I've made a few changes to WORM. The first is that it will no longer interfere with either RoC or WORM. The second is a new REVERSE option that works with the same mechanics as EotB where a cast of sufficient potency will remove the spell from you entirely.

-Raesh

"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose

Lastly, can we get a Meta spell that is a real reverse option for WORM? So we can cast it on other people in an offensive way? =)

-Zerreck

I think he's thinking of using it as a necro-type malediction. It sounds like a cool idea to me, vs Will.

OR... The other idea i had for an offensive version of worms mist was to make ikt a pulsing dispel that eats away at the magic on the target.

-Zerreck

>I still think self-buffs should be castable with WORM up.

That's the trade-off you're paying for having such a potent barrier.

>>Thematically, I don't see how being wrapped in an armor of stinky magic prevents me from, say, altering my nervous system or making boney plates grow out of my shoulders.

Skipping the balance issue for the moment, the thematics behind it is informed by the idea that spellcasting involves creating a spell pattern in three-dimensional space, which then gets "anchored" into the target. Skin-tight magic barriers would interfere with the process, since you still need to cross it to get the pattern "out there" "in here."

-Armifer
"In our days truth is taken to result from the effacing of the living man behind the mathematical structures that think themselves out in him, rather than he be thinking them." - Emmanuel Levinas

also in 2.0 worms was the best magic barrier around and there were very few. Now there are many magic barriers, and some are far better then worms. Ghost shroud for example is far superior of a spell, while it only really stops TM it has no effect at all on the cleric using it. and it cannot be dispelled. In 2.0 worms also used to stop almost all incoming at level magic with ease, the trade off was i had no magic either. This is no longer the case. while i give up all my magic still, i regularly am still effected by other peoples spells.

Zerreck

>Keep in mind that GHS is changing from an accuracy debuff to a damage debuff in 3.1. It also doesn't really stop spells as much as influence some rolls on if it will hit or not (or how much damage it will do in 3.1).

So I tested this with a friend on test. Without GHS i can hit him 10/10. When GHS is up, I miss 1/2 the time. Still clearly looks like an accuracy debuff at the same time.

On that note, how would it look if worms mist actually moved to a Cyclic ward? This would likely help the starting/stopping of worms mist. I have a really big issue with having to cast ROC to drop worms mist mid fight, and losing every other buff I have up.

Similar to Aether cloak, but without the backlash.

Is this at all possible? If not. Just say so, and i will drop it.

-Zerreck Arkarm

>Like Raesh mentioned in his release post, there is a new REVERSE casting option that you can use with WORM that has the same principle as EoTB did originally, with a re-cast of EotB removing the original EotB effect. If you haven't checked it out yet, please do and let us know how it feels, especially mid-fight.


Is it released in test? I tried at a lot of different mana levels to recast this spell to reverse it. And it never happened. I did however notice that i could drop it with ROC now. Which is useful for training i guess?

-Zerreck Arkarm

>Keep in mind that GHS is changing from an accuracy debuff to a damage debuff in 3.1. It also doesn't really stop spells as much as influence some rolls on if it will hit or not (or how much damage it will do in 3.1).

I think GHS treats TM the same in 3.1 as it did in 3.0. The change from accuracy barrier to damage barrier applies only to the mundane ranged weapon (i.e. LT, HT, XB, sling, stick bow) ward facet of the spell IIRC. Unless that's changed or I misunderstood the changes... Haven't followed too closely. Anyway, apples and oranges really since GHS doesn't ward against debilitation. I think the closest warding spells are soldier's prayer and lay ward, maybe shear if we're pushing it.

It'd be pretty cool if you could expel the worms in the direction of someone you target to eliminate the spell from yourself and somehow debilitate your enemy; maybe a mini-vertigo effect?

>>I have a really big issue with having to cast ROC to drop worms mist mid fight, and losing every other buff I have up.

Cast Worm Reverse.

... never mind. I thought I was up to date on the forums when I replied. I was not.

-Raesh

"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose

It would be a cool feature of trans spells if they can't be dispelled at all, which would also connect to how they can't be willingly released as a whole.

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<<I made that mistake once myself today. But what about the idea of worms mist actually moving to a cyclic spell? It just seems so easy to dispel. Or even better, paying a spell slot so it just cant be dispelled.

If you made it a cyclic spell, what cost would that incur?

