Well, I'm not the official voice of Simu or anything, but I agree with you that it's a problem. I've seen people doing this in regular conversation. Just today, I politely reminded someone that DR is not a chatroom after he used "nvm" in normal conversation. He basically told me to shut up and stop preaching. I don't understand why people would want to play an RP game and then not attempt to RP... but I digress.

News 5 16 also provides some explanation of Simu's stance on OOC behavior, though it doesn not specifiy penalties for being OOC.

<<Lately people have been doing a lot of things over the gweth that seems terribly out of character. Things like "any 1" for anyone, or :/, or :), of "LF:" for looking for, using a lot of ~ to emphasize... Chat room sort of stuff.

Lately? The gweth has been little more than a chat room for 5 years or so.


Sylvado

"False facts are highly injurious to the progress of science, for they often endure long; but false views, if supported by some evidence, do little harm, for everyone takes a salutory pleasure in proving their falseness."

>>I know I could just ignore it or remove my gweth

Alot of people say this, but ignoring the problem will not make it go away, it will simply make it worse.

~ Britia

>Alot of people say this, but ignoring the problem will not make it go away, it will simply make it worse.

The problem is that making a comment about it in game makes it worse too, because you're adding to the OOC problem.

That and, I don't know about you, but I feel very, very uncomfortable confronting someone who is babbling on about something I have no clue what they're talking about ... the real.life equivalent of being OOC in DR.

Unlike a good role player, I put myself into my characters' heads and try to see DR through their eyes so when they're confronted with someone doing something wildly out of character, particularly something only I know about, they just shy off and try to not hear it ... the same way I turn away from and try not to get involved with some crazy person drooling and talking to themselves on the street.

But then that's just me. If they're too irritating, then, in DR, I would report them. Just not my business and not worth my time.

Now, if you RP correctly, it's a lot different. I suppose there you find out what the guild script is you're supposed to use and say it. Just not my style. I don't want to deal with OOC stuff IC.

Dio, player of

>my trader, while clean, has a definate taste for 'grunge' and so on ...

grunge ( P ) Pronunciation Key (grnj)
n. Slang
Filth; dirt.
A style of rock music that incorporates elements of punk rock and heavy metal, popularized in the early 1990s and often marked by lyrics exhibiting nihilism, dissatisfaction, or apathy.

Um yeah, that's pretty OOC.

-Luty

>All of this does not necessarily mean you are being 'OOC'

Nah, I know the rules. Empaths must follow Hodierna, love everyone and be pure in thought, word and deed. Paladins must always be noble, idealistic, purely driven by altruism and never greedy for worldly goods. Traders must always hold to the height of style and fashion so as to cater to their rich clientele. Blech. Boring. But in character. Out of character is anything different from the expected norm for guild and race. Role playing is how close you can get to being in character for race and guild.

But my trader, well, it was ok with the shirt with the torn pocket, then there were the steel toed boots, but when he got a kilt and swiped all his sibs' nose and eye jewelry ... um, yeah. With that and his cheap crossing standard gear, um, he looks like he wandered out of a Nirvana concert + crossbow. Oh well, better that than a refugee from a Ramones concert I suppose. But it is unusual, not to mention extremely OOC. <wry grin>

Ultimately though, why I don't make him change into something more IC is because it's not in anyone's face. It's not on the gweth. It's not even out loud. The only time it's really noticable is when he's working appraisal on all his jewelry. No one has to go through and stare at his rattiness. If someone wants to, they can, but it won't make any difference in their character's life if they do.

The thing is that I enjoy the OOC characters wandering around the realms far more than the purely IC ones. No, not the ones who talk about football or pop music, but the odd balls who really don't RP correctly at all or stay in character.

Now, I know there are a lot of people who think all of us should be kicked out on our ill clad behinds so that you can get on with your role playing. Personally, please, be welcome to Plat where it belongs, just as the true randomness ends up in TF. Oh, I've role played in TF, gotten an award for it even, (for talking about restarting the Elven-Human wars) but it's just not the same.

I think there is a limit to the role play that can and should be expected in Prime. Yes, the hugs and smooches get annoying on the gweth, more because they're so constant. Personally, I can't count how many times I've said "Great big hugs to you!" when chatting with someone on the phone, where I couldn't physically reach them, (like behind a bar) or in IM's/email. Also smooches, kisses, and other verbs. Just like I will use abbreviations when talking about some things with other DR players in person or voice, like H.E., M.E., and so on so I figure it's good enough role playing for Prime.

Now, if you want correct role playing, where people do keep their characters, well, in character and behaving as expected for their guild and race, then Platinum is where I think you should be. I've never tried it. Way too rich for my blood and I just don't have the patience for that kind of minutia. I've never cared for long term improvisational acting with someone else's characters. If I'm gonna do improv, I'm gonna do it with my own characters or at least some artistic control over the characters. Especially if I'm paying someone else to do it. Yes, I have done improvisational acting professionally. If someone else is paying me to act for them, then they get to set the character.

I think it is polite to not cram excessively OOC behavior on everyone around you. But some, I think, makes it fun for a lot of people, not just me.

