Brigandine on an armor tert 02/03/2014 07:23 PM CST
Has anyone had good luck with this stuff? Plate is in a bit of limbo atm and I can't wear it very successfully. I trained LP up before the change so I have about 500 ranks of brig.

Are the heavier brigandine sets wearable as a tert? What sort of metal should I get it forged from?

Any information is appreciated.
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Re: Brigandine on an armor tert 02/04/2014 05:17 AM CST
I'd start with Ora-Steel of the light template and move up till you hit the point where the hinderance seems to be a problem. Steel armor isn't terribly expensive and you might have some luck finding a smith to work with you on trading pieces in and out.

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Re: Brigandine on an armor tert 02/04/2014 08:08 AM CST
>> Steel armor isn't terribly expensive and you might have some luck finding a smith to work with you on trading pieces in and out.<<

I have a steel-alloy formula you might like. Normally in Shard Forge Society till I can make fluted plate out of Damite!

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Re: Brigandine on an armor tert 02/04/2014 08:16 AM CST
>>Normally in Shard Forge Society till I can make fluted plate out of Damite!

Oh man I wanna see that. Heck, I'm curious to see that in plat-Lumium or even weighted steel. Be a long while before I get there, I just don't forge enough.

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Re: Brigandine on an armor tert 02/04/2014 08:22 AM CST
>>Oh man I wanna see that. Heck, I'm curious to see that in plat-Lumium or even weighted steel. Be a long while before I get there, I just don't forge enough.<<

You will it is inevitable! Your a Paladin! As soon as I can make it in HCS i'll let you know.

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Re: Brigandine on an armor tert 02/04/2014 11:56 AM CST
<<Has anyone had good luck with this stuff?>>

I have quite a bit of success with it. I used an HP/LP combination before 3.0 went live, and ended up cutting out the plate and just running with brigandine afterward (well, I still throw some plate greaves on sometimes for TDPs, but not when I actually want to defend effectively). Lamellar pieces made from weighted lumium (about 4.9 density) work quite well as far as obtainable materials are concerned. I've got some lighter pieces on the extremities, but overall I end up in the "somewhat hindered" range in all brigandine plus a small shield, which is pretty manageable. I haven't really experimented that much with different weights.

It's basically a matter of trading some of the protectiveness of plate for less hindrance. How heavy you should go depends on to what degree you want to make that exchange. I'd recommend giving it a try though.

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Re: Brigandine on an armor tert 02/04/2014 05:46 PM CST
>It's basically a matter of trading some of the protectiveness of plate for less hindrance. How heavy you should go depends on to what degree you want to make that exchange. I'd recommend giving it a try though.

This. I've trained plate and brig since I've first started to play my war mage years ago and its working really well for me so far. Although I did have to drop plate as my main armor, brig turned out to be a nice alternative for me. This is my armor setup when I PvP and stats of my armor which I think helps me out quite abit.

All of your armor:

an enameled lamellar helm embellished with tiny dragons
an enameled lamellar mask decorated with twining dragons
an enameled lamellar shirt adorned with a dragon
a shalswar-hide targe sealed with protective wax
some enameled lamellar gloves embellished with dragons
some enameled lamellar greaves adorned with dragons

All of my brig pieces have the same appraisal.

The lamellar shirt is brigandine armor.

The shirt looks like it offers protection for the following areas:

right arm
left arm
chest
abdomen
back

You feel certain that an enameled lamellar shirt adorned with a dragon appears to impose high maneuvering hindrance and high stealth hindrance, offering:
high protection and extreme damage absorption for puncture attacks.
high protection and extreme damage absorption for slice attacks.
high protection and extreme damage absorption for impact attacks.
moderate protection and very good damage absorption for fire attacks.
moderate protection and very good damage absorption for cold attacks.
fair protection and fair damage absorption for electrical attacks.

If you were only wearing an enameled lamellar shirt adorned with a dragon your maneuvering would be fairly hindered and your stealth would be somewhat hindered.
But considering all the armor and shields you are wearing or carrying, you are currently moderately hindered and your stealth is rather hindered.

