazal and pirates attacking, so it's a form of invasion. However unlike other invasions, they are being tallied. Now if the Pirates are feeling like they are getting a some easy plunder (they aren't getting their face kicked in often enough). They will set up a blockade there (so a pirate fleet out in the water somewhere, maybe if possible something that adds to the various transports going on, if not at least that). Maybe with it random deploying of a small pirate force (i.e. pirates be spawning here and there in LIMITED (don't know how to super small font so I caplocks it).
Next stage the pirates invade more, and again if they don't get their face kicked in enough, they set up some camp and siege-works.
Another stage they set up a 'real town'. Go on from there.
[Also GM Kodius wanted to add more to invasions, so perhaps he might be somewhere with that, and might want to test some new things out, maybe :shrugs:]
Another deal with Ain Ghazal ties into something that my character is into and was discussed to a lesser extent, but Light Gods. Probably GMs get an official report for how many favors be for this and that immortal, and that might be something cool to share with us. However when it comes to Immortal stuff there be Dark Immortal RP seems like the thing. My toss some stuff at the wall and see if it sticks, is Ain Ghazal is somewhat a central point to things in the realm (kinda, and it's kinda tall), it seems like it be really up there, what about some type of Telescope nest with under tones or overt show of Phelim and the Nightingale, minor tie in to the Moon Mages. Maybe some cool ability to check and scope out different locals.
Further I'd just like to see more RP stuff for various gods, favors or not Neutral and Light gods don't seem to get much in passing. Hey Hounds of Rutilor, how does Rutilor really feel about some of your antics, you know in Elanthia as opposed to here, Immortals show up in force at times (wink wink nudge nudge). Remember there be 39 Immortals to Kermoria (a.k.a the Five Provinces).
Guided Tours: Perhaps Mentors or Orders could do some Guided Tours within their own local (I know most if not all are tied to a Province), but field trips and checking out stuff and changing things up might be nice, and who knows maybe one of those discreet GMPCs could show up to um, STUFFS.
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Victory Over Lyras, on the 397th year and 156 S.V.o.L.t.R
Felinda Southpaw a Prydaen Elder, Fleshtearer Tachid an undead general who my main still have a knife of who is DEAD DEAD, Sahfra Thornblade another undead general
that my main helped end during the final stage of the War against Lyras. Zenblay seems to be some type of Necromancer in-game code, maybe for a private E.S.P. channel, don't know just suppositions.
I agree with Sendithu on Ain Ghazal I would like to see more with it, and specifically with the sisters getting involved with things. I have two concepts that one may be interesting to dissect and use parts of or the system else where.
Ain Ghazal and pirates attacking, so it's a form of invasion. However unlike other invasions, they are being tallied. Now if the Pirates are feeling like they are getting a some easy plunder (they aren't getting their face kicked in often enough). They will set up a blockade there (so a pirate fleet out in the water somewhere, maybe if possible something that adds to the various transports going on, if not at least that). Maybe with it random deploying of a small pirate force (i.e. pirates be spawning here and there in LIMITED (don't know how to super small font so I caplocks it).
Next stage the pirates invade more, and again if they don't get their face kicked in enough, they set up some camp and siege-works.
Another stage they set up a 'real town'. Go on from there.
[Also GM Kodius wanted to add more to invasions, so perhaps he might be somewhere with that, and might want to test some new things out, maybe :shrugs:]
Another deal with Ain Ghazal ties into something that my character is into and was discussed to a lesser extent, but Light Gods. Probably GMs get an official report for how many favors be for this and that immortal, and that might be something cool to share with us. However when it comes to Immortal stuff there be Dark Immortal RP seems like the thing. My toss some stuff at the wall and see if it sticks, is Ain Ghazal is somewhat a central point to things in the realm (kinda, and it's kinda tall), it seems like it be really up there, what about some type of Telescope nest with under tones or overt show of Phelim and the Nightingale, minor tie in to the Moon Mages. Maybe some cool ability to check and scope out different locals.
Further I'd just like to see more RP stuff for various gods, favors or not Neutral and Light gods don't seem to get much in passing. Hey Hounds of Rutilor, how does Rutilor really feel about some of your antics, you know in Elanthia as opposed to here, Immortals show up in force at times (wink wink nudge nudge). Remember there be 39 Immortals to Kermoria (a.k.a the Five Provinces).
Guided Tours: Perhaps Mentors or Orders could do some Guided Tours within their own local (I know most if not all are tied to a Province), but field trips and checking out stuff and changing things up might be nice, and who knows maybe one of those discreet GMPCs could show up to um, STUFFS.
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"I think anything that forces you to do something no sane adventurer would do just in order to train is ridiculous."
DR-SOCHARIS
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"Phelim, what have I wrought?"
GM NaOHHI
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Victory Over Lyras, on the 397th year and 156 S.V.o.L.t.R
JHALIASCLERIC
Re: P5 Events-type meeting
12/08/2016 03:20 PM CST
>Zenblay seems to be some type of Necromancer in-game code, maybe for a private E.S.P. channel, don't know just suppositions.
It was a joke to indicate that a lot of people aren't super familiar with all the NPCs in major events, and that lorewanking sometimes isn't an effective way to bring people out. The point is ultimately to be inclusive to people who haven't memorized every event and every character etc. Zenblay is a made up name.
DR-IOCANTHE
Re: P5 Events-type meeting
12/10/2016 01:35 AM CST
I am open to having another meeting - probably have to be early January at this point?
Also, I'm monitoring here as well as waiting for emails.
There are some things that really end up being guild-related - but I'm going to try to steal ideas wherever possible. :)
Iocanthe
Doing stuff
Also, I'm monitoring here as well as waiting for emails.
There are some things that really end up being guild-related - but I'm going to try to steal ideas wherever possible. :)
Iocanthe
Doing stuff
