>>and NO retreating/Fleeing.

This is only in the Breech Tunnels themselves. A halfling or gnome might be able to, but the rest of us have to do like Solid Snake and shimmy into a rathole on our hands and knees. In the other, wider places, retreating is perfectly able to be accomplished.

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There's a jump between beisswurms and vines? :-P

I actually would consider hunting morahs if I wasn't worried about how I'd do against the marauders that wander in from time to time... so technically I'm training to be able to stand to marauders so that I can hunt the ridiculously awsome and cool vines/creepers. Blood wolves at neer's hummock are decent for this... I try to avoid non-swarmy critters, as my MO is my highest skill and I don't intend to change that, and these swarm just barely enough for me to be happy. I would consider trying sand sprites if they weren't all the way in Ratha...

I suppose part of why I don't think I'll need spiders to get to the next swarm is because I use zerks regularly... dangerous, but very rewarding.

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Every broken enemy will know
That their opponent had to be invincible;
Take a last look around while you're alive,
I'm an indestructible Master of War!
~Disturbed: Indestructible, unofficial Barbarian Theme Song. YouTube it.

Sand Sprites would serve you much better than wolves, and once you can zerk down in the dark area where they REALLY swarm, you'll be more than ready for Maras.

This is exactly what I did and it worked like a champ. I did spend a little time in silver leucros, but they weren't consistent enough with the gen for me, so I went to vines/creepers and had no trouble surviving.


Life is too short to drink cheap beer.

Cofirmed, spent a long time down there between hunting and backtraining things, and never, every used a light source.

there's a step in between reavers and vines?>>>>>>>


Yes, as I stated, they are called sand sprites. Blood wolves bite for training Multi (when starting them), sand spirtes hit lighter, and swarm more...

WOnderful, wonderful creatures.

>>I'd love to train with the sprites if they weren't all the way in Ratha<<

I submit that Ratha is closer than Vines and creepers if you're starting from crossing. Timing is everything, but I still believe if I catch the Skirr at the right time that I can be in Ratha before you can be in Theren, unless you have the survival skills to be able to swim the Faldesu and Jantspyre Rivers.


Life is too short to drink cheap beer.

agreed. don't be a wuss, bite the bullet, with around 100 in defenses I doubt theres anywhere the senior players of the game would be besides sprites, and thats just cause we know and they're awesome.

>>if I catch the Skirr at the right time that I can be in Ratha before you can be in Theren, unless you have the survival skills to be able to swim the Faldesu and Jantspyre Rivers.

Way better chance of a moongate from the south side of the Faldesu and from Haven to Lang. If I can catch someone with a couple gates, it takes me less than 5 minutes plus a plat tip to the Moon Mage. Not to mention the odds of you catching the skirr when it's in port suck.

I stopped learning anything from sprites at 83 ranks pretty much straight across the board. With 10 on me, they moved my MO at 95 ranks, but not super quickly. I went to vines/creepers at 85 defense, 90 weapon ranks and just found a different room when a mara came in. At 95 ranks I could hold my own 1 on 1 with a mara, and at 102 I could kill them.

I'm a Barb, but I'd say 105 to kill the maras 1 on 1 for other people would be fine.

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[Alisyn] "Drevid i think part of your scimitar is still in my abdomen"

[Ohuzewicasta] "Nah, he's just happy to see you"

Zaktraw I hate to say this, but there is NO way. I can see the 105 shield blocking them often enough, especially with 18+ reflex if you have it, but I don't see the 68 weapon ranks hitting. Ever. I'd say you last ~2 minutes in that situation. If you last more, I am doing something wrong, that's for sure.

FTR:

Shield dominates vs. critters with weapons. I think that's why you can "take" the maras...

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[Alisyn] "Drevid i think part of your scimitar is still in my abdomen"

[Ohuzewicasta] "Nah, he's just happy to see you"

At circle 16 with low stats and 74/73 2HE/Brawling Marauders are a pain to kill, regardless of what zerk/dance I use. It's doable, but not easily.

On the other hand, I've been able to easily 'handle' two or three marauders until the critter retreating kicks in ever since I first stepped into Ker'Leor several circles ago. I think their defenses may be in need of a tiny downtweak, or something... they wreck my mindstate by teaching defenses too much since I can't kill 'em. It's getting better with the higher ranks... enough that I can kill them with brawling, but not the 2HE, curiously enough.

Just a thought.

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Every broken enemy will know
That their opponent had to be invincible;
Take a last look around while you're alive,
I'm an indestructible Master of War!
~Disturbed: Indestructible, unofficial Barbarian Theme Song. YouTube it.

poor, which I suspect is the culprit. When it does hit, however, it tends to hit very hard.