You are certain that the lamellar shirt is highly protected against damage, and is practically in mint condition.

The lamellar shirt is made with metal.
The lamellar shirt is somewhat pliable.
You are certain that the lamellar shirt weighs exactly 350 stones.
You are certain that the lamellar shirt is worth exactly 270600 Dokoras.
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Re: Brigandine on an armor tert 02/05/2014 03:45 PM CST
I got a fairly light set of brig and found the hinderance to be too much with a full set on. Similar to plate if I forgo one of the accessories it becomes tenable but I think I'll be going with a heavier chain.

Thanks for all the info.
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Re: Brigandine on an armor tert 02/07/2014 02:07 PM CST
>>Normally in Shard Forge Society till I can make fluted plate out of Damite!

Ouch - 1600 ranks probably.

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Re: Brigandine on an armor tert 02/07/2014 09:19 PM CST
>>Ouch - 1600 ranks probably.<,

Being a career and a Paladin hopefully not that many. Hope to make it out of HCS or MCS at 900

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Re: Brigandine on an armor tert 02/07/2014 10:22 PM CST
> Being a career and a Paladin hopefully not that many. Hope to make it out of HCS or MCS at 900

No way. You don't start getting Tier 11 workorders until 1000 ranks, and fluted plate is Tier 12.

With 900 ranks, I can mastercraft Tier 10 at 49 workability; it'll be a while before I can do HCS. I don't have a career, but I do have a buff spell.
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Re: Brigandine on an armor tert 02/07/2014 10:28 PM CST
>>With 900 ranks, I can mastercraft Tier 10 at 49 workability; it'll be a while before I can do HCS. I don't have a career, but I do have a buff spell.<<

I can make them now but the are not MASTERFUL.

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Re: Brigandine on an armor tert 02/07/2014 11:04 PM CST
> I can make them now but the are not MASTERFUL.

Well sure, you can make anything; it's just a matter of what quality you get.

As a point of comparison, with 902 ranks + buff and using bronze, I make fluted plate with quality 10 (dismal).
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Re: Brigandine on an armor tert 02/08/2014 01:34 AM CST
>>As a point of comparison, with 902 ranks + buff and using bronze, I make fluted plate with quality 10 (dismal).<<

I also made dismal at 840 ranks.

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Re: Brigandine on an armor tert 02/08/2014 09:36 AM CST
>>I also made dismal at 840 ranks<<

However I did make masterful tier 11 Hauberk.

You deeply analyze the laminar hauberk and pore over its construction.
This appears to be a type of finished metal brigandine armor that is masterfully-crafted.
The hauberk is a very difficult piece to make.
It was made by someone with abilities close to your own skill.
About 100 volume of metal was used in this item's construction.

The laminar hauberk is brigandine armor.

The hauberk looks like it offers protection for the following areas:

right arm
left arm
right leg
left leg
chest
abdomen
back

You feel certain that a bronze laminar hauberk appears to impose great maneuvering hindrance and overwhelming stealth hindrance, offering:
good protection and great damage absorption for puncture attacks.
very good protection and great damage absorption for slice attacks.
high protection and great damage absorption for impact attacks.
moderate protection and very good damage absorption for fire attacks.
moderate protection and very good damage absorption for cold attacks.
fair protection and fair damage absorption for electrical attacks.

If you were only wearing a bronze laminar hauberk you could expect your maneuvering to be minimally hindered and your stealth to be moderately hindered.

You are certain that the laminar hauberk is a bit safeguarded against damage, and is in pristine condition.

The laminar hauberk is made with metal.
The laminar hauberk is somewhat pliable.
You are certain that the laminar hauberk weighs exactly 552 stones.
You are certain that the laminar hauberk is worth exactly 34376 Dokoras.

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Re: Brigandine on an armor tert 02/08/2014 01:12 PM CST
> However I did make masterful tier 11 Hauberk.

