I'm wondering, has anyone ever done a side by side of the two weapons in this category (since 3.1 dropped)?

I've always just used a sling since I assumed there was, functionally, 0 difference aside from lower RT. Anyone have any input on which is better/worse? This is for a 'tog, so I'm not sure which would make more sense for him to use anyway.

>>I've always just used a sling since I assumed there was, functionally, 0 difference aside from lower RT. Anyone have any input on which is better/worse? This is for a 'tog, so I'm not sure which would make more sense for him to use anyway.

You can parry with a staff sling - a bigger deal before parry sticks came out.

I've also played around with both and with the increased loading time you Do get better damage. This wasn't tested with one of the old overpowered slings though, so I don't know how it would be in comparison with those.

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>It's still arguably a big deal since you can't parry while holding any ammo-based missile weapons, right?

Tested and yep, you'd be correct.

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Very anecdotal since I don't have numbers to back it up, but I spent a bit of time with both and decided to stick with the staff sling.

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>Stonebow's start with a 5/6 load time but are trainable down to 3/4. If staff sling's RT were trainable down I would definitely love to use it. (Can this be a petition to make staff sling have a trainable reduced load time?!)

Why do you compare a sling or staff sling to a stonebow? Stonebows teach crossbow skill.

I'd like to see staff sling have an RT down-step, mind you. But I don't think it could go below 4, since you get into competition with slings, and the GMs never want weapon/spells to completely over write another set.

Though I guess we could drop sling RT down to 1/2 seconds and staff sling down to 3/4. Given how wimpy sling ammo is compared to arrows (yay firing greatswords from range...) that might not be grossly unbalanced.

>>I wouldn't be against bows and sling getting the same trainable RT reduction as crossbows.

Fixed that for you.

I was back training weapons and was looking for the best store bought 'sling' weapon (without regard to weight) and I chose this:


A long rowan staff sling with a leather basket lashed to the split haft is a staff sling type weapon.
A long rowan staff sling with a leather basket lashed to the split haft trains the sling skill.

The rowan staff sling is superbly designed for improving the force of your attacks.

You are certain that the sling is fairly balanced and is decently suited to gaining extra attack power from your strength.

You are certain that the rowan staff sling is appreciably susceptible to damage, and is in pristine condition.

You are certain that the rowan staff sling weighs exactly 60 stones.
You are certain that the rowan staff sling is worth exactly 1300 Lirums.



I get 3/4 with this weapon. What slings are you guys using that get 4/5? I've never heard of a 4/5 sling.

>>I think it's a bit ridiculous to say bow needs a boost to damage over time in the form of a load RT reduction.

My point was more that Bows do NOT have a skill/stat based RT reduction, but I don't think a 1 second RT reduction with skill/stats would increase DPS that much with Bows. Rangers can load from the quiver at the same RT as from the hand (-1 second) + they can dual load, and I don't see them ruling the world with Bows. Does it need it? Probably not, but I would like to see the RT reduction across the board for aimable ranged instead of 2 types getting it and Bows being left out, along with all the other penalties it takes.

>>Fixed that for you.

Shows how much I use non-sling missile weapons!

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>>The problem is balance. Bow has those restrictions because it does much more damage output than most other methods. Or it did, maybe the damage has been toned down? I kind of stopped caring after the 3.0/3.1 conversion and haven't heard anyone mention it, though people seem to favor spammable thrown weapons now.

It was toned down in 3.0 combat. My main is Bow for his main ranged, but is now backtraining Xbow, and I haven't used bow on a single new character since 3.0 save my Ranger, because they are the only ones who actually benefit from that skill. At this point Xbow is as powerful (maybe more with quads), and with Shaping about to be released aimable ranged should be balanced in power from sling up to heavy crossbows. There isn't really a point to continue penalizing Bows even further at this point.

Bows were only god weapons in 2.0 and all the reasons they were have been fixed now. At this point it's better to just use a stonebow with carved sling ammo since you will do the same damage as a bow with the same RT and won't have the constant shield penalty to skill and RT.

Interesting. My RT is based off a Ranger with 100 ranks in sling.

You reach into your quiver to load the rowan staff sling with a quartzite stone shard.
Roundtime 4 sec.
You unload the sling.
Roundtime: 1 seconds.

You load the rowan staff sling with a quartzite stone shard in your hand.
Roundtime 4 sec.


The 4 RT seems to be the standard load time, as far as I can tell.

small slings have lower RT, but do not do as much damage. Since weight isn't a problem for me I decided to go with the 60 stone staff sling with higher damage.

>You reach into your quiver to load the rowan staff sling with a quartzite stone shard.
>Roundtime 4 sec.
>You unload the sling.
>Roundtime: 1 seconds.

Ya. Rangers get a reduced load time when loading from quivers.

It's the same load time as you get when loading from your hand-held ammo.

Try putting a rock in your backpack/not-quiver and loading that.

You reach into your backpack to load the rowan staff sling with a quartzite stone shard.
Roundtime 5 sec.

Yep...nothing special about that staff sling.

So there is no RT reduction with increased sling ranks? Bummer.

At least allow slings to do a multi load ability like the multi throwing blades/saucers do.
It would have a damage penalty/aim penalty per additional rock.

>Engineering crafting - a staff sling with a hollow core that holds rocks for easier reloading and reduced roundtime. Very weak construction.


Repeater staff sling? I can dig it.