While we're at it, why don't we add a token that let's lore primes swap the lore skillset placement with another skillset. I'm being a little facetious, but I think crafting techs are the only perks to being a lore prime right now. I'd be opposed to giving that away without some form of recompense.

> How is this giving away lore prime...as they could get the same extra techs?

Maybe I was too hasty in my reaction, but I feel like everyone having more of something decreases the value of that thing. So the bonus techs for lore primes is suddenly worth less as a skillset perk. It's like adding a pass to reduce the minimum hinderance floor, add 5 spell slots, reducing hiding RTs by 1, or increasing the off-hand weapon maximum. Technically, everyone would benefit from this, but it realistically has one of two outcomes. Either A) the costs are readjusted to assume everyone has spent more money on passes (hurts everyone), or B) more people have slots and there's less reason to be a lore prime (discourages lore primary guilds).

I'd personally rather not see bonus tech slots, spell slots, etc be available for coin. I think that breaks the "in game advantage" barrier in ways the other scoin stuff don't.

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>I would buy a bunch.

I think that might be the problem? While clearly more and more is becoming available for purchase, it hasn't quite gotten to buying effective ranks yet.

Jalika

There are patterns it is impossible to nearly impossible to craft without the appropriate techniques.

So yes, it's pretty dang pay2win.

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Hi.

Bickering goes elsewhere.

Also, stay on topic, Tutoring for crafters.


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I think part of the tech slot thing is also like how spell slots are essentially working these days: having "too many" options is intended, so people don't homogenize by the time they reach "end-game" skill ranks/circles.

Making it so people could get more and more tech slots would defeat that purpose. It is fully-intended [in theory, at least] that a single character shouldn't be able to necessarily get all the techs in one particular sub-craft, let alone craft type as a whole.

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To be more clear.

If you could only add techniques via microtransactions to societies you have already picked as career or hobby it really wouldnt be pay2win.

It would just allow you the convenience of not having to swap techniques. You can already do it. And while there might be penalties or larger fees for it down the road.. it would still be possible. So it really wouldnt give some huge advantage.

It would just allow you to avoid a either time delay or in game fee. And that is basically the idea of microtransactions.

> If you could only add techniques via microtransactions to societies you have already picked as career or hobby it really wouldnt be pay2win.

It still would be. Let's say that I have 1200 ranks in forging and a career in blacksmithing. I now have 25 techs to spend over blacksmithing, weaponsmithing, and armorsmithing. I'd need 23 of those techs to cover every inch of my career's tree. I now have 2 left. Let's say I'm a lore prime and spend my other career and hobby on weaponsmithing and armorsmithing. I now have 20 techs in the forging disciplines. That means I'm 5 short if I want to be a master blacksmith and weaponsmith. Let's say I only want to make things well, and I don't care how long it takes. So I drop the speed tech in WS (-4), and the forging tool care. That brings me to -3. I would then have to go to the store and buy the rest of my skillset. In other words, I'd have to pay to win.

Let's just add tyrium and imperial weave directly to the simucoin store while we're at it. After all you still need ranks to use them effectively so what's it matter?

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As another example..

They sell box openers that completely 100% eliminate the need for an entire skill.

Compared to that.. purchasing some extra techniques is pretty inconsequential.

I wouldnt care. I would rather the money go to simu than character sellers on drsales.

Though again.. most of the techs can be gained just through ranks and career/hobby. The ones usually not picked are things like table making. I don't think it will unbalance anything if those are available for a bit of cash. It is actually one of the more logical places for microtransactions. Especially since you still have to have skill to back up the techniques.. even more so if using rare mats.

I dont see the problem with selling 2 techs for 5 bucks.

They only could be used in a profession you are career or hobby in (so already invested).

It honestly doesn't hurt any balance... because the techs that would be taken with it are the techs that most people never use or take to begin with. Like table making and stuff like that. You can get most of the important ones anyways.

> It honestly doesn't hurt any balance... because the techs that would be taken with it are the techs that most people never use or take to begin with. Like table making and stuff like that. You can get most of the important ones anyways.

Be honest. What would you do with those techs if you had them right now.

If i had the techniques right now? Nothing. At all. I have all but 1 technique reachable by skill and career/hobby.

I just dont take a lot of techs that i almost never use or see a use for. I would pay to get the rest just to have them.. because i like options. As it is now i can just swap out techs if need be. And even if that is made more like spells... it wouldn't change much.

So no. It really isnt a big deal to my character. If it happens awesome. If not.. meh life continues.