So maybe this is a topic that could fit in a number of different folders.

Can we please have the decision to make player stealing safe in the MT rooms removed.

I know this can be a topic that can raise vastly different opinions.

While player stealing does not suit everyone. It does suit people, and they enjoy it. They use it for what ever reason they like, and it is a mechanic of the game that has been around since DR started. It is not a system that has been recently introduced nor is it a system that through mechanics people are at the mercy of. There are numerous mechanics put in place where players can both inhibit being stolen from and mechanics for players to take action and revenge.

I understand that there are players that wish to not be involved with this type of mechanic what so ever, But in limiting this, and playing toward those players, you are taking away something from another group of players.

Yes this is just one other room that is made safe, against the multitude of rooms that are still open from stealing. But, making this decision that favors those that have a grievance toward this kind of playing has a flow on effect towards the expectation of what people want from policy and behaivor from other players. There have been countless nerf's to systems over the years and this does shape the mindset of players for the negative.


I would have very much liked a more open approach to this change in mechanics and for it to be suggested to the community before it was just knocked on the head. Not unlike in discord when we are asked what we would like to see more of from MT items.

And most of all, this nerf is taking away a RP opportunity for me, and after all i still hold the belief that RP should come before anything in DR.


Rifkinn

>>you just wanna have the extra fun of griefing targets who could never hope to spot you.





Im just going to politely ask, at the very least for the sake of conversation.... that none of this has anything to do with griefing. And on scripting for that matter, None of the stealing that happened that bought about these complaints and consequences was scripted.


I know its very very hard for some people to have a worth while debate when giving up their 'goto' rebuttal on any player that likes conflict RP, but, you know, entertain me.



Rifkinn

An entire guild was based on? FFS an entire breaking an entering system was just introduced for us.

I am absolutely floored that with everything going on in the world, I am flooded on Discord, Reddit and Forums with the same person selfishly bitching and moaning about not being able to camp in a paid event and steal from people.

Lets go ahead and just turn off stealing from players all together. That way people wont be let down when mechanics of the game are changed randomly to please specific people. This will also make those that are afraid of player interactions feel more safe in the realms.

>So, from now on, people can walk around with their rare gems in their backpack unprotected and just have no worries?

MT gems, specifically, yes. Would you want your backstabbing weapon you paid $20 for stolen?

>Hard to feel bad when avoiding stealing is a simple >Deposit All >Close gem pouch. Nah lets whine about it.

There are 10,000 other rooms you can steal from, go enjoy them. Paid quest areas have always had anti-theft protection, I'm not sure why this is shocking to you.

There are no legitimate reasons to want this to exist besides griefing and trolling.

If my backstabbing weapon could be stolen, I'd keep it in a closed container. Because I'm smart and take advantage of the existing mechanics already in place to make stealing not a viable option.

I had my Pasabas grave robbed by a Necromancer.

1. Good on him, he got one up on me. (the filth gotta get something right)
2. It was my actions that got me into that situation in the first place
3. It opened up, through mechanics, ways for me to act toward them in the future.
4. For that moment, i lost, but ive had wins in the past, stuff just balances out sometimes.
5. I learnt from that incident and have taken steps to ensure that cant happen again.
6. I was happy that that player got a win and a story to tell.
7. I had a lesson in humility.
8. I learnt ways to deal with my humility and the embarrassment i initially felt.

I could go on.

Rifkinn

https://www.reddit.com/r/dragonrealms/comments/fowcvy/please_dont_nerf_the_thieves/

I saw that one of the GMs mentioned that "LyneyaToday at 6:48 AM I've said before that I don't like PVP stealing personally. The Thief guild is a valid role in our game, and they need to be able to steal. That being said, if I can get creature stealing implemented, pvp stealing will probably go away. I feel like this is a fair trade and still allows thieves to be thieves. Being flagged open might override that."

This leaves me kind of hoping creature stealing doesn't get implemented as stealing was always kind of a vital part of the game. Personally, I disagree with the idea that it's a fair trade because the possibility of stealing from players was always one of the perks of joining the thieves guild, just like healing is to empaths, resurrection is to paladins, porting is to mages, and pets are to rangers and warmies. Stalking and stealing from a real player is very exciting, while stealing from NPCs is quite a different experience. This kind of freedom, including the possibility of a pvp engagement at any time, has always added to the allure of Dragonrealms.

I understand there may be etiquette concerns as it is certainly rude behavior, but I feel like its noteworthy that this is a roleplaying game; Also that losing a few plats is not enough of a cause to guarantee a pvp incident. Furthermore, I believe that pvp stealing is a bit of a misnomer as only the option to engage becomes available.
I agree that stealing is a valid role in this game, as it has been for the past 24 years. I believe nerfing it reduces its role in the game to solely that of a grind.

