So, as a paladin, I've tried on four different large shields, and they've all capped at "great" protection under the new system, while arm worn. My new jousting shield however, without DA, is high protection. With DA, it hits great, which I thought would be perfect. It stays at high however, buffed or not, when I arm wear it.
bug?
THIFE
EDERICK
Re: New shield capping too low?
05/07/2012 02:57 PM CDT
If it is a forged jousting shield, it is a medium shield not large, and thats why its staying at high. One thing i'd like to see is DA allowing shields to go over the arm worn cap.
THIFE
Re: New shield capping too low?
05/07/2012 03:06 PM CDT
Its one of the older ones (this is while arm worn)
You are certain that it imposes fair (5/15) maneuvering hindrance.
This shield is large in size.
Your experience with shields allows a better appraisal of the protection capabilities.
You are certain that the shield offers rather low (3/19) to high (11/19) protection.
You are certain that it could do:
no (0/25) puncture damage
no (0/25) slice damage
very great (12/25) impact damage
You are certain that the shield is inadequately (4/13) balanced and is reasonably (7/13) suited to gaining extra attack power from your strength.
You are certain that the jousting shield is a bit safeguarded against damage, and is practically in mint condition (90-97%).
It appears that the jousting shield can be worn on the left arm.
You are certain that the jousting shield weighs exactly 100 stones.
You are certain that the jousting shield is worth exactly 40000 lirums.
Roundtime: 8 seconds.
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You are certain that it imposes fair (5/15) maneuvering hindrance.
This shield is large in size.
Your experience with shields allows a better appraisal of the protection capabilities.
You are certain that the shield offers rather low (3/19) to high (11/19) protection.
You are certain that it could do:
no (0/25) puncture damage
no (0/25) slice damage
very great (12/25) impact damage
You are certain that the shield is inadequately (4/13) balanced and is reasonably (7/13) suited to gaining extra attack power from your strength.
You are certain that the jousting shield is a bit safeguarded against damage, and is practically in mint condition (90-97%).
It appears that the jousting shield can be worn on the left arm.
You are certain that the jousting shield weighs exactly 100 stones.
You are certain that the jousting shield is worth exactly 40000 lirums.
Roundtime: 8 seconds.
R>
ISHARON
Re: New shield capping too low?
05/07/2012 03:17 PM CDT
>>DR-Kodius: Yes, all ranges changed with this release. No stats on the actual shields changed. So even if your shield is appraising as more hindering, it really isn't. The problem was hindrance ranges went up 3x what the most hindering shield allowed for, effectively ruining any kind of resolution you'd have on the appraise.
>>DR-Kodius: Yes you are just as effective as you were before. Arm worn caps did not change, but with the added resolution you may now glean more insight into how it works.
By the way, you are using outdated appraisal subs. You can download the latest version here: http://www.genieclient.com/bulletin/index.php?app=downloads&showfile=15
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>>DR-Kodius: Yes you are just as effective as you were before. Arm worn caps did not change, but with the added resolution you may now glean more insight into how it works.
By the way, you are using outdated appraisal subs. You can download the latest version here: http://www.genieclient.com/bulletin/index.php?app=downloads&showfile=15
Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall rank!
THIFE
Re: New shield capping too low?
05/07/2012 03:58 PM CDT
this has nothing to do with the shield changing stats. And the numbers are irrelavent. It should be great, not high. The problem is its high without DA arm worn, and high WITH DA arm worn, when the cap should be great.
SULLIVANS3
Re: New shield capping too low?
05/08/2012 08:33 AM CDT
Someone will correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the arm worn 'cap' is actually not an across the board thing. I'm under the impression that it's based at least in part on the shield's hand held protection and may be some percentage of that? Or something to that effect anyway.
~Katt
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NINEVAH1
Re: New shield capping too low?
05/08/2012 08:41 AM CDT
>>Katt
Yea, I believe that's how it works too. It's more obvious now that the app ranges have become more fine.
Yea, I believe that's how it works too. It's more obvious now that the app ranges have become more fine.
KASRKYN
Re: New shield capping too low?
05/08/2012 10:24 AM CDT
which pattern looks like it is also plays a part.
Some other targes with lower Held cap, but higher worn than the Storm Bull Small Shield
Tachid smugly exclaims, "Die midget!"
| Name | Held-Partial | Held-Full | Worn-Partial | Worn-Full |
| Shalswar Targes | 4 - Very Poor | 13 - Very Good | 4 - Very Poor | 10 - Moderate |
| Storm Bull Small Shield | 4 - Very Poor | 13 - Very Good | 4 - Very Poor | 8 - Fair |
Some other targes with lower Held cap, but higher worn than the Storm Bull Small Shield
| Name | Held-Partial | Held-Full | Worn-Partial | Worn-Full |
| Granite Garg | 3 - Dismal | 12 - Good | 3 - Dismal | 10 - Moderate |
| Azure Merrow | 3 - Dismal | 11 - Moderately Good | 3 - Dismal | 10 - Moderate |
| Silver Leurcro | 3 - Dismal | 10 - Moderate | 3 - Dismal | 10 - Moderate |
Tachid smugly exclaims, "Die midget!"
NINEVAH1
Re: New shield capping too low?
05/08/2012 10:32 AM CDT
It might be template based too? Just a guess.
KHAM
Re: New shield capping too low?
05/08/2012 10:39 AM CDT
So which skin/hide gives the lowest hinderance but with moderate arm-worn protection
KASRKYN
Re: New shield capping too low?
05/08/2012 01:22 PM CDT
<<So which skin/hide gives the lowest hinderance but with moderate arm-worn protection>>
You'll want the Ordinary Shield pattern if you want to minimize Hindrance while hitting Moderate worn. My testing is far from complete so there's possibly better options, but here's what I've got.
For the sake of comparison, here's a few of the targes
Tachid smugly exclaims, "Die midget!"
You'll want the Ordinary Shield pattern if you want to minimize Hindrance while hitting Moderate worn. My testing is far from complete so there's possibly better options, but here's what I've got.
| Name | Hindrance | Held-Partial | Held-Full | Worn-Partial | Worn-Full | Construction | Weight |
| Caracal | 2 - Trivial | 2 - Terrible | 11 - Moderately Good | 2 - Terrible | 10 - Moderate | 3 - Quite Fragile | 24 |
| Merrows, Crimson | 2 - Trivial | 2 - Terrible | 11 - Moderately Good | 2 - Terrible | 10 - Moderate | 4 - Rather Flimsy | 25 |
| Shark, Bull | 2 - Trivial | 2 - Terrible | 12 - Good | 2 - Terrible | 10 - Moderate | 1 - Extremely Weak | 22 |
| Sow, Razortusk | 2 - Trivial | 2 - Terrible | 10 - Moderate | 2 - Terrible | 10 - Moderate | 7 - Appreciably Susceptible | 24 |
For the sake of comparison, here's a few of the targes
| Name | Hindrance | Held-Partial | Held-Full | Worn-Partial | Worn-Full | Construction | Weight |
| Caracal | 3 - Light | 3 - Dismal | 12 - Good | 3 - Dismal | 10 - Moderate | 3 - Quite Fragile | 30 |
| Merrows, Crimson | 3 - Light | 3 - Dismal | 11 - Moderately Good | 3 - Dismal | 10 - Moderate | 4 - Rather Flimsy | 32 |
| Sow, Razortusk | 3 - Light | 3 - Dismal | 11 - Moderately Good | 3 - Dismal | 10 - Moderate | 7 - Appreciably Susceptible | 31 |
Tachid smugly exclaims, "Die midget!"
