JUNKY8
Noway to contribute
11/25/2012 09:07 PM CST
1325 EVASION... (thief) Stance set 100 95 0. No burden. Last move "dodge" (also tried parry) , set of shalshwar leathers, no other armor or shields. I cannot even pass thru assassins without geing 5 bolts stuck in me. It doesnt train anything.... i am underhunting to the point of "0" learning.... but get devastated just passing thru.
My question is..... how can i contribute ANYTHING at all constructive given these circumstances. 3.0 From what ive seen is a 100% FAIL. Please toss it in the trash and move on.
PENDUS
Re: Noway to contribute
11/25/2012 09:22 PM CST
>>1325 EVASION... (thief) Stance set 100 95 0. No burden. Last move "dodge" (also tried parry) , set of shalshwar leathers, no other armor or shields. I cannot even pass thru assassins without geing 5 bolts stuck in me. It doesnt train anything.... i am underhunting to the point of "0" learning.... but get devastated just passing thru.<<
You're doing it wrong then. With less evasion I stand in assassins all day on test and don't get touched.
Your body tightens as you draw your arms together in a sinuous, flowing motion, mimicking the form you were trained to adopt for this roar of warning.
Kodius fled to the west in terror!
Roundtime: 2 sec.
You're doing it wrong then. With less evasion I stand in assassins all day on test and don't get touched.
Your body tightens as you draw your arms together in a sinuous, flowing motion, mimicking the form you were trained to adopt for this roar of warning.
Kodius fled to the west in terror!
Roundtime: 2 sec.
JUNKY8
Re: Noway to contribute
11/25/2012 09:35 PM CST
well pendus the other thiefs are having the same issues. Being you are a barb... maybe somethings different. But i assure you im doing nothing wrong. I stated all the facts.... what about them was wrong...
BEVERAGEK
Re: Noway to contribute
11/25/2012 09:42 PM CST
Are you saying you weren't using shield at all?
I'm not sure 3.0 was designed around only using one defense.
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I'm not sure 3.0 was designed around only using one defense.
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PENDUS
Re: Noway to contribute
11/25/2012 09:51 PM CST
>>well pendus the other thiefs are having the same issues. Being you are a barb... maybe somethings different. But i assure you im doing nothing wrong. I stated all the facts.... what about them was wrong...<<
Without seeing how you're hunting there I can't say, but I can see with lower evasion they never touched me. Which other thieves are having an issue? I can't speak on their skills or how they hunt. I know myself assassins were absolutely no challenge to me.
Your body tightens as you draw your arms together in a sinuous, flowing motion, mimicking the form you were trained to adopt for this roar of warning.
Kodius fled to the west in terror!
Roundtime: 2 sec.
Without seeing how you're hunting there I can't say, but I can see with lower evasion they never touched me. Which other thieves are having an issue? I can't speak on their skills or how they hunt. I know myself assassins were absolutely no challenge to me.
Your body tightens as you draw your arms together in a sinuous, flowing motion, mimicking the form you were trained to adopt for this roar of warning.
Kodius fled to the west in terror!
Roundtime: 2 sec.
JUNKY8
Re: Noway to contribute
11/25/2012 09:51 PM CST
Correct. No shield at all. Shouldnt i be able to evade a lowly assassin with 99 agil 99 ref and 1325 evasion? I know another large thief was having same issue.
TFPALADIN2
Re: Noway to contribute
11/25/2012 09:52 PM CST
Silly question, but single armor set up, or multiple armors? Whats the hinderance like?
TEVESHSZAT
Re: Noway to contribute
11/25/2012 09:53 PM CST
>>My question is..... how can i contribute ANYTHING at all constructive given these circumstances.
"There seems to be something wrong in the evasion calculations. I am being hit too often, and too hard, from something notably lower than me skill-wise"
When in doubt, http://elanthipedia.org/
"There seems to be something wrong in the evasion calculations. I am being hit too often, and too hard, from something notably lower than me skill-wise"
When in doubt, http://elanthipedia.org/
THESAGEONE
Re: Noway to contribute
11/25/2012 09:53 PM CST
>>Are you saying you weren't using shield at all?
>>I'm not sure 3.0 was designed around only using one defense.
It wasn't.
You have a total defense score which all three defenses make up the total. If you rely on evasion alone you're only using a portion of your total defense score.