May God bless.

>Apples and oranges.

And this is where we hard disagree. A MT item is a MT item. Some people like me get weapons with their RL money, some people get alteration fodder. They still paid RL money for it, and it shouldn't be stealable.

>>Ah and there is the problem. Instead of interacting you just 'assume'. This is the prime failure of DR since the implementation of 3.0. Game caters way too much on player 'feelings'. It's a game, play it.

i think it's fair that all sides ask for what they want, neither side is necessarily right in asking to go either direction but I think we all understand that play styles differ. i don't enjoy being robbed because in zero instances in the 2.5 decades I've been playing has any thief ever asked to RP before they stole to make sure the experience was enjoyable for all involved

>>A. the game has no clear vision which means each GM pushes their own agenda, in this case stealing = bad must turn off because players stand around with too many plats and dont know how to close gem pouches.

this game has always been at the whim of the GMs and product developer, this has not changed and while, as players, we can try to influence it, ultimately we can only vote with the wallet. it also seems silly that because someone forgets to type "tie pouch" you feel entitled to try and take their stuff

>>B. It is a core mechanic of the game which an ENTIRE GUILD was built on. Doesn't matter if you don't like it, it's a fundamental part of the game.

I feel like this is a bit of a misleading statement. Stealing from players has not taught enough to sustain your guild advancement for.. decades. You're welcome to go steal from shops and now you have B&E, please take advantage of both of those systems

>>C. Is this game's role playing only about fairies and rainbows now? Or, is it possible that people like you don't want to be bothered in the slightest. Or, even worse, want the game to fit their 'vision' of what DR should be.

I think it all falls down to this, if all you're going to do is type >steal name, I have zero interest in interacting with you, this is not RP, it's game mechanics and most of the time used for griefing. A theft done right is something that both players should be on board with happening, set up in OOC whispers prior to it happening otherwise it is no different than >slice name. Please stop defending this outdated mechanic that should have been killed a long time ago under the guise of "it provides interaction and enriches the environment" because it does not in 99.99% of the cases

>>Hard to feel bad when avoiding stealing is a simple >Deposit All >Close gem pouch. Nah lets whine about it.

you know very well this is not always an option or is your suggestion really to go deposit all loot between every mob you kill? also why is it your position that this is whining but asking for the reverse is not? or did you just not call out the other?


Damian, a voice from the distant and long-forgotten past.

>Exactly. >slice name, >steal name, >gwethsmash name, all provide consent.

Stealing is the one which is passive and instantly resolved.

If someone attacks me, it engages a different set of policy. Often times, 'unconsented' PVP will get them a talking to, because you're stealing player time and resources (exp earned, loot, favors, etc.). It can lead to RP. Smashing at least requires participation - I have to have chatted in a while.

Stealing is passive. You either win or lose, and basically stay hidden the whole time. It is by design a no-interaction system. It's PVP where one side gets to choose every advantage and the other gets, not to put too big a pin on it, ambushed, and their only defense is 'hope you spent enough time collecting rocks'.

If it was more interactive, or didn't actually remove player coins/gems, I'd be on board with it.

I don't see particularly much difference between people using orbs, gas traps, zombies, etc. to bait/kill people, and thieves. I went out and gathered resources, and removing them invalidates my time spent. It's really that simple.

>Point of clarification needed. Are you saying that I didn't spend RL money for my premium subscription so I shouldn't be stolen from? Maybe make it so that F2P thieves can't steal from others, but any subscriber is paying RL money too.

I don't think any clarification is needed, I clearly referenced microtransaction items, specifically.

>>I don't think any clarification is needed, I clearly referenced microtransaction items, specifically.

Well then we strongly disagree. MT vs Subscription is moot after the MT event is over. Everything goes on the open market...and should be stealable. Otherwise, for one, you could outfit a character with 100% MT items, weapon, and armor and have your safe space. The price IG and IRL would go way up as well making this an even more profit making enterprise for the unscrupulous. Spend $400 to make $1000. Easy money with no potential issues with losing that money (IG or IRL) in the game.

I personally have paid way more into this game than the majority of players over my 24 years and I know the risks. Hence I use registration, bonding potions, closed containers, containers inside other containers, money belts, and just plain gaining experience to protect my stuff. I have over 1M plat kronor worth (probably close to $5K RL money) of coins, items, gems, and the like and I know the risks.

Changing game mechanics this far into the game to create safe space for abuse isn't something I support. And now, player stealing isn't abuse, it's the status quo and always has been.

This opinion doesn't include people that abuse mechanics player killing then stealing. There are already policies in place for that...and this is the stealing policy folder.

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