Hi im new to pikes and i cannot seem to find a good fighting comination for a spear. i always end up at the wrong end of the balance scale. any help is apprieciated
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LORD-RAHL
Re: spear combinations
11/07/2009 06:57 AM CST
Generally speaking spears are just a poor weapon right now - however if you just spam attack you might learn a decent combo watching what it does (if not the best).
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Dartenian says, "The thing that makes Dragon Dance king is that it pretty much bonuses every single that can possibly be buffed for combat. Including at least two things that don't even exist."
JIHAN
Re: spear combinations
11/07/2009 07:05 AM CST
I only have 147 ranks, so bear that in mind. But, pike is one of my three main weapons, and I enjoy using it. I went with the golden-tipped lance from Steel Claw Clan down near Shard because I also wanted to train Heavy Thrown. My attack routine is DODGE - THRUST - FEINT - LUNGE. It starts out rough on the balance but by the time you feint you're good to go.
The slightly longer but more balance-friendly one I've had in the past was:
Dodge Sweep Thrust Feint Lunge
But I didn't like the penalty sweep was giving me so I left it out.
Hope that helps some.
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The slightly longer but more balance-friendly one I've had in the past was:
Dodge Sweep Thrust Feint Lunge
But I didn't like the penalty sweep was giving me so I left it out.
Hope that helps some.
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GABRIELBLACK
Re: spear combinations
11/07/2009 09:00 AM CST
If you are honestly going for pure pike ranks, and are not planning to parry, get something lighter. I've been using mod puncture for awhile and its been great. With pike seeming to take so long to lock, having the faster weapon has somewhat made up for it by giving me just a few more strikes. Getting a larger, heavier spear is not needed until you have ranks and stats to really back it up. When you notice no change in RT between the two, thats when. Until that time keep it light.
Also watch what you hunt as some critters are more resistant to puncture then others. Generally speaking a THRUST or LUNGE is always going to put your balance off by a bit, hence I normally put those at the end of my combo and follow with DODGE or brawling moves. I also make use of the SLAM command which also tends to put the balance off, but since you're using the weapon it does teach a bit.
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Also watch what you hunt as some critters are more resistant to puncture then others. Generally speaking a THRUST or LUNGE is always going to put your balance off by a bit, hence I normally put those at the end of my combo and follow with DODGE or brawling moves. I also make use of the SLAM command which also tends to put the balance off, but since you're using the weapon it does teach a bit.
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JMF90
Re: spear combinations
11/07/2009 05:37 PM CST
The default attack combo is jab/sweep/thrust is balance-positive and focuses on puncture damage.
Alternately, I like using sweep/thrust/draw. It's barely balance positive, but every attack is a real attack and not something you just do for balance. As long as you aren't overhunting, you'll start connecting and hit incredibly balanced after a few rotations. And you'll actually real damage.
I'm not a fan of a combo that includes lunge because of the RT on top of the defensive hit.
Alternately, I like using sweep/thrust/draw. It's barely balance positive, but every attack is a real attack and not something you just do for balance. As long as you aren't overhunting, you'll start connecting and hit incredibly balanced after a few rotations. And you'll actually real damage.
I'm not a fan of a combo that includes lunge because of the RT on top of the defensive hit.
ALVESN50
Re: spear combinations
11/07/2009 05:51 PM CST
Does FEINT LUNGE carry the same defensive penalty as FEINT? LUNGE? Or somewhere in between?
YAMCER
Re: spear combinations
11/07/2009 08:02 PM CST
<<Does FEINT LUNGE carry the same defensive penalty as FEINT? LUNGE? Or somewhere in between?>>
FEINT + (move) should have the same defense penalty and offense factor as FEINT.
Yamcer
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FEINT + (move) should have the same defense penalty and offense factor as FEINT.
Yamcer
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JIHAN
Re: spear combinations
11/07/2009 11:03 PM CST
>I'm not a fan of a combo that includes lunge because of the RT on top of the defensive hit.
I'm at max-RT anyway with the lance, so that's not a major concern. It's six seconds for everything except feint, and dodge of course.
I left SWEEP out of the chain because the defensive penalties to that were too steep, I kept getting hit before the next move. And throwing FEINT in before that, too, was painful. So I just dropped it and now by the time I get to FEINT I am well balanced. Kills quick, I stay balanced, and my most powerful offensive move (LUNGE) is buffered by the FEINT so I don't get hammered too badly.
SWEEP is still killing me with HB. I need to figure out a workaround for that. But with DODGE THRUST FEINT LUNGE in Pike it's all good. For me, anyway.
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I'm at max-RT anyway with the lance, so that's not a major concern. It's six seconds for everything except feint, and dodge of course.
I left SWEEP out of the chain because the defensive penalties to that were too steep, I kept getting hit before the next move. And throwing FEINT in before that, too, was painful. So I just dropped it and now by the time I get to FEINT I am well balanced. Kills quick, I stay balanced, and my most powerful offensive move (LUNGE) is buffered by the FEINT so I don't get hammered too badly.
SWEEP is still killing me with HB. I need to figure out a workaround for that. But with DODGE THRUST FEINT LUNGE in Pike it's all good. For me, anyway.
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JMF90
Re: spear combinations
11/08/2009 12:01 AM CST
>my most powerful offensive move (LUNGE) is buffered by the FEINT
Uh, I don't think it works like that. The defensive penalty is based off of your last move. Good balance will help, but... yeah.
