http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragonrealms

The DragonRealms page on Wikipedia has been flagged as non-notable and is in danger of deletion. I'm sort of out of my depth when attempting to argue the ins and outs with Wikipedia editors, but I thought perhaps some Elanthipedia admins or other people with wiki experience might be on firmer ground with them.

Anyone with a neutral point of view want to have a whack at it? Anyone with a non-neutral point of view able to cite some references we might use in the article?

Additionally, according to Wikipedia, Elanthipedia does not have a substantial history of stability and a substantial number of editors.

The Wikipedia editors will not allow Elanthipedia to be used as an external link for the DragonRealms page. Can any Elanthipedia admins make the case for its allowance? I can't find the stats for the number of editors on Elanthipedia, or the "stability" of that wiki, unfortunately. I'm also not sure what they mean by substantial.

Legeres has apparently been fighting the good fight over there, however he is but one man, standing against a tide of staid, red-pen-wielding Wikipedians! DragonRealms (don't forget the in-cap) needs YOU to stand against this threat to our prosperity and way of life. I mean, um, to our Wikipedia page.

-- Player of Szrael --

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Some random references:

Could we use some of the info on the MUD site ranking pages like topmupsites? http://www.topmudsites.com/forums/mudinfo-cemm.html

This one's not to fancy but it does support the history of DR. http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/MUD

My favorite find. They seem to follow connectivity of MUDs out there. If being #1 of Fantasy related MUDs and #3 of all MUDS isn't notable, I donät know what is. http://www.mudstats.com/Game/DragonRealms.aspx

Nikpack
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-Z

oops should of previewed(see the talk page for the reference sites, there's one there for popularity as well)

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Who cares

Also, whose SS of SF is that on the wiki page? What a horrible SS why would you do that to DR? You're scaring away new people.

>> if any DR player has some experience as a Wikipedia editor

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Sigh.

God please don't make me go back there :( It's not hard to prove notability, you demonstrate its significance in the MUD market. Worse comes to worse you condense the DR article into the Simutronics article and do the same with GS and any others floating around...

Honestly there's a lot of cruft anyway so merging wouldn't be such a bad thing.

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Or:

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/MUD




Solomon


Fight me:
http://la-bubbita.mybrute.com

Not sure it would help with this article, but I also recall a review of GS on GEnie in Dragon Magazine. That can always be used as a source reference if someone can track down the issue.

This was back when GS was one of two MMOGs in existence and was sufficiently positive to get me to sign up for GEnie instead of CompuServ, who had the other one.

-pete

Oh wow, that link to http://www.mudstats.com/Game/DragonRealms.aspx is friggin awesome. I remember years ago getting into this big flamewar about one of the other MUDs 'cheating' with the voting system on topmudsites.com because they were giving out ingame bonuses for going to vote for free advertising. DragonRealms doesn't do that, so we could never generate consistent enough voting to stay at the top of the rankings list.

While I understand the wanting the free advertising and the need to be at the top of the list to get it, I think my argument at the time was that it was disingenuous and invalidated the ranking list completely. Instead of a genuine ranking on popularity (most players), you had rankings of game playerbases most prodded/enticed to go vote.

Anyway, it's cool to see a site that shows the reality of the situation. DragonRealms and Gemstone at the top and, even now years later, still with numbers roughly twice the size of the next biggest competitor.

<<It's kind of scary that the #1 MUD is of the genre "Furry (Adult)".

You haven't met a lot of Prydaens in DR have you?

Disclaimer: I don't think all or even most Prydaens are like this. But you'd be delusional if you didn't think a significant portion of them are.

-Evran

Crackling with unspent rage since 386AV.

I too think the site is awesome. Now I only wish they published a history of their info as well. I'd love to see what the stats looked like say a year ago. Two years ago.

I can't quite figure out who runs the site nor how to contact them to request this though.

Nikpack
player of more than I should list

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Swimming List:http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/Swimming_skill

And while I am evil, I try to avoid being just plain mean.
-Z

Looks like it might link you to a different one also called dragonrealms.So some of the info in the main page folks linked to may be inaccurate. I clicked on one of the links and it was some one in England.

dragon realms vs dragonrealms

http://www.topmudsites.com/forums/mudinfo-drealms.html

>>Their website appears to be defunct.
>>Anyone try to telnet in?
>>Get me some contact info and I'll look into it if they're still around.
>>Solomon


dynu.com was a free dynamic DNS web service which allowed you to host your own services from your computer, such as drealms.dynu.com's telnet service for the Dragon Realms MUD.

While the dynu.com website is offline, their nameserver seems to trace back to a dsl business account which is still running. Thier website/mail/ftp/services seems to have been out of operation since around March of 2008. Who knows how long it has been since the 'drealms' account on dynu.com stopped hosting the MUD, but it seems that it is definitely offline now and have been for awhile.

