What is the logic behind providing appraisal XP for them? I remember a conversation a little while ago for Empaths, wherein everyone seemed to agree removing the XP and removing (or drastically lowering) the timer was a good idea?

I for one would prefer they teach no experience if it meant I could readily appraise them, but it's a pretty minor point either way.

>>While you are poking around with this, is there any chance you could make it so others cannot appraise our zombies? I don't care about gaining exp from appraising my own zombie btw.

Having a necro I understand why you'd ask this, but it doesn't make a lotta sense to me. If I take take a few seconds and gauge the might of a cabalist or bone wyvern, why couldn't I gauge the zombie?

Samsaren

>Having a necro I understand why you'd ask this, but it doesn't make a lotta sense to me. If I take take a few seconds and gauge the might of a cabalist or bone wyvern, why couldn't I gauge the zombie?

My preference is that zombies can't be appraised either, but I don't think it's very feasible or reasonable. My reasoning is that it's the only example of being able to assess the combat strength of PC without actively engaging them in combat, which is 'unfair', but ultimately kind of meh. I think it's kind of funny when Therengians sit around an HLC necros zombie, but won't attack it because it's appraising as mythical, in the same way I think it's funny that people RP out conflicts instead of just fighting when they don't know whose tougher.

>>As stated, zombies are about the only way to judge a PCs strength.

Critter difficulty != PC stats/skills

Critter difficulty == PC's TM + amount of mana used + critter used + any buffs given to the critter (aka: RPU) + RNG + equipment critter has, not to mention that it's in relation to who ever is appraising it, which makes things even harder to pin down.

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>Critter difficulty != PC stats/skills

Well, sure, but you can probably remain confident that a necromancer whose TM is lower than your combats is also going to be easy pickings. Chances are offensively, TM is going to be a necromancers highest skill. No other PC combat skill can be evaluated without engaging in combat this way.

I agree it's sort of moot, it's mostly just a nitpicky thing.

>Also I feel that if you don't want someone knowing your "power," even if it is an inference based on the stats Teveshszat listed, then don't be identified as owning that zombie. A consistent theme in the necromancer guild has been that it's on the shoulders of the player to keep his characters secrets.

Sure, but unless you're in a room with multiple zombies, it's typically not to hard to figure out it belongs to the necromancer in the room. It would be absolutely hilarious to accuse someone of Necromancy, get an angry group of Therengians to start demanding they prove their innocence, COMMAND ZOM COME, COMMAND ZOMBIE ATTACK Therengian, and start screaming about how the person is clearly a necromancer.

I've never even heard of something like that happening though.

Haha how about a corruption spell which alters others appraisal of our minions ;)

Just for discussion purposes, I think NOT knowing the strength of a zombie would enhance RP and the PvP experience around Necro's. People holding vehemently anti-Necro RP positions and continuing to practice magic or braid grass around a zombie because it appraises as too difficult is sort of not how it should be. Not knowing if a zombie is level 5 or over 9000 is no different than not knowing if that trash talking player is circle 5 or 150.

I suppose you can always THUMP someone if you're uncertain if you out circle them.

>I think this would lead to people ignoring all zombies rather than them engaging more often.


Yep. The assumption is, generally, unless I'm already 120-150th, everyone is higher than me. Especially anyone who's going to be parking a zombie somewhere to cause fights.

Plus allowing people to appraise a zombie is just realistic. I can eyeball someone and generally get an estimate of how badly they're going to kill me.

>People pick fights with one another without knowing precisely the skill level of one another.

In DR? Really? How often does that actually happen?

>Haha how about a corruption spell which alters others appraisal of our minions ;)

Be careful where you use that joke, someone might think you're being serious about it.

mark all xxx
You carefully size up xxx, gauging her overall perception.
As you consider stealing from xxx, you believe she looks like she's got better eyes than you have fingers.
You also eye xxx over, trying to discern how much wealth she is carrying.
xxx has absolutely no money.
You have no idea what you're doing and feel like you just made wild guesses.
As you consider hiding around xxx, you believe she's got good eyes, you'll be spotted pretty easily.
You have no idea what you're doing and feel like you just made wild guesses.
As you consider an attempt to stalk xxx, you believe she's got pretty good eyes, maybe you shouldn't try it.
You have no idea what you're doing and feel like you just made wild guesses.
As you consider a stealthy assault on xxx, you believe... Perhaps you should just give up and become a paladin?
You have no idea what you're doing and feel like you just made wild guesses.
Roundtime: 6 sec.

<<If I can't cast thunderclap, you can't summon the dark lord of the abyss to devour the flesh of the innocent>>

true. rangers have something similar, scout awareness, that gives them similar information. As the 3rd survival prime guild necros should have something to gauge others with. perhaps in 3.2? or 3.14159...I like pie....

<<If I can't cast thunderclap, you can't summon the dark lord of the abyss to devour the flesh of the innocent>>