Ok, I just returned to DR after about five and a half years and rolled up a new character - a moon mage in fact. Now I never really had a lot of money, I didn't play the game super hard core, but I'm beginning to get back into the game and make a little cash. Now I purchase my first little jadedite gweth and wear it and feel all great about myself. Now I can talk to people while I hunt and listen to all the interesting people and all their interesting comments...

Enter gwethsmashers. Apparently there is a new device (invented by moon mages I think? - Which is too bad given my character) that can smash other people's gweths. What the heck? Are you serious? Now I know I don't make the greatest of comments sometimes and sometimes I have too much fun at other people's expense but I don't think I said anything inappropriate over the gweth (is asking if invasion creatures drop unique loot inappropriate?). Regardless a person by the name of Miir decides to smash my gweth. All comments on the character and personality of Miir aside - I'm sure he's a charming individual - but how can the DR staff allow this to exist? Apparently it grants consent to the person who's gweth was smashed but I don't think that really matters. DR was always a game more about RP and having fun then about how high level you character was or how BA you were - although those were parts that you could indulge if you wanted. I mean stop me if my analysis is wrong but the introduction of these gwethsmashers seems to be a serious divergance from the spirit of DR that existed five and a half years ago. I mean you can only talk on the gweth's if you're high enough level that if someone smashes your gweth you can go out and kill them? I mean what recourse do I have if my gweth was smashed for no reason by someone higher level then me? How can this exist in DR?!

Anyways, I'm just a little angry at the whole situation. I'm sure this topic has been brought up before and maybe someone can tell me how the GM's have responded to it in the past? Also, thank you Kystrala for giving me a new gweth and healing all my emotional wounds outside the Cleric guild grin. Somehow I'll have to find a way to repay you,

Thanks,

Telaroth

>Talking poorly about someone like Miir who hoards smashers is not a wise investment.

See the fact that this comment is probably true is the problem. How can we allow people that hoard smashers have all this power?

-Telaroth

>>How can we allow people that hoard smashers have all this power?

What power? The power to shut people up who are using an area wide communication tool? Ohhh the power! Hold me while I swoon. See Equine cemetery for a well reasoned explanation of why this is a 'good thing'. Look for posts by Armfer.

>>Not everyone RP's a snugglybunndysmoochypants.

This.

Also:

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Dateline 1/24/2009: GWETHSMASHER CLARIFICATIONS AND INFORMATION

Gwethsmashers are a legitimate avenue for players "self policing" of the gweth by destroying the target's gweth or temporarily halting their ability to use gweths and gweth-like devices. Although it might take a while for some individuals to get the point after having their gweths smashed, they should eventually figure out what the general populace considers acceptable for the gweth. We are aware that there may be times that "because I felt like it" smashings occur and because of this, the target of a smashing can see who did it, so they can take care of it in an in-character manner.

Gwethsmashers can only be used once every 24 hours and can only target people who have used THINK within the past five real-life minutes, including time spent out of game. Since you must be directly engaged in conversation (THINK within 5 minutes) and within gwethdesuan range of the attacker to be targeted, the chance of someone attacking you out of the blue is fairly small.

Smashing someone's gweth grants consent to the target. The target of a successful gwethsmashing will see who did it, and can therefore retaliate accordingly. However, we are not going to allow the killing to continue until the gweth is replaced; it is a pure and simple retaliatory consent and is worth a death. After that, you should just get a new gweth, be more careful about what you think and move on. Gweth smashing will be ruled a NO-GM situation with the exception of someone harassing the gweth smashee. So, unless you are being harassed, assisting/reporting on it is only going to get you a NO-GM ruling.

Due to the fact that changes to gwethsmashers have made them a more common part of everyday life; the victim of a successful gwethsmashing is no longer be stunned when gweths are smashed and targets for gwethsmashing can not avoid their fate by hiding or becoming invisible. However, the attacker is still subject to a stun if they fail the contest. Yes, the use of a gwethsmasher is contested, not automatic. The contest is stat based, rather than circle based.

Unbreakable Gwethdesuans will NOT break (they wouldn't exactly be 'unbreakable' then). However, they will be rendered inert for six hours. The gwethdesuan will still exist, but it will just be a piece of fluff. After six hours, the gwethesuan will start functioning normally again.

Gwethsmashers are a NO GM situation. There does not have to be a justification for a smashing. Having Consent does not guarantee you will get your satisfaction. It guarantees you the option to attempt it, not success. That said, the entire system is being monitored closely for abuse.

If a single individual is harassing you with a gwethsmasher, then it is handled under our normal policy for harassment. If multiple people are gwethsmashing you for unrelated reasons, it may be time to reassess the contents of your messages or the tone in which you send them.

END NEWS ITEM

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-TG, TG, & GL, et al.

>P.S. IMO you shouldn't publicly "out" someone on the boards. It's bad form.

How the heck is it bad form? I'm just telling you guys what he did. If he doesn't want other people to know about it then he shouldn't do it. That sounds like a proverb I've heard somehwere - that's probably a biblical principal too, heh.

Also if this is a topic that's been discussed before do you mind telling me what the GM's have said? They just said it was a part of the game, not gunna change?

Or you could find out what you did that caused the smash and then determine if it's worth it to you to alter that behavior.

Perhaps you were being OOC, spamming the heck out of the gweth during an invasion so important messages were being lost, insulting the wrong person, etc. Gwethsmashing normally doesn't happen just because someone decides they don't like how your name is spelled.

If you find out why and realize maybe you were in the wrong and might want to cut off what you did, good on ya. If you find out it was because the person thought you were being a jerk and you decide to continue as you were because it best fits your character, also, good on ya but realize there are consquences that go along with it.



