>>1). Critters-renumbering so you hit the wrong one

Yeah, I did encounter some weirdness with this bit. I thought if we were facing the first, second, third or fourth of whatever creature, that it would never change and we would never have to switch? Here's a log of what happened below which I thought was weird.

In the log below, analyze first assassin worked, and then it didn't work and said I was too far, and then it worked again when I waited for a bit. I'm not really sure what happened.

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You assess your combat situation...

You (solidly balanced) are facing a Dragon Priest assassin (1) at melee range.
A Dragon Priest assassin (1: adeptly balanced) is facing you at melee range.
A Dragon Priest assassin (2: solidly balanced) is behind you at missile range.
A Dragon Priest assassin (3: nimbly balanced) is behind you at melee range.
A Dragon Priest assassin (4: nimbly balanced) is flanking you at melee range.

(You are also defending against a Dragon Priest assassin.)

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* A Dragon Priest assassin slices wide at you. You dodge.
[You're winded, solidly balanced with opponent in strong position.]
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* A Dragon Priest assassin slices wide at you. You block with a forearm-sized aegis crafted with metal-edged scales.
[You're winded, solidly balanced with opponent in good position.]
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* A Dragon Priest assassin fires a crossbow bolt at you. You dodge.
The crossbow bolt hits a wall and falls to the floor!
[You're winded, solidly balanced with no advantage.]

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The Dragon Priest assassin moves into a position to dodge.
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You reveal a moderate weakness in a Dragon Priest assassin's defense.
Armor reduction can be inflicted upon the enemy by landing a draw, a lunge, a jab and a thrust.
Roundtime: 2 sec.
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Out of the corner of your eye, you notice a Dragon Priest assassin trying to sneak southeast.
You notice a Dragon Priest assassin trying to edge quietly past you.

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The Dragon Priest assassin moves into a position to parry.
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The Dragon Priest assassin moves into a position to parry.
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* A Dragon Priest assassin feints high at you. You block solidly with a forearm-sized aegis crafted with metal-edged scales.
[You're winded, solidly balanced with opponent dominating.]
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You must be closer to use tactical abilities on your opponent.
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You shift with the force of the gusting storm of sound, leaning into the wind at just the right moment.
Your voice strengthens as you reach the chorus, deepening and losing the abrasive qualities normally inherent in the performance of the Desert's Maelstrom. For a few moments you are able to chant the words of this sibilant song clearly...

"Deepening shadows, cover their eyes,
Borne by sands, older than time,
Hinder their steps, irritate and blind,
Meet the Velaka, enemies mine."

It isn't until you are finished that you realize you were chanting in another language.
The Dragon Priest assassin spins around quickly, appearing to lose track of its surroundings in the swirling miasma of sound.
The Dragon Priest assassin spins around quickly, appearing to lose track of its surroundings in the swirling miasma of sound.
The Dragon Priest assassin spins around quickly, appearing to lose track of its surroundings in the swirling miasma of sound.
The Dragon Priest assassin spins around quickly, appearing to lose track of its surroundings in the swirling miasma of sound.
The Dragon Priest assassin spins around quickly, appearing to lose track of its surroundings in the swirling miasma of sound.
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* A Dragon Priest assassin feints high at you. You block solidly with a forearm-sized aegis crafted with metal-edged scales.
[You're winded, nimbly balanced with opponent in good position.]
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* A Dragon Priest assassin feints low at you. You block solidly with a forearm-sized aegis crafted with metal-edged scales.
[You're winded, nimbly balanced and opponent has slight advantage.]
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* A Dragon Priest assassin slices wide at you. You block with a forearm-sized aegis crafted with metal-edged scales.
[You're winded, solidly balanced with opponent dominating.]
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* A Dragon Priest assassin slices wide at you. You block with a forearm-sized aegis crafted with metal-edged scales.
[You're winded, solidly balanced with opponent in strong position.]
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* A Dragon Priest assassin slices wide at you. You dodge.
[You're winded, solidly balanced with no advantage.]
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* A Dragon Priest assassin fires a crossbow bolt at you. You dodge.
The crossbow bolt hits a wall and falls to the floor!
[You're winded, solidly balanced with no advantage.]

