I've gone through and systematically re-balanced SoI for all guilds using actual formulas and stuffs. Here's the final list for Barbarians:

Stamina
Reflex
Strength

Tactics
Forging

Skinning
Outdoorsmanship
Stealth
Athletics
Evasion

Debilitation
Inner Fire

Expertise
Missile Mastery
Melee Mastery
Offhand Weapon
Brawling
Heavy Thrown
Light Thrown
Polearms
Staves
Crossbow
Bow
Slings
Twohanded Blunt
Large Blunt
Small Blunt
Twohanded Edged
Large Edged
Small Edged
Parry Ability

Defending
Chain Armor
Light Armor
Shield Usage

-Raesh

"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose

>>Once again, I don't understand why Barbarians have debilitation rather than warding. We're supposed to be the preminent anti-magic guild.

Being good against one kind of warding doesn't mean you're masters of it.

Plus, this isn't something that determines the power of your warding spells, but the power of warding boosting abilities.

You'd probably get more mileage with debilitation as your SoI based on Roar Masks and War Paints alone.

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Debil seems more the barbarian style. Make your enemies cower while you ripe off their limbs. One seems more offensive vs the others defensive nature.

http://elanthipedia.org/w/index.php/Warding

The two examples here are an elemental and damage mitigating effects, so I dont think Warding as a whole is the 'anti magic' skill.

>>Plus, this isn't something that determines the power of your warding spells, but the power of warding boosting abilities.

This.

>>so I dont think Warding as a whole is the 'anti magic' skill.

And this. Stopping magic attacks is one of the many things warding can do. It is not the be all and end all of things it can do.

-Raesh

"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose

>Traditionally

This is not a reason to do anything.

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-Raesh

>>Traditionally barbarians have been pretty immune to magic attacks. I think our SoI should reflect this tradition.

Look at it this way:

While barbarians are known for having anti-magic abilities, what are they are better known for is addressing it on an offensive level than a defensive one. Along with that, they're known for addressing everything on an offensive level. No one looks at a barbarian and thinks of that barbarian as someone who will enhance their ability to act in a defensive manner if they had to pick between offensive manner and defensive manner.

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>>NOT A GOOD REASON! Come on now. It is a GREAT reason.

It's really not. Maybe this will help clarify. Tradition ALONE is not a good reason to do anything.

>>Tradition gave us our 3+ techniques in forging.

I really doubt that. I imagine it was more that Weaponsmithing makes the most sense out of all other crafting disciplines. I mean, can you really see the prototypical barbarian studying rune lore? Or cooking? Or doing anything other than using a weapon, or making said weapon?

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"Disagreement with the fundamental plan at this point is akin to supporting Richard III vs the Tudors."
-Raesh

>>Unfortunately this isn't the case with our regular buffs.

Glad you said it first.

Codiax.
Forged Weapons:
http://www.elanthipedia.org/wiki/User:Codiax#Codiax-Forged-Weapons

It could have been stone carving, which is where making/enhancing chakrel falls. But there has been a long tradition of weapon smithing so we got that. And no tradition alone is not enough, but tradition is a connection with the past. And the past of the barbarian guild/abilities should be reflected in 3.0.

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=/= means 'does not equal', if you were not aware. So warding and magic resistance are not synonymous, by a long shot. Warding is more wide and encompassing.

All squares are rectangles, but there are an infinite variety if rectangles which are not squares.

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Yes I was aware of the meaning. So barbarian warding will encompass more than magic resistance! Like major physical protection and the like! Ward against drowning, ward against falling when climbing and a ward against blowing forging a weapon that is above my skill level.

I get it now, MUXCH MORE than JUST magic resistance.

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Wards are defensive powers. As far as I can see you have some anti elemental, anti damage and anti magic. Many guilds have a number of abilities within a set of magic skills but that does not mean it is in their SoI. It depends if that is a guild focus, and warding by its definition is not 'anti magic', its 'defensive supernatural'. The GM's believe that debilitation is more in line with the flavor of the Barbarian guild than Warding is (ripping away your enemies capabilities and defenses). I'm not trying to be a biased external voice here, but I'm not sure I disagree. The idea of a barbarian intimidating me while he charges at me with giant axe seems more iconic than one that is weathering the blows of dozens of attacks.

Debilitation being within our SoI, shouldn't our circle requirements for it be higher?

Getting grandfathered only 300'ish ranks of Debilitation at 150th is quite low. Or does SoI have no impact/meaning on circle requirements?

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>>Or does SoI have no impact/meaning on circle requirements?

No impact at all. Rangers don't explicitly have a brigandine requirement, nor do Necromancers have to train outfitting, etc.

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Warding: magic based shield skill.

Barbs: Use a single, very specific, shield type, not representative of all shields.

Berserkers: do not shield at all, they eat the damage, ignore it, and come forward bleeding and wounded to kill you anyway. That's not warding.

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There is a limit to how many tertiary skills you can fit in your sphere. I really felt Debilitation would be more USEFUL to you as a buff (think intimidation boosters). Boosting Warding skill has the potential to make your warding-related abilities better, but at the end of the day is just skill.

This doesn't mean your warding abilities are going to suck. You have some of the best ones in the game...

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