Consider on top of that penalties from hinderance and/or burden and you lower your effective defense further.
Not sure where assassins rank, especially in 3.0, but it's very possible that that 1300 ranks of evasion were significantly less than expect in the contest.
>>I'm not sure 3.0 was designed around only using one defense.
It wasn't.
You have a total defense score which all three defenses make up the total. If you rely on evasion alone you're only using a portion of your total defense score.
Consider on top of that penalties from hinderance and/or burden and you lower your effective defense further.
Not sure where assassins rank, especially in 3.0, but it's very possible that that 1300 ranks of evasion were significantly less than expect in the contest.
TEVESHSZAT
Re: Noway to contribute
11/25/2012 10:04 PM CST
JUNKY1
Re: Noway to contribute
11/25/2012 10:16 PM CST
1 piece of armor in total. shalshwar leathers. I had my goves and cowl off when i logged into 3.0 because i was poppin boxxes. Just kept it that way for a quick trial run.
If you were only wearing some coarse shalswar-hide leathers your maneuvering would be insignificantly hindered and your stealth would be minimally hindered.
But considering all the armor and shields you are wearing or carrying, you are currently insignificantly hindered and your stealth is minimally hindered.
GERSTEINJ2
Re: Noway to contribute
11/26/2012 08:19 AM CST
<<Does thief confidence influence evasion?>>
No. Urban bonus, and khri avoidance or khri speed would be the only thief boosts to evasion, and urban bonus wouldn't apply in assassins I don't think? <never been in the area except running thru very fast once or twice with a non-thief character, so didn't take the time to check>. could be wrong there. <smirk self to check if urban or not>
But using only 1 defense out of 3 won't be good in 3.0.
An arisen dummy zombie bellows, "You will all be ssslaughtered!"
>
No. Urban bonus, and khri avoidance or khri speed would be the only thief boosts to evasion, and urban bonus wouldn't apply in assassins I don't think? <never been in the area except running thru very fast once or twice with a non-thief character, so didn't take the time to check>. could be wrong there. <smirk self to check if urban or not>
But using only 1 defense out of 3 won't be good in 3.0.
An arisen dummy zombie bellows, "You will all be ssslaughtered!"
>
MYTHORLOGICAL
Re: Noway to contribute
11/26/2012 12:18 PM CST
The penalty for not using shield with evasion is way, way too high. I completely agree that 1300 evasion should be enough on its own to handle a substantially lower level critter, and I think that the current setup is too extreme.
Markat says, "Pleasant people without moral faults, going to church every week and abstaining from sins such as vanity and zombies. Feh...."
Markat says, "Pleasant people without moral faults, going to church every week and abstaining from sins such as vanity and zombies. Feh...."
RAIST
Re: Noway to contribute
11/26/2012 05:00 PM CST
>Urban bonus, and khri avoidance or khri speed would be the only thief boosts to evasion
Urban bonus does not affect evasion or backstab. (nor does wilderness bonus for Rangers)
I went to go find a post that explains this, but could only find one for Rangers. I'll keep looking.
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Urban bonus does not affect evasion or backstab. (nor does wilderness bonus for Rangers)
I went to go find a post that explains this, but could only find one for Rangers. I'll keep looking.
Weapons for Sale:
http://www.elanthipedia.org/wiki/User:Caraamon#Wares
Hunta Talna Kortok, built by Gor'Togs, for Gor'Togs
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg2/caraamon/home.html
Combat Balance List:
http://tinyurl.com/DRBalance
RAIST
Re: Noway to contribute
11/26/2012 05:09 PM CST
Found it:
http://elanthipedia.org/w/index.php/Post:Ranger_Bonus_2.0_-_6/17/2010_-_12:19:45
Weapons for Sale:
http://www.elanthipedia.org/wiki/User:Caraamon#Wares
Hunta Talna Kortok, built by Gor'Togs, for Gor'Togs
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg2/caraamon/home.html
Combat Balance List:
http://tinyurl.com/DRBalance
http://elanthipedia.org/w/index.php/Post:Ranger_Bonus_2.0_-_6/17/2010_-_12:19:45
Weapons for Sale:
http://www.elanthipedia.org/wiki/User:Caraamon#Wares
Hunta Talna Kortok, built by Gor'Togs, for Gor'Togs
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg2/caraamon/home.html
Combat Balance List:
http://tinyurl.com/DRBalance