Uh, I don't think it works like that. The defensive penalty is based off of your last move. Good balance will help, but... yeah.
JIHAN
Re: spear combinations
11/08/2009 06:35 AM CST
That was one of those changes that took place while I was gone, but didn't Dartenian make it so that any time you FEINT, the next offensive move gets the penalties of FEINT instead of its regular ones?
It was referenced as an aside in another later post, that's the only reason I saw it at all, and I might have misread the casual aside, but that's how I took it. Would love some confirmation one way or another from someone who remembers.
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It was referenced as an aside in another later post, that's the only reason I saw it at all, and I might have misread the casual aside, but that's how I took it. Would love some confirmation one way or another from someone who remembers.
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GRIM45
Re: spear combinations
11/08/2009 06:37 AM CST
Sounds more like the FEINT+X combo, and you misunderstood what was being said.
IE:
>feint chop
>feint slice
etc.
TG, TG, GL, et al.
Also: Moo.
IE:
>feint chop
>feint slice
etc.
TG, TG, GL, et al.
Also: Moo.
JIHAN
Re: spear combinations
11/08/2009 06:39 AM CST
Ah, so it's not FEINT then LUNGE it's an actual FEINT LUNGE as one whole command? Neat! Thanks for the correction.
It'd sure be nice if all the red posts were archived somewhere, comments and announcements both, to check that kind of thing. And a magic pony, too.
Luckily, so far, for whatever reason, LUNGE hasn't hurt me near as bad as SWEEP, but maybe it's more psychological. I'm hooked now, though.
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It'd sure be nice if all the red posts were archived somewhere, comments and announcements both, to check that kind of thing. And a magic pony, too.
Luckily, so far, for whatever reason, LUNGE hasn't hurt me near as bad as SWEEP, but maybe it's more psychological. I'm hooked now, though.
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JMF90
Re: spear combinations
11/08/2009 10:50 AM CST
Well, you get more bang for the defensive hit with lunge with a pike weapon. I just don't like the RT.
MARTINCOTY77
Re: spear combinations
11/09/2009 05:56 AM CST
If you can handle the defensive penalty of lunge, use this for max damage.
jab thrust lunge repeat (no dodge needed)
As long as your not whiffing you will stay at incredibly balanced and do great damage.
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jab thrust lunge repeat (no dodge needed)
As long as your not whiffing you will stay at incredibly balanced and do great damage.
Vote DR as TOP MUD: http://www.topmudsites.com/vote-cemm.html
RAIST
Re: spear combinations
11/18/2009 05:20 PM CST
>It'd sure be nice if all the red posts were archived somewhere, comments and announcements both, to check that kind of thing.
I do what I can on elanthipedia, and several people help.
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I do what I can on elanthipedia, and several people help.
Magic's Death Caraamon Makdasi,
Gor'Tog Barbarian
Hunta Talna Kortok, built by Gor'Togs, for Gor'Togs
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg2/caraamon/home.html
Blunts for Sale:
http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/User:Caraamon#Wares
IDONS-BUDDY
Re: spear combinations
11/18/2009 05:21 PM CST
Is Elanthipedia backed up anywhere?
Preferably multiple places?
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Preferably multiple places?
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MOOK1
Re: spear combinations
11/18/2009 05:27 PM CST
<<Is Elanthipedia backed up anywhere?
<<Preferably multiple places?
I would assume (hope) its on a RAID as well.
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<<Preferably multiple places?
I would assume (hope) its on a RAID as well.
-Evran
Crackling with unspent rage since 386A.V.
RAIST
Re: spear combinations
11/18/2009 05:44 PM CST
I believe it's on a pay to host server, so I believe so.
Then again, I'm just a moderator monkey, the great Naeya handles the hardware and hosting stuff.
Magic's Death Caraamon Makdasi,
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Hunta Talna Kortok, built by Gor'Togs, for Gor'Togs
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Blunts for Sale:
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Then again, I'm just a moderator monkey, the great Naeya handles the hardware and hosting stuff.
Magic's Death Caraamon Makdasi,
Gor'Tog Barbarian
Hunta Talna Kortok, built by Gor'Togs, for Gor'Togs
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg2/caraamon/home.html
Blunts for Sale:
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ROBERTDH
Re: spear combinations
11/18/2009 09:11 PM CST
>Is Elanthipedia backed up anywhere?
>Preferably multiple places?
I'm sure in the event of a catastrophy, it could be reconstructed Fahrenheit 451-style.
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>Preferably multiple places?
I'm sure in the event of a catastrophy, it could be reconstructed Fahrenheit 451-style.
"...I am inclined to think the focus of the [Warmage's] spellbook should be ways to make things explode, to help you make things explode, or to assist your victim in exploding." -Armifer
MARTINCOTY77
Re: spear combinations
11/19/2009 06:21 AM CST
If it goes splat, Caraamon can re-add everything.
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RAIST
Re: spear combinations
11/19/2009 01:42 PM CST
>If it goes splat, Caraamon can re-add everything.
Hate. HATE! At yooooou!
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Blunts for Sale:
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Hate. HATE! At yooooou!
Magic's Death Caraamon Makdasi,
Gor'Tog Barbarian
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http://www.angelfire.com/rpg2/caraamon/home.html
Blunts for Sale:
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