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Every broken enemy will know
That their opponent had to be invincible;
Take a last look around while you're alive,
I'm an indestructible Master of War!
~Disturbed: Indestructible, unofficial Barbarian Theme Song. YouTube it.

Yeah, shoving is good. It's like Roar Anger, just with a bug that makes it unusable if you outclass your opponent (FIX BRAWLING! :P)

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Every broken enemy will know
That their opponent had to be invincible;
Take a last look around while you're alive,
I'm an indestructible Master of War!
~Disturbed: Indestructible, unofficial Barbarian Theme Song. YouTube it.

Oh, and I kill vines with my LE, ME, HE, 2HE. All of which skills were sub-25 when I started doing it, never miss.

A slender falcated dagger with a balanced pommel is a light edged melee-ranged weapon.

You are certain that it could do:
poor puncture damage
fair slice damage
poor impact damage

You are certain that the dagger is reasonably balanced and is poorly suited to gaining extra attack power from your strength.

You are certain that the falcated dagger is fairly sturdy, and is in pristine condition.

The falcated dagger is made with metal.
You think it is likely that the falcated dagger weighs about 15 stones.
You are certain that the falcated dagger is worth exactly 12500 kronars, 10000 lirums, or 9020 dokoras.

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A scimitar is a medium edged melee-ranged weapon.

You are certain that it could do:
poor puncture damage
heavy slice damage
poor impact damage

You are certain that the scimitar is fairly balanced and is fairly suited to gaining extra attack power from your strength.

You are certain that the scimitar is of average strength, and is in pristine condition.

The scimitar is made with metal.
You are certain that the scimitar weighs about 26 stones.
You are certain that the scimitar is worth exactly 525 kronars, 420 lirums, or 378 dokoras.

~~~

A bastard sword is a heavy edged melee-ranged weapon.

You are certain that it could do:
low puncture damage
great slice damage
poor impact damage

You are certain that the sword is fairly balanced and is fairly suited to gaining extra attack power from your strength.


A bastard sword is a two-handed edged melee-ranged weapon.

You are certain that it could do:
low puncture damage
severe slice damage
low impact damage

You are certain that the sword is reasonably balanced and is fairly suited to gaining extra attack power from your strength.

You are certain that the bastard sword is fairly sturdy, and is in pristine condition.

The bastard sword is made with metal.
You are confident that the bastard sword weighs about 27 stones.
You are certain that the bastard sword is worth exactly 12500 kronars, 10000 lirums, or 9020 dokoras.

Traders are OP.

~Zaktraw

I have 18 str/agi, 16 ref/stam, and 75 ranks of 2HE, and my reasonably balanced bastie has difficulty hitting; my poorly balanced greatsword rarely makes contact at all. Brawling at the same ranks can get good hits and eventually move up to solid as they get weaker, and finally kill them, with footwraps and plate gauntlets.

Either two points in agility makes a huge difference in to-hit, or you're killing 'em very slowly. It's possible, but hard.

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Every broken enemy will know
That their opponent had to be invincible;
Take a last look around while you're alive,
I'm an indestructible Master of War!
~Disturbed: Indestructible, unofficial Barbarian Theme Song. YouTube it.

<<ZAKTRAW>>
How is your Pike mileage going?

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>>Either two points in agility makes a huge difference in to-hit, or you're killing 'em very slowly.

I noticed a gigantic difference in 2 points of agility. Not to mention my strength was a little beefed for my circle (Barb) so when I did hit, it was harder.

>>Zaktraw

Lol.

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[Alisyn] "Drevid i think part of your scimitar is still in my abdomen"

[Ohuzewicasta] "Nah, he's just happy to see you"

>Any recommendations on a light source for the non-magically inclined?

I used a torch and flint for a very long time -- the swarms down in the sprite's basement is just too good to pass up at less than 100 ranks.

Regards,

Qivalon~

last I remember, you can drop it in your room and you will still be able to see.

also, if money isn't an issue, have a moon mage make you a few of those things that follow you and provide light.

they're pretty slick...

-saul the gnome

<<Can you just light the torch and drop it or do you need to hold the torch in one hand? I'm a 2 handed weapon user.>>

<<Just remember that you can't light a torch in a dark room. If you are down in there and it goes out, you are going to be "blind" until you get back out or you move into someone else's room that has a torch going.>>

IIRC you'll also get messaging along the lines of sputtering before the torch goes out completely - giving you time to light a new one.

I was always a fan of oil lanterns if you're planning on hunting in dark areas. Carrying extra oil weighs less than a load of torches. Lanterns also last longer than torches if I remember correctly.