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* A Dragon Priest assassin slices a silver q'zhalata dagger at you. You block with a forearm-sized aegis crafted with metal-edged scales.
[You're winded, solidly balanced with opponent in superior position.]
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You assess your combat situation...

You (solidly balanced) are facing a Dragon Priest assassin (1) at melee range.
A Dragon Priest assassin (1: adeptly balanced) is facing you at melee range.
A Dragon Priest assassin (2: solidly balanced) is behind you at missile range.
A Dragon Priest assassin (3: solidly balanced) is behind you at melee range.
A Dragon Priest assassin (4: nimbly balanced) is flanking you at melee range.

(You are also defending against a Dragon Priest assassin.)

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* A Dragon Priest assassin slices a silver q'zhalata dagger at you. You dodge.
[You're winded, solidly balanced with opponent in strong position.]
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* A Dragon Priest assassin slices a silver q'zhalata dagger at you. You dodge.
[You're winded, solidly balanced and have slight advantage.]
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* A Dragon Priest assassin chops a silver q'zhalata dagger at you. You dodge.
[You're winded, solidly balanced with opponent in excellent position.]
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Your analysis reveals a good opening already being exploited in a Dragon Priest assassin's defenses.
Armor reduction can be inflicted by landing a draw, a lunge, a jab and a thrust.
Roundtime: 2 sec.

~ Leilond
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> The Dragon Priest__assassin spins around quickly, appearing to lose track of its surroundings in the swirling miasma of sound.

That was the first one to message. Looks like the stealthed assassin got added as number 1.

Once the combo is complete, reanalyzing the critter doesn't seem to indicate what combo is in effect on the critter.

First thing I noticed was that it kept trying to have the increased chance to stun on cursed creatures... which can't be stunned. That's a little disheartening.

Any chance the success points can be lowered? I can't seem to use this at level (lore tert). Or should I assume that Expertise will be => Analyze, and just wait for that?

I'm actually probably under hunting a bit by normal combat stats, in Apes, but my Tactics is only 363. I'm getting a "You fail to find any holes in the ape's defenses." message every time I attempt this.

Thanks,
Railz

From another thread on this

1) Id love if analyze would allow us to default to what we are facing, like analyze foe or something. When dancing its a pain to manage which target im facing and attack that one specifically.

2) Some of the commands are weird based off the weapon. I get slice, chop and bash with my Lance...

Would it be possible for each hit successful hit in a combo to extend the timer? I use some slower weapons 8-9 seconds and keep having the timer run out before I get to the last move.

>>as far as I can tell, nothing makes you lose your progress except the timer running out

If you miss and then do a different move other than the move you just missed (or otherwise use a move not next in the combo), it will kill your progress and you'll have to start over.

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~The Prydaen~

>>Would it be possible to change the verb to EVALUATE and have it function similar to Tactics maneuvers, in that just typing the command will target the opponent you're facing but will not make you advance towards the target?

Kodius was saying in another thread that if it targeted the critter you were facing then it would make the verb auto-engage, and he didn't want that. So right now there is system limits on making it target the critter you are facing without causing other problems.

>>Kodius was saying in another thread that if it targeted the critter you were facing then it would make the verb auto-engage...

Tactics maneuvers don't auto-engage I don't think? Can't you WEAVE against a target at pole range and it won't auto-engage you? Or maybe I'm mis-understanding.

~ Leilond
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h307/ss1shadow/Leilond_Progression.jpg

>I'm getting a "You fail to find any holes in the ape's defenses." message every time I attempt this.

I was a little disturbed to find that I get this message regularly on rats with 258 Tactics. My sample size is small, but three fails out of fifteen attempts is a little ridiculous versus rats.

>increase the potency of the analyze (10 levels exist)

Has anyone gotten all the levels of exploits? Versus rats, I seemed to start at moderate, increase to good, then substantial, then great, then massive.

