best forged hp 08/18/2011 09:18 AM CDT
Hi Guys,

What's the app of the heaviest forged HP? Damite cut with platinum for whatever template is most protective?

Thanks. Just curious.
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Re: best forged hp 08/18/2011 09:22 AM CDT


is it the same as that damite full plate with gold leaf that was posted?
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Re: best forged hp 08/18/2011 10:18 AM CDT
I don't think anyone has had enough damite to try it, but i'd suspect that app of the quest one is pure damite app not weighted at all. So weighted damite would probably be another level of protection higher.
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Re: best forged hp 08/18/2011 10:18 AM CDT
I don't think anyone has had enough damite to try it, but i'd suspect that app of the quest one is pure damite app not weighted at all. So weighted damite would probably be another level of protection higher.
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Re: best forged hp 08/18/2011 10:35 AM CDT
Slight tangent, but I've been seeking someone with the skill/techs to craft some heavy full plate from HC steel and another from maybe lumium, but am unable to find someone even capable of doing so masterfully in Prime. Please be in touch with me if you're able to do this :)

- Starlear -
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Re: best forged hp 08/18/2011 11:36 AM CDT
It takes a lot of skill. Not that my mech lore is horribly high (~350 ranks), but with torso armor tech, and a capped prediction was able to make a lumium light cuirass only at outstanding quality. Helms and gauntlets are definitely doable, and given my experience with other armors, going with either field plate + vambraces, or half plate + greaves is likely 100+ ranks easier to make.

~Kraggur
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Re: best forged hp 08/18/2011 11:51 AM CDT
<<is it the same as that damite full plate with gold leaf that was posted?>>

That's extremely unlikely. Real damite would be much worse against fire and cold, but much better against eletrical damage. The physicals might be about right, though...I have yet to actually find any damite anywhere myself, so I couldn't say for sure. I'm still holding off on heavier stuff for myself until after the combat rewrite anyway...I'm going to wait and see if it's worth the hindrance.

Thanks,
-Life Sustainer Karthor
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Re: best forged hp 08/18/2011 12:11 PM CDT

active armor smithing in TF so I can nag worril into mining and making some so I can satisfy my curiosity.

Please and Thank you.
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Re: best forged hp 08/18/2011 12:13 PM CDT
>>That's extremely unlikely. Real damite would be much worse against fire and cold, but much better against eletrical damage.

The damite armor from the quest is real damite.

I would chalk up the armor having poor electrical damage protection and good fire/ice protection to the armor template just being really bad at taking advantage of the electric stat and really good at taking advantage of the fire stat.
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Re: best forged hp 08/18/2011 12:28 PM CDT


how's it look with DA, PB?
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Re: best forged hp 08/18/2011 12:40 PM CDT
Can you reclaim the damite from that armor?

Madigan
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Re: best forged hp 08/18/2011 01:02 PM CDT
>>how's it look with DA, PB?

No idea. I don't have it, sadly!

>>Can you reclaim the damite from that armor?

If it apps like a forged item (and it does from what I've seen), you should be able to reclaim it.
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Re: best forged hp 08/18/2011 01:05 PM CDT
I haven't had a chance to see the damite plate, but the weapons from kanton's can't be, so i'd think that ican't be reclaimed either.
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Re: best forged hp 08/18/2011 01:57 PM CDT
The appraisal of the gnome quest damite armor, with DA on it:

You feel certain that some damite full plate embellished with gold leaf around the edges appears to impose overwhelming maneuvering hindrance and insane stealth hindrance, offering:
extreme protection and amazing damage absorption for puncture attacks.
exceptional protection and amazing damage absorption for slice attacks.
very great protection and amazing damage absorption for impact attacks.
extreme protection and amazing damage absorption for fire attacks.
extreme protection and amazing damage absorption for cold attacks.
good protection and very good damage absorption for electrical attacks.


Player of Arturik
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Re: best forged hp 08/18/2011 02:08 PM CDT
Thanks Arturik. Do any performance tests?

I.e. 20 shots from a friendly archer wearing it vs. 20 shots wearing normal dirge massive plate?

I bet I wouldn't be the only one entertained by a post of results from something like that.
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Re: best forged hp 08/18/2011 02:23 PM CDT
For comparison purposes, I made some heavy weighted damite heavy plate gauntlets:

The heavy plate gauntlets are heavy plate.

The gauntlets look like they offer protection for the following areas:

right hand
left hand

You feel certain that some damite heavy plate gauntlets appear to
impose fair maneuvering hindrance and light stealth hindrance,
offering:
great protection and incredible damage absorption for puncture attacks.
very great protection and incredible damage absorption for slice attacks.
very high protection and incredible damage absorption for impact attacks.
moderate protection and moderate damage absorption for fire attacks.
moderate protection and moderate damage absorption for cold attacks.
very high protection and exceptional damage absorption for electrical attacks.

You are certain that the heavy plate gauntlets are unusually resilient
to damage, and are in pristine condition.

