Since lock picking and disarm are combining in skill does that mean they will combine in function as well or will the process stay the same?

yes, you continue to disarm your boxes, trunks, etc with the same commands in 3.0 as you presently use in 2.0, and then pick them with your lockpicks same as you do now. Only difference is it takes 1/2 as many boxes to learn with because you learn the same skill from both processes.


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>Which is killing my perception training in test. Anyone else having similar issues?

Are you doing disarm analyze and pick analyze?

I do everything.

and yeah:

>Only if you decide to stop training locksmithing when you lock.

Guess I just need to get over the years and years and years of all three skills locking up at relatively the same time.

Also Im not talking like locksmithing 34/34 perception 17/34... Im talking like 8/34.

Granted I've only done a few dozen boxes in 3.0, maybe it was some bad luck with 1 trap/lock boxes or something.

Just wanted to hear what other people are experiencing with this.

I have to agree with Krooner, I have never really relied on boxes to train perception as there was many other ways to get it moving, so it really hasn't been a problem for me. Plus I pop boxes way over my skill so it takes less than 10 boxes to lock my picking skills, and I never really see much learning for perception.

>>Collecting and hunting aren't very effective at 1000 ranks.

I fail to see how learning locksmithing quicker is the problem. I think that perception learning at the high end should probably be looked at, and in the meantime do as PB suggested and don't stop opening boxes till perception is locked if that's how you prefer to train it. I believe it's as you said and you are just used to them locking together, but that is not going to be the case in 3.0, and nerfing locksmithing experience is not the solution (if that's even what you are suggesting).

Even in the 700+ range hunting and collecting do not move perception very fast. I never get off 2/32 using HUNT, and it takes close to an hour of collecting to lock perception. A combination of all 3 methods though has kept my perception ~100 levels over the rest of my survivals.

Wasn't suggesting anything.

Like I said two posts ago, just wanted to hear what others were experiencing on the matter.

Guess I'm just not excited about spending more time finding more boxes in 3.0 just to waste locksmithing exp grinding at 34/34 while I'm trying to get perception high enough that I can stop training it for minutes.

>Guess I'm just not excited about spending more time finding more boxes in 3.0 just to waste locksmithing exp grinding at 34/34 while I'm trying to get perception high enough that I can stop training it for minutes.

I'm sure if you ask nicely they'll halve the amount of experience you get from boxes.

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>>Disarming and lockpicking are two skills. Each train separately at different actions. This hypothetically would take X many boxes to lock each skill.
>>Locksmithing is one skill. What used to teach the previous skills separately now teach the same skill. This hypothetically will take X/2 boxes to lock, since you no longer need to fill 2 separate pools. In the first incident, Perception would train X times, from actions performed with double the number of boxes compared to the second incident. Hence, Perception will train the same as it previously did, but locksmithing skills will lock faster, urging people to not work as long for perception.

The problem is not with boxes or locksmithing learning faster. The problem is in difficulty/lack of training options for perception at the 1000+ rank range, especially for survival primaries. He wasn't implying what I thought he was, so it's not really an issue.

But since you think it's a problem I'll explain again that nerfing the experience for a skill (locksmithing) while doing the only thing that trains that skill (opening boxes) just so that another skill (perception), that's a exp bonus while doing those actions (opening boxes), will train at an even pace with the previous skill (locksmithing) is a very poor solution. Perception has many other ways to train, locksmithing does not.

As to the OP I do understand your complaint as it sucks. After 3.0 hopefully they'll fix some long standing issues with learning post 1k.

Heh, simmer down folks...

We'll take a look and see how perception exp is working out. I would like to think we can find other useful uses for perception, and ways to train it at higher skill levels than simply doubling box exp...

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>>I'm really failing to see why someone wouldn't just keep popping boxes after they ML locksmithing if they still wanted to learn perception.

Because they ran out of boxes? With the slow down in hunting, that becomes a problem, where locksmithing isn't (due to 'double dipping' on disarm/pick).

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>>We'll take a look and see how perception exp is working out. I would like to think we can find other useful uses for perception, and ways to train it at higher skill levels than simply doubling box exp...

A good option for the combat oriented would be to fill the critter ladder out with stealth creatures. That is one Thing the high level areas have covered with the top few critters.

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In addition, for those saying 'just collect', here's a test I just finished running, timing for 0-34 of percep of JUST collecting:

[Script finished (In 2281.4584919 seconds): collect2.cmd(86)]

That's 40 minutes of straight RT. High ranks perception needs work.

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>>Because they ran out of boxes? With the slow down in hunting, that becomes a problem, where locksmithing isn't (due to 'double dipping' on disarm/pick).

Except the discussion is "I ML locksmithing before I get perception to where I want it to be," not "I can't get perception where I want it to be because I don't have enough boxes because I can't kill as fast"

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