>you or another player may re-analyze

Yay benefit for group hunting!

Elemental Lord Opieus, Master Warrior Mage of Elanthia
"For a bunch of radical empiricists, the Philosophers' system relies on a whole lot of faith." ~Armifer

Landing the wrong blow will not reset or damage the combo.

Depending on how well the original analyze succeeds, you may begin at level 3 or more. Subsequent analyzes can advance it more than 1 level of potency IIRC.

I would prefer not to use a different verb for various reasons, but I will consider what options we have. Eventually we will have to support much more complicated scenarios such as ANALYZE FIFTH RABID OGRE FOR ACHILLES STRIKE... and it just becomes a mess.

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"I have no data yet. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts."
- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Sherlock Holmes

>>Landing the wrong blow will not reset or damage the combo.

I really like this a ton.

So does this mean if the combo required is FEINT, LUNGE, SLICE, DRAW, that the following would trigger the combo effects? ANALYZE GOBLIN, FEINT, DRAW, DRAW, JAB, LUNGE, ANALYZE GOBLIN, SLICE, ANALYZE GOBLIN, JAB, JAB, DRAW

Basically three levels of analyze to extend the combo time, with a whole bunch of additional attacks thrown inbetween?

~ Leilond
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h307/ss1shadow/Leilond_Progression.jpg

<<Request: After you analyze a creature successfully, the attack verb normal chain is altered to follow the combo.>>

That would be incredibly awesome, especially if there was an easy way to tie Analyze to the foe you're facing. Maybe Analyze Facing?

Selfish Paladin Request

Can Analyze treat SMITE as a replacement to Slice/Bash/Thrust depending on the weapon that is being used(?).

Or if everyone analyze them, they could all just use ATTACK STRATEGY with my idea and automatically perform the next attack in order with my idea and not have to keep reanalyzing and running into one another trying to complete a tactic ^_^

It would make it so much more convenient in solo and group play!

Example:

Solo Play
Syntax:
Analyze <foe or enemy name> <strategy type>
Can be completed utilizing the commands or utilizing Attack <Strategy> to automatically cycle through the commands. If no current Strategy is available, Attack Strategy either does not function(with a message like "There is no active strategy!") or defaults to attack.

Group Play
Syntax:
Analyze <foe or enemy name> <strategy type> <Group>.
This applies to all members of the group. Leaving the group will end the Analyze effect.
New analyzes overwrite old ones and are player specific. Thus if a party member performs an analyze (group tactic) and a player then uses a personal analysis, they will use the later.

That means that group members that are not in sync can mess with one another, but thats where proper team work would come into play.

<<Please let me know if you have any questions or ideas for future expansion!>>

On the "ideas for future expansion" front: tactical combos. That is, combos that use only tactical maneuvers to inflict a debuff on the target's offensive capabilities. In particular,

-Reduced accuracy (you've got them really confused about how you're positioning yourself)
-Increased roundtimes and fatigue for attacking (you're maneuvering such that they have to exert a lot of energy to get to you)
-Chance to fall down when attacking (you're using the environment to trip them up)
-When engaged by multiple opponents, chance to cause the target to bump into another attacker when trying to hit you, effectively causing that attack to not take place (you're keeping the other attackers between you and the target of the combo)

Thanks,
-Life Sustainer Karthor

>>Translation: I have no clue how to/how hard it is to code this into a script, so I want the attack verb do it so I can.

Not at all, I use genie and I'm pretty good at manipulating genie hunter. I have the parsing most of the way completed for my own use since I figure this will be the main way I will be training endurance when thats out. Cant get it to work when there are 4 commands as opposed to 3, but I think I might know how to fix it.

My work around for the moment has been to do a loop that analyzes, does a match on the combat commands (which flips on the first thing it sees) and then perform that command, then repeat. If I cant get the former to work, I will use this as part of an Endurance training portion of my script.

That said i think making things easier for players (especially new ones) is awesome. With scroll with 4 mobs on me and combat messaging for players, I just think its a bit much to clutch read the 4 commands you need to do.