Careers give a bigger bonus than I expected. Using refined bronze, I'm right on the edge of mastercrafting tier 11; sometimes I get 99, sometimes I get 98. That means the career is making up for 63 ranks + buff (does anyone remember what the crafting buff cap is now?).
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Re: Brigandine on an armor tert 02/09/2014 10:00 AM CST
>That means the career is making up for 63 ranks + buff (does anyone remember what the crafting buff cap is now?).

Pretty sure crafting buffs are only 20 ranks right now and maybe 50 in 3.1?
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Re: Brigandine on an armor tert 02/10/2014 04:57 AM CST

3.0 is currently 50 ranks and in 3.1 I think Kodius said it will be 10%


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Re: Brigandine on an armor tert 02/10/2014 10:36 AM CST
>>However I did make masterful tier 11 Hauberk.

In Bronze though, 80 workability is hundreds of ranks off of 10 workability unfortunately.

I'm going to stick with 1600 ranks. To put it in perspective, and this is assuming that weaponsmithing is semi-close rank wise to armorsmithing difficulty. I just started being able to make tier 11 weapons masterful in high carbon steel (35 workability) somewhere between 1300-1350 ranks. That's with career and all techs possible. So maybe 1450 ranks to make a glaes tier 11 weapon.

I'm even wondering if 1750 ranks will be able to make a tier 12 item at 10 workability - some stuff may not even be possible. (probably have to have capped buff)


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Re: Brigandine on an armor tert 02/10/2014 10:44 AM CST
>>I'm even wondering if 1750 ranks will be able to make a tier 12 item at 10 workability - some stuff may not even be possible. (probably have to have capped buff)<<

Stranger things have happened but you maybe entirely correct. But my purple fire will aid me I'm sure!

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Re: Brigandine on an armor tert 02/10/2014 12:52 PM CST
>>Stranger things have happened but you maybe entirely correct. But my purple fire will aid me I'm sure!<<

just for reference I made one out of MCS
This appears to be a type of finished metal brigandine armor that is of exceptional quality.
The hauberk is a very difficult piece to make.
It was made by someone with abilities close to your own skill.
About 100 volume of metal was used in this item's construction.

The laminar hauberk is brigandine armor.

The hauberk looks like it offers protection for the following areas:

right arm
left arm
right leg
left leg
chest
abdomen
back

You feel certain that a steel laminar hauberk appears to impose great maneuvering hindrance and overwhelming stealth hindrance, offering:
good protection and great damage absorption for puncture attacks.
very good protection and great damage absorption for slice attacks.
high protection and great damage absorption for impact attacks.
moderate protection and moderate damage absorption for fire attacks.
fair protection and moderate damage absorption for cold attacks.
fair protection and somewhat fair damage absorption for electrical attacks.

If you were only wearing a steel laminar hauberk you could expect your maneuvering to be minimally hindered and your stealth to be moderately hindered.

You are certain that the laminar hauberk is appreciably susceptible to damage, and is in pristine condition.

The laminar hauberk is made with metal.
You are certain that the metal in the laminar hauberk has a quality of 99, placing it at 'extremely pure' on the official Trader's Scale.
You are certain that the metal in the laminar hauberk has a hardness of 85, placing it at 'very hard' on the official Trader's Scale.
You are certain that the metal in the laminar hauberk has a durability of 60, placing it at 'good durability' on the official Trader's Scale.
You are certain that the metal in the laminar hauberk has a workability of 50, placing it at 'of about average difficulty to work with' on the official Trader's Scale.
You are certain that the metal in the laminar hauberk has an electrical resistance of 30, placing it at 'a great conductor of electricity' on the official Trader's Scale.
You are certain that the metal in the laminar hauberk has a thermal resistance of 50, placing it at 'good at transferring heat and cold' on the official Trader's Scale.
You are certain that the metal in the laminar hauberk has a physical resistance of 85, placing it at 'exceptionally good at repelling physical blows' on the official Trader's Scale.
The laminar hauberk is somewhat pliable.
You are certain that the laminar hauberk weighs exactly 500 stones.
You are certain that the laminar hauberk is worth exactly 34952 Dokoras.

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