The heavy plate gauntlets are made with metal.
You are certain that the heavy plate gauntlets weighs about 141
stones.
You are certain that the heavy plate gauntlets are worth exactly
400830 lirums.
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Re: best forged hp 08/18/2011 03:40 PM CDT
@Starlear

While I'm not in Prime, and a blacksmith, not an armorsmith... allow me to suggest my own mix creation for armor, Illumium.

The stats on the alloy is 70 hard, 51 durability, 29 workability(nearly twice that of lumium), 47 electric, 72 thermal, and 88 physical(a 2 point drop from both lumium and histeel)
It comes with a density at 3.2

The concept behind this was to create a version of histeel that would allow tempering to have full effect by getting the durability of it above 50, with a minimum loss of physical, since that was where armor got its potency.

The secondary benefit is you give up 2 physical for double the workability of lumium, all while nearly doubling the amount you can stretch your lumium supply

The mix is made 3:1:1 Lumium, Covellite, HC Steel

LC chain gloves app to follow

The gloves look like they offer protection for the following areas:

right hand
left hand

You feel certain that some lumium-alloy chain gloves appear to impose trivial (2/15) maneuvering hindrance and insignificant (1/15) stealth hindrance, offering:
good (5/16) protection and very high (10/18) damage absorption for puncture attacks.
good (5/16) protection and very high (10/18) damage absorption for slice attacks.
good (5/16) protection and very high (10/18) damage absorption for impact attacks.
good (5/16) protection and very good (8/18) damage absorption for fire attacks.
good (5/16) protection and very good (8/18) damage absorption for cold attacks.
low (2/16) protection and fair (5/18) damage absorption for electrical attacks.

If you were only wearing some lumium-alloy chain gloves your maneuvering would be insignificantly hindered and your stealth would be minimally hindered.
But considering all the armor and shields you are wearing or carrying, you are currently lightly hindered and your stealth is somewhat hindered.

Hope it helps.

Illimin
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Re: best forged hp 08/18/2011 04:00 PM CDT
>>Hope it helps.

That's pretty good, but I think you would get a better weight-to-protection ratio with a 66%/33% mixture instead. Allow me to suggest a new mixture. I call it Malkienium.

A damite sense of of morbid humor is heavy plate armor.

You are certain it provides:
very good (-3/17) protection from insults and outstanding (16/17) absorption from insults
uncanny (X-men/17) protection from internet trolls and outstanding (16/17) absorption from internet trolls
amazing (Spider-Man/17) protection from board monitors and outstanding (16/17) absorption from board monitors.
A damite sense of morbid humor does not protect against fire, ice, or electricity, as intangible personality nuances do not conduct a current.

A damite sense of morbid humor is metal.
You are certain that a damite sense of morbid humor weighs exactly the burden of dying alone and unloved.
A damite sense of morbid humor is worthless.
Roundtime: Time is Relative
*******
Malkien
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Re: best forged hp 08/18/2011 04:14 PM CDT
I do love the sarcasm. :P

honestly, I'm well aware of the normal way of lightening or weighting a metal with oravir or lead/platinum/gold. This was my suggestion for those who were having trouble crafting pure lumium things, because the actual protection difference is minimal, and the increase in workability is significant.

Illimin
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Re: best forged hp 08/18/2011 07:14 PM CDT
My problem isn't that lumium is too hard to work with, it's that I can't find anyone who can even make it successfully from steel.

- Starlear -
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Re: best forged hp 08/18/2011 07:17 PM CDT
Yeah i'd estimate that a lumium heavy full plate would probably take like 1100-1200 mech with techs and career.
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Re: best forged hp 08/19/2011 03:45 PM CDT
>The concept behind this was to create a version of histeel that would allow tempering to have full effect by getting the durability of it above 50

I thought it was workability that affected tempering results? Now where's the post...

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Re: best forged hp 08/19/2011 04:25 PM CDT
I think workability is the ability to temper, but durability effects the impacts of tempering?
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Re: best forged hp 08/19/2011 04:42 PM CDT
>I think workability is the ability to temper, but durability effects the impacts of tempering?

Workability is how hard it is to temper, durability determines how much benefit you get.

http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/Post:Tempering_Nerfed%3F_-_07/16/2011_-_20:41



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Re: best forged hp 08/19/2011 04:56 PM CDT
Workability is also how hard it is to craft with.

Illimin
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Re: best forged hp 08/21/2011 06:49 AM CDT
Ok now I'm even more confused.

> For metals with a flexibility of 50 and above ~GM

I'm not seeing a flexibility app in any of my ingots. Was that clarified in a later post I can't find?

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Re: best forged hp 08/21/2011 11:43 AM CDT
>I'm not seeing a flexibility app in any of my ingots. Was that clarified in a later post I can't find?

He meant Durability.



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Re: best forged hp 08/21/2011 11:15 PM CDT
I would've thought that meant workability

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Re: best forged hp 08/27/2011 09:05 AM CDT
>I would've thought that meant workability

Exactly what I thought too. Was there a clarification post?

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