~Arwinia

The Empath spellbook is a riddle trapped in an enigma hidden inside a lot of suck.-Armifer

>Also, I wish Elanthians.com still worked, so we could actually see what was gwethed, since I doubt that is the 100% unadulterated truth.

You know it's kinda funny, I knew you guys we're gunna come after me before I even posted. I don't come on the boards to wag my little ego around, I can tell, as well as I can remember it exactly what I said over the gweth if you want to know. If there's anything inappropriate in what I said it would mostly likely be the thing about if the invasion critters drop any unique loot which I already mentioned I talked about. All that aside, thank you for pointing me to what's been talked about before - you've been a great help.

-Telaroth

Telaroth I've seen your gweths and I can see why someone would smash you.

Also, read this.

http://www.play.net/forums/messages.asp?forum=20&category=1&topic=19&message=2572

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Rev. Reene

"...It is in the deserts and high places that religions are generated. When men see nothing but bottomless infinity over their heads they have always had a driving and desperate urge to find someone to put in the way."

Man I thought I was being pretty constructive this time too


~Arwinia

The Empath spellbook is a riddle trapped in an enigma hidden inside a lot of suck.-Armifer

Chucking your own gweths into a trash bin is like gwethsmashing everyone in the game.

Very satisfying.

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"...I am inclined to think the focus of the [Warmage's] spellbook should be ways to make things explode, to help you make things explode, or to assist your victim in exploding." -Armifer

>>If I can go for years without smashing

It's not like you had much of a choice.

For the years that you went without smashing people were clamoring for Gwethsmashers.

That being said I've known Miir for a couple years now and I'm sure if you were smashed it was for a good reason

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The above discussion look familar? That's because it was just moved here from Surviving in Elanthia.

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I'm guessing this is your problem:

<<If there's anything inappropriate in what I said it would mostly likely be the thing about if the invasion critters drop any unique loot which I already mentioned I talked about.>>

Considering you also said...

<<DR was always a game more about RP and having fun then about how high level you character was or how BA you were>>

Asking if an "invasion creature" drops "unique loot" is most likely the issue, since that's something that folks might consider out of character, depending on how to phrased it on an open, public channel.



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Oh, my last post was responded from the point of view that you thought asking about loot was more concerned about how high level your character was or how BA you were. I think you were talking about the RP. RP wise ya I guess it was close to the line. I didn't really know how to ask it without sounding bad. I guess I should just ask a friend in the future...

-Telaroth

Can we please change this category to the "Endless Gweth Smashing Discussion?"



Mujaki Paladin of the people.


P.S. One quick question. I heard someone talking about consent till you get your stuff back when it came to pickpocketing. Is there a consent till you get your gweth back?

>>One quick question. I heard someone talking about consent till you get your stuff back when it came to pickpocketing. Is there a consent till you get your gweth back?


No it is not. From posted Policy News 2 26


>>Smashing someone's gweth grants consent to the target. The target of a successful gwethsmashing will see who did it, and can therefore retaliate accordingly. However, we are not going to allow the killing to continue until the gweth is replaced; it is a pure and simple retaliatory consent and is worth a death. After that, you should just get a new gweth, be more careful about what you think and move on. Gweth smashing will be ruled a NO-GM situation with the exception of someone harassing the gweth smashee. So, unless you are being harassed, assisting/reporting on it is only going to get you a NO-GM ruling.

---Thya Telle
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>Policy should take into account :

I think it's more a matter of one being stealing policy and the other one being not stealing policy.

~ Kougen Aensworth, The Lightcrafter

"It is the destiny of those who can know what will be, to lead those who do not to guide them, to protect them, to lead them to enlightenment."
- Grandmaster Taramaine Braun

My two cents on this issue is that none of this really matters if people are able to be adults about the situation. This goes with every single possible policy issue in the book. The book is practically irrelevant if we were dealing with people who could figure out the conflict in the game. However, that is not always the case and not everyone wants to deal with conflicts even though that is a form of role-playing. To me, that is perfectly acceptable because how I choose to have fun is not always going to be the same as the way someone else chooses to have fun in a game. I do agree with Miir in this thread above all else so far.

Because of the fact people are not always adults about a situation and are able to handle a variety of situations that may be uncomfortable to them in this game, we have a policy book. Great, no objections yet.

I do agree with Gonif that the policy is contradictory in how it relates to stealing items/gems and consent compared to offering consent to a smashed gweth.

In the past when there were only two to three gwethsmashers available to PCs (I know because I had two out of the three at one point), this wasn't really an issue with these types of threads. I'd log into a friend's account who was a MU and smash a person's gweth if they were incredibly annoying. The fact it is producable by moon mages just seems to completely obliterate the fact that it was something perceived to be highly monitored by GMs. Today, it is completely un-monitored by GMs except in situations of harassment (multiple attempts by the same individual(s)). It strikes me as very odd that this was released to be producable to affect lower level characters. If they deserve it - great, but this form of policy allows for anyone to gwethsmash provided they win the contest no matter what. That's completely different from what I remember two years ago and I'm not entirely convinced it is for the better of the game.

- Simon

>> As a self-proclaimed master spokesperson, I'd have Rmel attempt to utilize diplomacy first.

In my head, I automatically translated this to "ath a thelf-proclaimed mathter thpokethperthon, I'd have Rmel attempt to utilize diplomathy firtht."

It's just a reflex now. Incredible.

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Rev. Reene

"...It is in the deserts and high places that religions are generated. When men see nothing but bottomless infinity over their heads they have always had a driving and desperate urge to find someone to put in the way."

>is asking if invasion creatures drop unique loot inappropriate?

IMO yes. the rest was just blah blah blah...