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Plague Wraiths 01/09/2007 09:24 AM CST

Couple questions about these...

1. They seem to be immune(?) to non-holy TM. Is this some fluke, or intended? I can't even scratch one while slept with 1000 TM, but I can plink them to death with 10 ranks of composite bow.

2. Their medallions - anything special about them, other than being cursed?

ANZIANOBC

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Re: Plague Wraiths 01/09/2007 12:07 PM CST

I talked for awhile with the owner of this area and he is aware of the situation, though I guess he's very busy or not inclined to change it. If you notice, when we cast PD I get a pretty nice damage message, but then when I look at the wraith there is no damage. He told me that there was actually damage done but minor? I didn't get what he was saying since even if it was minor, 10 back to back casts of minor stuff should have showed something. I also don't see how their cloaks can stop a TKT flying at them with insane speed just like an arrow. I suppose I could have understood how velvers do it with their thick hides....sorta. But I can't understand how cloaks stop it but can't stop a speeding arrow.

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BRFUQUOIS

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Re: Plague Wraiths 01/09/2007 12:15 PM CST

I just always assumed that they're coded to be completely immune to non-Holy targetted magic. Every single spell I throw at them is, in one way or another, absorbed by their heavily plated hides. Even the shiny new Mark of Arhat gets absorbed whether I'm holding 10 mana or 50. Stat spells affect them just fine. Ice patch drops them (though they seem to be immune to immobilize/stun). The first half (SvA) of Paeldryth's Wrath whacks them back to missile, but the TM portion gets absorbed. Tingle makes them drop their scythes (which is usually a bad idea, since they will resort to their life-stealing green light thing that they do).

Fuquois

DR-SSRA

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Re: Plague Wraiths 01/09/2007 11:05 PM CST

They are immune to unholy attack.

If you're getting damage messages with no damage being generated, it's not a creature problem. It's a spell problem.

Also, when examining the creature I noticed that normal weapons hurt them ... that shouldn't be the case given they're immune to unholy attack.

-Ssra

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BRFUQUOIS

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Re: Plague Wraiths 01/09/2007 11:16 PM CST

>They are immune to unholy attack.

Me likey.... if I get a weapon skill and TM skill past Master level, can I get the title "Master of the Unholy Attack?"

Fuquois

DIMINISHEDANGEL

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Re: Plague Wraiths 01/09/2007 11:31 PM CST

Well, in this particular case I think the title would be 'Master of NonHoly Attack,' which is not quite as fun. But I think we know what Ssra means.

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ALDEN

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Re: Plague Wraiths 01/10/2007 12:00 AM CST

I thought some spells like ice patch and mind blast were working on them?

BRFUQUOIS

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Re: Plague Wraiths 01/10/2007 12:10 AM CST

>I thought some spells like ice patch and mind blast were working on them?

Shhh....

Fuquois

NEGEI

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Re: Plague Wraiths 01/10/2007 12:45 AM CST

<hands Ssra the nerf bat, cackling to herself>

>Also, when examining the creature I noticed that normal weapons hurt them ... that shouldn't be the case given they're immune to unholy attack.

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DR-SSRA

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Re: Plague Wraiths 01/10/2007 01:34 AM CST

<<I thought some spells like ice patch and mind blast were working on them?>>

Contested spells will probably work against them.

Target magic probably won't. Unblessed melee/ranged, etc. probably shouldn't work either .. but they are. Something strange is up but I'm not going to drop everything just to fix this right now.

-Ssra

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MELEAGRIS

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Re: Plague Wraiths 01/10/2007 05:48 AM CST

<<Also, when examining the creature I noticed that normal weapons hurt them ... that shouldn't be the case given they're immune to unholy attack.

Does this include Maiden's Tresses, Bloodvines, Blight Bats, Blight Ogres and several other creatures in Forfedhdar?

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DEARMANK

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Re: Plague Wraiths 01/10/2007 06:18 AM CST

Marbled Gargs is another creature like this, not sure about the tresses, bloodvines, ogres and bats but I don't think so

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Re: Plague Wraiths 01/10/2007 06:37 AM CST

<<Marbled Gargs is another creature like this, not sure about the tresses, bloodvines, ogres and bats but I don't think so

The ones I listed I'm pretty sure can't be affected by non-holy spells. If they are intended to also not be able to hit by unblessed weapons then it effectively eliminates a good chunk of critters from P5.

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ALDEN

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Re: Plague Wraiths 01/10/2007 10:44 AM CST

Could we explore this issue somewhat more Ssra? Why immune to non-holy TM but contested spells work? As a cleric, this doesn't affect me that much, but it seems odd that Lightning bolt wouldn't work but Break Branch would. If the point is that non-holy stuff is not supposed to 'harm' these, shouldn't any spell which can cause harm- such as MB, IP- heck even static discharge not work?