You see to me, there is a continuum, from say an empath who doesn't like to forage but never says anything about it to talking about the latest Raven's game on the gweth. Both are out of character, but the empath who doesn't like to forage but does it anyways and keeps her mouth shut about how little she likes it isn't bugging anyone with her OOCness. The idiot babbling about something completely foreign to Elanthia in a large public forum disturbs a lot of people. The latter definately should be stepped on. The former? Probably should be stepped on as well, but it would make for a very, very dull game and one I don't think I'd like to play.

Dio, player of

Roleplaying a trader means that you have joined the Traders guild, after that the beauty and joy of DR means that you can play that trader anyway you like. You could certainly be an empath that follows Damaris. Paladins could cuss out anyone they want and ignore a plea for help. That's why Paladins can steal but will play a penalty that is IG. They aren't forced into a locked room and made to read the policy book for the act of stealing itself. That makes them no less of thier guild, just the way they want to RP them. There are no rules except in the policies, which have nothing to do with the way you play your chosen guild or guilds. It is harder to go against the norm of course, but that doesn't mean you are breaking the rules, just showing imagination and initiative. OOC behaviour has nothing to do with how you play your guild, but how you play your character. A trader that talks about the latest DOW averages is a poor RPer, not a poorly played trader.

As to the gweth traffic, I dislike it the same as others, but beyond that and never doing it myself, it's a mild annoyance.

Couri et al.

I think everyone should realize at this point that Dio only says stuff like this to get people to argue with him. He admited as much in the "thee" thread a while ago.

<<I think everyone should realize at this point that Dio only says stuff like this to get people to argue with him. He admited as much in the "thee" thread a while ago.

What's wrong with that?


Sylvado

"False facts are highly injurious to the progress of science, for they often endure long; but false views, if supported by some evidence, do little harm, for everyone takes a salutory pleasure in proving their falseness."

<makes a mental note to show Dio all her nice spidery stuff>


~Dulcinia

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(Rikulf dances around, waves his arms around, and points at Dulcinia over his shoulder)
Rikulf says, "it's barb talk"
Rikulf says, "you wouldn't understand"

Your mind hears an idiot thinking, "Send me a bird my pidgeon is xXDRGamer69Xx plz"


Authentic zoluren gweth net, early 2004. Ignoring it don't make it go away.


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"The goblin's coming this way!" <-- Contraction:good.
"That goblin's eyepatch is fake!" <-- Possession:good.
"Some goblin's are running towards town!" <-- Pluralization: MAKES YOU STUPID
Know the apostrophe.
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Agreed 100%.


~Dulcinia

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You look at a baby wolf and sigh.

>>Agreed 100%.

One good thing about out here on M'riss is we don't get that too often Dulc? Do get a stray one every now and then, but for most part we don't.

Brabs

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Fighting with a bunch of archers in Geni.

"Hey, it's shoot GENI, not shoot GEN!"

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[Arcath] "Public Service Announcement: Please shoot at the archers and not at Arcath"

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Your mind hears Gelicast thinking, "shoot the gelv cyclops, not gelicast"

>>One good thing about out here on M'riss is we don't get that too often Dulc? Do get a stray one every now and then, but for most part we don't.

The M'Riss gweth has been worse in different ways the last few days.

~~~Krin
"Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati"
"Goblins ... aisle 6, Mycthengelde ... hunt smart, hunt S-Mart!"
"You whine like a mule ... you are still alive!"
"Call me Snake."

I agree with Krin. Its enough to make me cover up my thoughts window anyway.

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www.weebls-stuff.com

I've suggested this, Gonif. That would imply listening to us, however.


--Quelgash.
"Do not go where the path may lead.
Go instead where there is no path, and leave a trail." -Emerson

> Only reason we had it in Beta was because the population was so low you'd almost have thought it was Plat, heh.


Actually, most of the times I was in there watching folks break things it was signficently lower than Plat. Double heh.


- GM Dartenian
Platinum Events Team
Gnome & Kaldar Champion

"You ain't seen nothin' yet!" - Al Jolson

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>>Actually, most of the times I was in there watching folks break things it was signficently lower than Plat. Double heh.<<

Yeah, especially immediately following the times when I logged in...

GameMaster Risek
Thief Development Assistant
What you think is real is your reality. - Robert Kiyosaki

>>Navak>>I don't believe it was a resource issue as much as [snip]

Believe what you want, Navak, but I am telling you, that is exactly what the GM's told us when it was asked if the chatter channel channel could simply be left turned on when Beta was over. They said no, the resource usage would be too intensive. Period. But what do they know, they just run the darn thing.

~~~Krin
"Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati"
"Goblins ... aisle 6, Mycthengelde ... hunt smart, hunt S-Mart!"
"You whine like a mule ... you are still alive!"
"Call me Snake."

>>Believe what you want, Navak, but I am telling you, that is exactly what the GM's told us when it was asked if the chatter channel channel could simply be left turned on when Beta was over. They said no, the resource usage would be too intensive. Period. But what do they know, they just run the darn thing.


Where? I remember the question being asked, and I had thought I remembered the answer. I checked a few different folders, DR2, Gen Discussion.

I am --- Navak