FWIW, I don't know what constitutes "Notability" in wikipedia, or even what's considered a valid "reference" on wikipedia, so I don't know if this will help, but here is a piece of old gaming history that references Dragonrealms:

Back in 2003 I made a Warcraft 3 map that was fairly popular on Battle.net, and it spawned tons of offshoots, gaming clans, websites, and international gaming leagues. When I made the map, all the heros and spells and abilities were based on DragonRealms. The original hero names on the map were named after the intial TF fallen players (which I was a part of), and I fit every guild into the map. There were empaths that (could not attack) and transferred HP and healed themselves, there were moon mages that dropped moonbeams, teleported around, traders that ran trade routes, bards that enchantes..etc... If anyone played wc3 during those years, and played DR, they would instantly recognize the characters from DR

The map wasn't as popular as DOTA, but it was a map where at its peak, tens of thousands of players played. Some people still play it today, but its more popular outside of the US. Back in 2006, A huge international competition gaming website, http://www.mymym.com/, did an in-depth article on my map and it mentions it being based on DragonRealms:

http://www.mymym.com/en/article/71.html

Googling also turned up this ETS article, which also mentions Dragonrealms
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Enfo's-Team-Survival

This site also has a nice long article on DR itself too
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Dragonrealms

I also stumbled upon a YouTube video of the oldschool gameplay from way back then:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sV_yhzso9kg

It shows two of the characters fighting off wave after wave (paladin and moon mage) of mobs...
Some notable abilities:
0:32 - Moon mage uses DO to kill Giant Salt Crabs and Gnolls.
1:16 - Moon mage casts Starlight Sphere and guides it towards her moonbeam where the Paladin is tanking.
1:25 - Moon mage turns the moon beam into Burn. Burn worked a bit differently than it does in DR, you cast it on an already-placed moonbeam, and it turns day into night and deals massive damage to all enemies at the moonbeam. Paladin then taunts the mobs to the moonbeam.
1:51 - Paladin uses Halt/Scales of Justice?, which is also quite different. It stuns both the Paladin and all mobs around him, and reduces his own health and the health of the mobs around to 1 hp.
2:11 - Moon mage opens a moongate in the line of the enemies, that teleports all enemies that steps through to the location of the moonbeam.. then she casts burn:)
2:50 - Moongate again, used defensively.




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(double post.. sorry)
aside from that, map looks awesome, i'm not sure if it can be used as a reference or not

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Umm...

Excessive travel time really shouldn't be on the list of Criticism.

I'm sure you traveled in WoW. Even WoW's travel time I don't mind but you really gotta acknowledge that aside from GuildWars which allows click-teleportation without spells/runes after you been to any outpost once, there's really no game where you can travel as fast as DR.

Any travel time complains in DR stems either from: 1) Avaialbility of ships (2 hours on the Skirr instead of every 10~15 minutes) but even then that's not a frequent trip by design. 2) Much of population being spoiled by the travel time such that some even suggested breaking the immersion by allowing 5 minute travels to M'riss. Even WoW intra-continental flight paths are longer than that.

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>>Excessive travel time really shouldn't be on the list of Criticism.

>>I'm sure you traveled in WoW. Even WoW's travel time I don't mind but you really gotta acknowledge that aside from GuildWars which allows click-teleportation without spells/runes after you been to any outpost once, there's really no game where you can travel as fast as DR.

>>This is one of the major reasons that until recently I never played WoW or any other Graphical MMO. I've been spoiled by DR. The only travel times I think are ridiculous in DR are the barges and gondola

Err ... I haven't played WoW for awhile, but exactly what travel are you talking about that?

Unless you're sporting 60% mounts, travel in WoW = lawlz

I think he was referring to your comparing DR travel to WoW travel.

WoW travel is a joke


~Arwinia

The Empath spellbook is a riddle trapped in an enigma hidden inside a lot of suck.-Armifer

I'm more of an achiever than an explorer so the long walks in WoW annoy the crap out of me and there's no scripting it. DR Travel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WoW Travel

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>>I'm more of an achiever than an explorer so the long walks in WoW annoy the crap out of me and there's no scripting it. DR Travel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WoW Travel

long walks? wtbh ... either never made it to lvl 40 (30 now), didn't know mages, or never heard of flightpaths.

As far as I'm aware the longest flightpath is still infinitely shorter than travel in DR.

>>although previously you had to memorize the keystrokes and let muscle memory do the walking.

Heh, I still use the ten key on SF. I can run the NTR from the crossing to the ferry in like 10 seconds now.


~Sulakhan

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