Are they corporeal or non-corporeal? (Rience or some cleric could you check with FF?) Really as far as weapons go that should be the issue.

Flavius

DR-SSRA

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Re: Plague Wraiths 01/10/2007 10:59 AM CST

<<As a cleric, this doesn't affect me that much, but it seems odd that Lightning bolt wouldn't work but Break Branch would. If the point is that non-holy stuff is not supposed to 'harm' these, shouldn't any spell which can cause harm- such as MB, IP- heck even static discharge not work?>>

I should have been more clear. Any spell that causes physical damage shouldn't work - that is not holy. Any physical attack that causes physical damage shouldn't work - that is not holy.

Things like dirt throw, mental blast, etc. would probably still work unless a holy check is coded into the spell.

The only magic system that will check for unholy attack immunity is target magic (as displayed by the original post) and ranged/melee combat. Obviously, something is awry with ranged/melee combat and I will examine that.

As for other contested spells I'll discuss that with Dart.

-Ssra

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MORS-INCARNATUS

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Re: Plague Wraiths 01/10/2007 02:12 PM CST

You can kill them with naphtha, too. :)

VROTSOSJ

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Re: Plague Wraiths 01/11/2007 12:44 PM CST

Yeah, they have always been fleshy undead in my encounters...though I always thought it to be rather odd.

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ANZIANOBC

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Re: Plague Wraiths 01/11/2007 05:11 PM CST

Does this mean that TKTing a blessed knife will be able to kill them and finally teach us TM Ssra?

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YUCELEM

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Re: Plague Wraiths 01/12/2007 03:57 AM CST

Any chance of improving the plague wraith gen rate or adding them to another, smaller area too? They are very nice creatures and a good alternative to hierophants, I'd like them to become more huntable.

~Aeth

TORTOLIA

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Re: Plague Wraiths 01/12/2007 07:34 AM CST

Out of curiosity, do the standard plague wraiths have the scorpion vomit the invasion ones have demonstrated?

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YUCELEM

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Re: Plague Wraiths 01/12/2007 07:46 AM CST

>>Out of curiosity, do the standard plague wraiths have the scorpion vomit the invasion ones have demonstrated?

I think they do, but they use their special attacks very, very rarely. I saw only one or two special attacks during the several hours total I've hunted them.

~Aeth

TORTOLIA

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Re: Plague Wraiths 01/12/2007 08:07 AM CST

Sounds good. That's probably the neatest special critter attack I've seen in-game.

Syralon
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MORS-INCARNATUS

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Re: Plague Wraiths 01/12/2007 08:26 AM CST

One of them definitely hit me with some sort of ranged poison-inducing attack. It was incredibly unimpressive. Probably needs a buff.

BRFUQUOIS

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Re: Plague Wraiths 01/12/2007 12:54 PM CST

They do have their special attacks (including the scorpion vomit and the life-siphon/lesser wraith generator). They seem to only use them rarely as long as they're holding their scythes. If they lose their scythes, though, it seems to be open season for special attacks.

Fuquois

VROTSOSJ

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Re: Plague Wraiths 01/15/2007 02:46 PM CST

>>Does this mean that TKTing a blessed knife will be able to kill them and finally teach us TM Ssra?

(signs point to no)

Does this mean that TKTing an unblessed weapon at steeds will be able to kill them and teach TM?

(signs point to no)

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ZONKAR

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Re: Plague Wraiths 01/15/2007 06:45 PM CST

>Does this mean that TKTing an unblessed weapon at steeds will be able to kill them and teach TM?

Steeds are cursed, you don't even need a bless to hit them.

VROTSOSJ

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Re: Plague Wraiths 01/16/2007 12:27 PM CST

>>Steeds are cursed, you don't even need a bless to hit them.

You would think that wouldn't you.

I am --- Navak

DIMINISHEDANGEL

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Re: Plague Wraiths 01/16/2007 12:36 PM CST

>>You would think that wouldn't you.

Eidolon steeds?

Unless they've changed them in the past six months, you don't need a blessed weapon to him them. I used to hunt them for HT practice and never had a blessed weapon.

VROTSOSJ

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Re: Plague Wraiths 01/16/2007 12:46 PM CST

TKT doesn't work against them unless you have had the item blessed at some point.

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ZONKAR

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Re: Plague Wraiths 01/16/2007 02:04 PM CST

>TKT doesn't work against them unless you have had the item blessed at some point.

Odd. I would care more if TKT wasn't such a relatively crappy spell. Good to know though.

KROONERMANREVENGE

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Re: Plague Wraiths 01/16/2007 07:37 PM CST

>TKT doesn't work against them unless you have had the item blessed at some point.

Sounds like a bug with TM magic vs. undead, and blessing it buggers the works even further.

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