It certainly prevents one from casting (i.e. having active) another cyclic spell. Of the two cyclic spells available, ROC and USOL, are there times you'd like to have worm's mist and one of those active. Probably not ROC, but USOL is a viable candidate, no? Or can USOL not be active?

Nikpack

No offense, but the cleric hax need toning down, not expansion to other guilds. Dispel and rend are the only anti-cleric options, but 'ware syba lybaabsba and the fact that by cyclics and orb, they can make sure the one cast you get isn't going to touch some stuff. If GHS is that bad, it needs adjustment. It's already too hard to kill each other without dispels (including necromancers, which can basically kill with immunity vs any at level but barbs via pets and worms).

Basically, down with the arms race.

Alternatively, up with shear too!

I think it's a little of both. I've felt clerics are OP since 3.0 dropped, even without access to everything all the time, it's just too synergistic compared to other guilds.

While I've enjoyed the conversation (it's been engaging), let's move the discussion of the how awesome the clerics guild is up to the cleric's folder. Thanks!

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I think there's a couple issues. The first is that, from what I hear, Worm's acts like shear in that it's useless if the attacker pumps enough mana into the attacking spell. Since we're all casting at the caps in PvP, that makes Worm (like shear) pretty useless. It sounds like this might be reviewed as part of barriers with 3.2.

On the cyclic front, if Worms does indeed get some heavy barrier power to it that can't be bypassed with more mana, there's serious balance issues with making a necromancer basically immune to magic while simultaneously allowing them to control an attacking option (pets) that is, right now, very, very vicious. As came up the last time we discussed the power of the necromancer pets, the retort is generally "don't attack the pet, attack the necromancer." And that was generally the justification for the exceptional power of the pets. If attacking the necromancer comes off the table because of a vicious cyclic (meaning cannot be dispelled) magic barrier, they become pretty invincible to anyone except barbarians (and even that might be stretching it considering what Zerreck's pets can do to like, Gort).

In any case, that's a slightly more cogent explanation of what I was trying to get at in my earlier post. It sounds like the 3.2 barrier changes might make a world of difference for barriers like Worms and Shear.

The problem comes when a zombie is so easy to avoid, it is basically not even a threat anymore. Anyone with pulsing inviz is instantly immune, clerics my level using halo, (tested for 10 min length of halo) never once made it to melee long enough to swing. I even made him jump a couple times.
As long as someone only faces me, and not my zombie, He doesn't search and you can hide on hit with sub 500 ranks of stealth. Again, immune to it.

Zombie AI is dumb. And that's okay. But implying i have some perfect offense ability will make me to powerful with a ward that actually stops magic and cannot be dispelled, seems a bit rough. Though i do hope all wards get looked at. Because they don't seem to be filling the niche they are intended to.

-Zerreck Arkarm

>Isn't that just MMs and thieves? And I don't know if you've had a chance to play with pulsing invis since the last changes, but it doesn't pulse like it used to. If you point someone out, or they attack once, it's something like a minimum of 25 seconds before it pulses again. That's plenty of time for a charging-from-missile pet to get some nasty licks in.

I have not actually, that is good to know,

>I'm not trying to crash on necros or Worms or zombies or anything, Z, and I really didn't mean to jack the thread. I don't have anything more to add anyway--here's to seeing how the barrier rewrite goes.

Oh I know. I will not stop posting about Necromancer's 27+ open spells slots, and ways to fill that up and put necro's back on an even playing field tool wise. I know not everyone is going to agree with my suggestions. Some of them are likely even bad. But last i heard about a necro spell was a Small edged buff. And i just see no possible way that will ever get used at high end. I mean we have the one combat cyclic, which is hard to use at best without fear of reports. No ritual spells. And no high slot super powerful spells other than the zombie. (which is only 3 slots, compared to the 5 or 6 slot cost awesome spells out there.) Not to say the Zombie is not worth every last penny.

So please feel free to keep posting. I want other peoples input and attention on these things.

-Zerreck Arkarm

>I'm not sure how this jives in the 1000+ skill range

There is no question, you better call your friends to fight a zombie. He is a defensive bulwark. His offense is actually not that high. I also generally use my on defense, further lowering his offense. But hands down, I am 10X easier to kill then my zombie. With weapons or spells.

Though like you said, I think its fitting that our pets are a serious threat, and actually tougher then we are.

It's not that different from a sphere that can't be dispelled or attacked in any way.
(in no way an attack on Sphere, I think its an awesome spell)

-Zerreck Arkarm