I've only been able to play in short bursts lately. The last week or so I've more or less spent 20-30 minutes locking a couple of skills and then going afk for 40 minutes while my exp drains and coming back and relocking them. Tonight I started training my FA with a pet bleeder along with my other skills.

My question is, if I go into sleep mode so I don't gain any new experience and run a script to tend my bleeder while I'm afk, does "not dying while afk" fall under the "beneficial to your character" part of the afk scripting policy?

>>if I go into sleep mode so I don't gain any new experience

Reading is fun. S/he is not gaining EXP.

I'd just say this is incredibly dangerous. It is possible to wake up from "Sleep" and it's also possible to get an infection, get 20 bleeders and die.

Heal the bleeder, getting a new one is pretty easy.

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>>It is possible to wake up from "Sleep"

Not anymore.

>>and it's also possible to get an infection, get 20 bleeders and die.

Valid, but script-able to prevent runaway.

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>>Reading is fun. S/he is not gaining EXP.


Oops yes, I did miss that part but my explanation should have been good enough that they should have been able to figure it out. If you're actively gaining experience you'll get in trouble. If you're not then you're fine. It's as simple as that.

<<AFAIK, you're allowed to stay logged in AFK to drain experience.>>

I'm almost positive your allowed to stay logged in AFK and drain experience as long as your not actively gaining ANY new experience or benefiting in any other way.

The best method is to just hide and stay motionless.

<<bleeders>>>

If you sleep your OK because you won't keep your FA experience gaining ranks. The better suggestion, already mentioned, is to heal up and not worry about it.

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When you daydream, you're not gaining any new exp. I'm not a GM and I'd assist if you want the final word, but I am reasonably sure that if you set up steps to keep yourself from croaking you're fine.

That being said, anything which might cause you to die from things you can control shouldn't be run afk. You're just asking for lost gear, lost favors, lost bleeders, and disappointment. I realize its not what you asked, but I think it'd be silly for you to take a risk like this.

Based on your first post, I get the feeling that this situation might not be permanent? If so, I know its inconvenient just spend one of your 'aware' cycles with the compendium until your personal situation clears up as a suggestion.

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>> My question is, if I go into sleep mode so I don't gain any new experience and run a script to tend my bleeder while I'm afk, does "not dying while afk" fall under the "beneficial to your character" part of the afk scripting policy?

You're fine - I do this all the time. As long as you're sleeping. Recommend putting avoids up and clearing your hands though.

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As others have said you should be ok on both counts. But just know you are taking a risk even if you are sleeping, and gaining no new exp. All it will take is a player/GM having a bad day, and you might find yourself arguing the beneficial to your character clause. Policy that is up for interpretation by the individual GM is a dangerous gray area to be in.

You are afk scripting a benefit even if you are SLEEPing.

The benefit is that you are keeping the pet bleeder going without incurring an infection that would very likely happen if you just let the wound bleed openly while AFK draining.

>If anything, being AFK with a bleeder just increases the chance of infection.

Which is a benefit if he's doing it AFK. That makes it in turn, a punishable offense. Even if he's sleeping he's preventing potential death and infection. It would most likely be against policy.

>>Which is a benefit if he's doing it AFK.

...people want infections? AFAIK, nothing more than having a bleeder is what causes a risk for infection. I'm not entirely sure how AFK tending with no exp gain is a benefit if the only thing coming out of it is a risk of infection. Am I missing the appeal/advantage of infections?

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>...people want infections? AFAIK, nothing more than having a bleeder is what causes a risk for infection. I'm not entirely sure how AFK tending with no exp gain is a benefit if the only thing coming out of it is a risk of infection. Am I missing the appeal/advantage of infections?

I dont think you're grasping things here.

If he goes AFK and scripts the tending of his wound that would be a benefit. a) He's not draining vitality from the wound. b) He's reducing the chance of getting infected(You don't get infected solely from untended wounds, however; tended wounds are less likely to become infected.) Those are advantages.

He should either get the wound healed if he plans on going afk or log out.

>Quick litmus test for you. Is running a travel script OK, or is the travel considered a benefit?

Depends who you speak to, since policy usually is grey one GM may consider it a benefit, one may not. Moving from one place to another can be beneficial and if you're unresponsive you've violated policy.

Since I know where you're going with this... I've seen posts where a GM has said traveling is perfectly fine unattended, rarely is it ever that black and white.

Per NEWS 5 17 and as of 6/16/2011:

Any activity that results in ANY benefit to either you or another player while being unresponsive to the gaming environment will be considered against policy.

Warnings for using triggers, running scripts, or any other activities while being unresponsive to the gaming environment are based on the Staff's observation of the character, and the Staff's judgment may vary from instance to instance; therefore each instance will be judged independently. Furthermore, GMs have the right to verify that any and all characters are following this policy at any time.

Exceptions:
In general, if you are running a script and are responsive to the game or are in Rest Mode or Sleep Mode and are not gaining any NEW experience, skills, money, or providing other players with an in-game advantage (e.g., casting spells), it does not fall under this policy. ANY activity that's deemed by Staff to be disruptive or not in the best interest of the game or its players can be warned when discovered. (E.g., if you are scripting moving in and out of a room, a warning may be issued because it causes undue screen scroll.)

If you are gaining skills passively or providing other characters with an in-game advantage, a warning may be issued based on your being unresponsive to the gaming environment. If your "Rest Mode" message is determined to be inappropriate, a warning may be issued based on the message being Out of Character (OOC) or disruptive. If you set up a character "bot" to provide services (i.e., healing, lockpicking, spellcasting, etc.) to other players while that "bot" is unresponsive, you will be issued a warning.

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Hope this help you!

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>Hope this help you!

Okay, Thanks! I know what that news item says, and yet it still seems like it's a grey area as to whether keeping yourself tended while afk falls under the "Any activity that results in ANY benefit..." sentence.

However, in the absence of clarification of the grey area, I will take the sentence "In general, if you are running a script and are responsive to the game or are in Rest Mode or Sleep Mode and are not gaining any NEW experience, skills, money, or providing other players with an in-game advantage (e.g., casting spells), it does not fall under this policy." as being the policy with regards to tending yourself while being afk.

Thanks again!
Aluriaz

>>It's not that hard to get a new bleeder.

Multiple people have said this in this thread, but has anyone attempted it after 3.0? Last night I did my standard stance set 0 0 0, feint apu abdomen, from an alt with like 10 ME skill and I was nearly 1-shotted (tore out my entire abdomen and put me at death's door but I got healed). Anyone know a safe way to get pet bleeders now?

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>> Multiple people have said this in this thread, but has anyone attempted it after 3.0? Last night I did my standard stance set 0 0 0, feint apu abdomen, from an alt with like 10 ME skill and I was nearly 1-shotted (tore out my entire abdomen and put me at death's door but I got healed). Anyone know a safe way to get pet bleeders now?

Awesome. That's the 1000% overkill mechanics. Basically just stance down to a % of your skills. 100 evasion @ 5% = 5 evasion.

>> Anyone know a safe way to get pet bleeders now?

If you're a mage, buy cheap cambrinth and ask another mana frequency mage to charge it. Use the cambrinth.

Now if AFK scripting rules were actually enforced regularly, that would be awesome.

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>Oh wow! I would have assumed the opposite from the News Item on the policy!

?? How would you assume going AFK and auto tending a wound to keep you alive or to mitigate an infection wouldn't be?